Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

My impression is that you mistake caution for respect:

ft.com/content/c5e376f9-7351-40d3-b058-1873b2ef1924

"We have prepared our society, and have been training for this situation ever since the second world war," says Tytti Tuppurainen, Finland's EU minister. After spending eight decades living first in the shadow of the Soviet Union and now Russia, the threat of war in Europe "has not hit us as a surprise".

"During the Cold War, Finland's location forced it to accept neutrality to keep the Soviet Union at bay, but after joining the EU in 1995 and drawing closer to Nato over the past decades, there is a growing sense in Helsinki that membership of the military alliance would cement its status as an independent, western country."

"Some say we have fought 32 wars against Russia, others 42," says Lindberg, the former chief of defence. "All I know is that Russia will always be there, and we know we will be ready."

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I've got to say that I'm in awe of how the Finns prepared their society and country for war. Poland should learn from them.


I see you can't stop yourself from showing your ugly misogynist face even in a thread like this.


What is over? The war isn't over yet.

Russia did have some success though - three schools in Chortkiv, hundreds of kilometres from the frontlines (Ternopil Oblast), were damaged as a result of missile strike...



... of course I don't have to tell you that those schools were secret barracks of Azov battalion.

In these schools, they were taught in Ukrainian, therefore they have become a military target.

Ukraine are doing pretty well. russia will lose. Interesting that Jim is on the side of Micron and Scholz.


Good that Thatcher relied on facts 30 years ago in Port Stanley...

Russia has threatened a Nuclear Hit on Poland and the rest of Europe if Ukraine is given Nuclear weapons.
Now what ?



Deal with the facts and not your emotions. ;-)

@johnny reb, I've been dealing with the facts since the beginning of this invasion better than some men on this thread. So stop trolling and baiting and focus on the topic of this thread.


I am capable of dealing with both.


There's a new report by Amnesty International concerning Kharkiv too:

amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/06/ukraine-hundreds-killed-in-relentless-russian-shelling-of-kharkiv-new-investigation/

"A new report, 'Anyone can die at any time': Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine, documents how Russian forces have caused widespread death and destruction by relentlessly bombarding residential neighbourhoods of Kharkiv since their invasion began in late February.

During an extensive investigation, Amnesty International found evidence of Russian forces repeatedly using 9N210/9N235 cluster munitions as well as scatterable mines, both of which are subject to international treaty bans because of their indiscriminate effects."

""People have been killed in their homes and in the streets, in playgrounds and in cemeteries, while queueing for humanitarian aid, or shopping for food and medicine."

Russia has been threatening nuclear strikes for so long that it became boring. I think a lot of people at this point don't give a f*ck anymore. Nuclear war is way better than dealing with constant threats and watching retarded muscle flexing. Bring it on! :)

Yes. When you think of it - what do most people in Poland have to lose? Boring 9 to 5 jobs, used German cars, future pensions of around 30% of current wages and a national football team that is constantly embarassing themselves. F*ck it. Let's have this war already, atomic or not.


Exactly. Take a look at the frontlines on the map I posted - practically frozen in the last couple of weeks. Where's the Russian victory?

There's no plan to supply nukes to Ukraine.

Good thinking.
By the way I undersand why Russia did what they did. I just wonder if Russians that post here undersand it and just don't want to tell us. You know as if that was some big secret or they are clueless.

If they are cluess I don't see a reason to talk with them. You might as well watch Russian TV.

Well, I don't. What's your theory?

No, thanks...

And who's relying on their emotions here... :P


Yeah, why don't you enlighten us, Cojestdocholery...

You support bombing and killing of all Ukrainians including civlians. do you what to tell us you worry about some Ukrainian mothers?lol!
Try again and stop spreading your deperate proganda in hope that Ukrianins will stop fighting as your Russia is running out of soldiers and bombs.


I question that but I can give you that you can deal better with your emotions than johnny reb. He and his mood swings, mental heath care is poor in the USA.

It's not emotions, it's a blessed state of not-giving-a-f*ck-anymore :)

Why do I have to work hard, have a sh*tty pension when I retire and watch Poland lose 1-6 to feckin Belgium and meanwhile Russian oligarchs are buying another yacht and sh*tting on a golden toilet? Let's have this nuclear doomsday already and start all over again in a, perhaps, fairer world. Worth giving a try imo.

To confirm and esure that they a major (the only) player in the eastern Europe and the only partner for Germany and France.( all Europe). To keep status as a major world power.

They didn't expect Ukrainie to put up much fight.(nobody did to be honest)


No, For Russians respect means fear.

They just seem like cornered animals now lashing out randomly at anything they can strike...

Emotionally balanced people usually do give a f*ck whether their country will experience war or not. I don't know about you, but I still have some stuff to do in life and to experience and I don't want my country to get destroyed.


No, it isn't.

Russia has responded to Western assistance by threatening action, and nuclear strikes, if the West continues to aid Ukraine.
Poland's President has voiced concern that using his country in such a way could open them up to attack.
A build up of Russian troops have also been spotted along Belarus' border with Poland.


You started it Toots with this condescending trolling post, SEE !


So can it Love !


I have to agree and have already posted that months ago here.
I have been threatened with Russian nukes since the 60's by Nikita and bullies.
We think alike G, bring it f-ing on.

"Poland's President has voiced concern that using his country in such a way could open them up to attack."

again another sign poland needs to ask for permission for everything to usa or is just a pawn.

Paulina wrote "I don't know about you, but I still have some stuff to do in life and to experience and I don't want my country to get destroyed."

You know what I still havent experienced and want out of life Paulina dont you?

If the West continues consistently with the sanctions in the long run, Russia's status will be one of a Chinese puppet state.


Yip. After two weeks (three at most) they should have realised the plan didn't work, Putin should have a "heart attack" and the new team should make peace and start quiet, vindictive preparations for another war in the future. :) The fact that it didn't happen, and they stubbornly refuse to admit defeat is puzzling though. There is probably something going on behind the scenes that we don't know of.


That's why Russians have leverage over you. They feed on your fear like vampires. If you give them fear and respect, you satisfy their sick need for a while but make no mistake - they will be back for more. F*ck 'em. Forget the fear. If war is the God's will, then let's have the war.


*thumbs up*

Spot on G !
Let us never negotiate out of fear.
But let us never fear to negotiate.
John F. Kennedy

The majority of Poles are prepared to fight Russia. More Poles than ever are buying weapons, getting training, and preparing for things to happen than most outside of Poland would not believe. Even the PM said the other day that if Russia attacks they will meet 40 million Poles ready to fight, and though that's not completely accurate, I would bet more than a few million men would go fight, and Russia could never fight that fight.

Nukes on the EU? From Russia never. Putin knows that would be all out war with NATO and likely MAD. Tactical nuke in Ukraine? Entirely possible and he could get away with it IMO. But the price to pay to get away with it would mean decades of sanctions, and more Ukraine land that would be nuclear and unable to be inhabited like Chernobyl.

Its going to be a long war. The longer it goes, the worse for Ukraine for sure, but Russia will have more losses and once winter comes, it will be much harder for them to maintain anything.

No, you did.


Link?


I'm not afraid of standing up to Russia. I'm not even afraid of dying that much. But I don't have a death wish either. In such a situation it's important to keep our heads cool and retain some common sense. Because what if the other side doesn't give a f*ck to even greater extent than you do? It's easy to start a war. Finishing it usually is much harder.

Without US support Ukraine would be finished. Even with it they're still losing territory and troops, albeit much slower than if they didn't have western aid.

Like I said, Ukraine "winning" is relative. To me, Ukraine winning would be reclaiming all the territory they lost and pushing Russians back to the border. Everyone knows that's not going to happen.

Thus, the only way Ukraine can still "win" is basically by saving face and continue to exist as a rump state with half their pre-war economy and 20%+ less territory, but at least one that still has sovereignty, kind of like Georgia when Russia intervened in 2008. Although that can be debated too since NATO is going to keep using Ukraine as a buffer against Russia, and vice versa for the eastern parts.

Eiter way, it's time to end this. Ukraine would need 7 billion a month just to stay afloat. People aren't happy that all this money is going overseas for what's being finally revealed in the media as a lost cause. That and Americans have a short attention span - one or two incidents and the outrage machine will move onto something else. In a way they already did with the whole school shootings and gun control thing.

Yes he could and let me quote:
The West could provide Ukraine with nuclear weapons to help defend itself against Russia, Radoslaw Sikorski, a member of the European Parliament and former Polish foreign minister, said.

"The West has the right to give Ukraine nuclear warheads so that it could protect its independence," Sikorski told Ukraine's Espreso TV on Saturday.

rt.com/news/557040-west-ukraine-nuclear-weapons/

That is hardly possible, Paulina. Take the least important matter in the world and the most not-f*ck-giving person you can imagine - he is still giving an enormous f*ck about the matter compared to my complete and utter not-f*ck-giving about the nuclear war with Russia. So there.

@GefreiterKania, well, I doubt majority of Poles share your feelings in this regard and I think Putin realises that. I don't think that the Russian society wants to commit a mass suicide either...

We could, in such case, conclude that nuclear war is a rather distant possibility and therefore the best attitude to assume is one of not giving a f*ck about it? :)

@GefreiterKania, in this sense I don't give a f*ck about it either (since it's rather unlikely to happen) :P ;)

@Paulina I knew from the very beginning that we are of the same opinion on this one. ;)

Much As the Soviet Union without US support during the WWII.


Everyone knows that Americans are fat, dumb and stupid. You should have said that everyone you know think that, it doesn;t really means much.


All the rest of your rumblings fells like a house of cards.