Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that a peace deal with Russia will include Ukraine ceding territory if they want peace. It was only a matter of time before a high level person at NATO said it.

"Peace is possible... but it depends on how much one is willing to pay for it, how much territory and sovereignty one is willing to give up"

Doesn't look too good for Ukraine when the NATO Sec. General is talking about giving up territory for peace. Of course, Zydensky wants to fight till the last man with the west footing the bill for equipment. How typical of a tiny hat tribe member...


Just as everyone knows Ukraine has absolutely no chance of recapturing the territory they lost to Russia. That's going to be just one of their many problems in the future as they deal with an economy worth half of what it was last year, a dog **** currency, and some $600 bil in infrastructure damage that even the IMF isn't going to want to loan money for.

And yet Zydensky is on his knees begging us fat, dumb and stupid Americans to save his ass because the USA is literally Ukraine's only hope. And that's growing dimmer by the day as Russia takes more territory, western countries getting weary of all this aid and equipment (their own stocks of artillery are now low!) for a lost cause and now they're telling Ukraine to sue for peace even if it means giving up territory.


Like the Ukrainian army? Mariupol? Severodonetsk?

Poland could get sucked into this war very easily.
That is why the United States of America (NATO) has beefed up Poland's border like it is our own.
I wonder what the true number of American troops are in Poland training Ukranian military as no one knows for sure but it is many more than being reported.


No, you always take things personally that were not even intended for you personally,
Was YOUR name mentioned at all ? No !
Get a grip, Love.

Peace in our time!

Reward a military aggressor by giving it land..... what could possibly go wrong??!?!?!?!

Russia would never ever attack Poland, it's not like they talk about it frequently on Russia state TV or anything.... oh....

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1535803994831994880

If Putin were to attack Poland you'd sit in Chicago and start complaining about President Juda.....

Link? (to a credible source)


When you make prejudiced comments about "women", it means you're making those comments also about me, because... I'm a woman, "genius". Don't use this thread to make unprovoked jabs at women and I won't react then. I think that's pretty simple and straightforward.

Not that easily, and given that it is a member of NATO, involving Poland in combat would be one of the worst mistakes that russia ever made.


they ever made.
He didn't say anything of the sort and you know it.

Even your quote doesn't suggest that.


Grow up loser.

evidence- self admission found ,video shows Shaun Pinner admitting ,he been traveling to confflict zones and getting paid for hes military service.
as the other brit aslin ,who also came to ukraine straight from syria.
typical US mercenaries.
twitter.com/NTY57NTY/status/1536296537445261312
and were told he was serving as regular Marine in the 36th Brigade
no .he admitted he was with azov

You took one sentence out of context. Regarding the war ending at the negotiating table and the possibility of ceding territory, he then said:

'It's for those who are paying the highest price to make that judgement. Our responsibility is to support them.'

'This is also not only about territorial integrity, but it's also about believing in a free, democratic society. And that's what the Ukrainians are fighting for today.'

Here is the link to the full interview:

nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_196300.htm?selectedLocale=e


First of all, you great ignorant lump, they are British. You're not only ignorant but incredibly stupid if you believe what POWs say when they're being tortured. The UK is a relatively small place and these mens' stories are true and easily verifiable. They were legitimate members of the Ukrainian army.

Governor Vitaliy Kim called for more support from U.S. and European allies.
He also indicated that, at least in his region of Ukraine, forces are running low on ammunition.
"Russia's army is more powerful, they have a lot of artillery and ammo.
For now, this is a war of artillery... and we are out of ammo," Kim said.

first of all ,they us mercs cus they paid by us


you are incredibly stupid not to realize,this was filmed by Ukrainians before hes capture.and video was found in internet. you can see hes much younger. how many brain cells do you need to see and understand ,this is not video from captivity

No he didn't. He went back to the UK. It's all on official UK records because he faced potential charges for fighting in Syria.


Colonel Richard Kemp, who served in the same Royal Anglian Regiment as Pinner, said:

"Shaun Pinner is a hugely respected former soldier and everybody liked him when he served as a fellow soldier and friend. There is a huge strength of feeling within the regiment about this."

"Both of these men were serving in the Ukrainian Army and should be afforded the same fair and legal treatment as lawful combatants under the Geneva Convention."

"This is disgraceful and I utterly condemn it. Shaun is a soldier and should be treated as such. This decision is a war crime and contravenes the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war.'

""i travel around ,kill people and enjoy it,and i get paid for doing what i love" Shaun Pinner


you liar. he said himself he served in volunteer azov battalion,and was getting money for it.
hes own words.
you lies are being exposed one after another.
he was not married to ukra woman ,and didnt have ukra citizenship when he joined azov, same with aslin

Ok, I've watched the video. He does not say he's a member of Azov. He says the opportunity arose to TRAIN members of Azov. It's quite common for former soldiers from national armies to become instructors in foreign armies.

@smegy741
Why are you posting about Shaun Pinner?

no its not. he did not train them as US army instructor. but as private person,for money. and thats merc job description

I never said he had Ukrainian citizenship. That's Aslin.

I must say I find it extraordinary that you're so hot under the collar about two Brits fighting to defend a country that's been invaded with such savagery and barbarism by Russia. You're outraged by two Brits, but not in the least bit bothered by the actions of tens of thousands of marauding Russians.

So that was probably filmed after he joined the Ukrainian military. People join the military for difference reasons. In some countries being a soldier means having a decent, stable income - Russia included. That doesn't make anyone a "mercenary". If he's a member of the Ukrainian army then he isn't a mercenary, but a soldier no matter what were his reasons to sign up. And that means he's a POW and should be treated as such.


Even if he did say that (and according to Atch he didn't) the Azov battalion is part of the National Guard of Ukraine.


What you wrote about women wasn't a fact, but your prejudice. Also, whether "men rely on facts while women rely on their emotions", as you put it, has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. I'm the only woman who's contributing to this thread on regular basis. Sometimes Atch will write something and Lenka even less so. None of the women here is more emotional than men. Some men on here are even more emotional than us, including you. Neither Putin nor Zelensky are women. So your comment about women had nothing to do with the topic of this thread and was either an expression of your prejudice or a deliberate jab/provocation (or both).

Yes, it is. Loads of former military men at every level get paid jobs with foreign armies, as 'consultants'. That doesn't make them mercenaries. And it is a fact that Pinner has a three year contract as a serving Ukrainian soldier, which expires in a couple of months.

The Dude is fine... but PM zydeusz zydawiecki's beady eyes and fish lips are quite suspect.... definitely some taint in that gene pool... I preferred Szydlo.


Unfortunately, they won't and most Polish people realize this. A lot of it has to do with how Polish people perceive the "western betrayal" during WW2. But even more so now when you have a weak US president that's scared of Russia there's no way that USA would come rushing to Poland's aid.

Yeah yeah, article 5 - de facto and de jure are often two different things... Article 5 says "the members can take action they deem necssary" meaning they can do nothing if they want

At best, it'd be the same sitaution as Ukraine where they send equipment but no troops. The US troops in Poland would likely be evacuated.

NATO is actually doing two things to prevent escalation. (AKA keep the war in Ukraine) One is deterrence. As we do - and we'll also make new decisions at the Madrid summit to strengthen further our posture: investing more, more troops, more readiness. But the only thing we do, is that we don't move into Ukraine. (We'll protect ourselves, Ukraine gets the crumbs) And that's not an easy decision. In my conversations, my talks, with the Ukrainian leaders, including President Zelensky, it's not easy to tell them that we are not going to impose a no-fly zone. They asked for a no-fly zone, we said no. (Too risky, too scared of Russia) They wanted us to - and some Allies as well - there has been some proposals that we should move with creating a humanitarian corridor. We're not doing that. There have also been discussions about NATO reinforcing a naval corridor to get food out. To not do that, it's not easy, because it has a cost for the Ukrainians. But we . . . but the reason why we don't move in with NATO troops in Ukraine is to prevent escalation. (Again, scared of Russia)So we are always, since the beginning of this war, been very mindful about the need, the moral obligation, to support a country fighting for their freedom, for democracy, for their independence. But at the same time, preventing escalation by not being directly involved in the conflict. (Expect token support) Then the last question was about resilience?


It's either they give up a little or lose a lot more. Regardless of whether you support Ukraine or Russia, the fact is that Ukraine is losing more territory and has no chance of recovering the territories occupied by Russia. They either cede what they can or keep fiddling around and lose even more, that 20-25% will become 40-50% as like the Ukrainians admit - the Russians have far more troops and equipment, far more artillery - 10-15x as much, and they're just getting pounded, and to top it off now they're relying on civilians with no training from territorial defense to fill gaps in the Ukrainian army since they're losing hundreds everyday

and they are mercs by geneva conv,
if you decide at your initiative to sell your skills for money -its mercenary
its funny ,how you admitted hes merc role,but hes admission was supposedly acquired by torture now you trying to weasel it out of it/ lol

When I said that such admissions are generally acquired by torture, I hadn't watched the video - mea culpa. I can see it's several years old but that doesn't make him a mercenary.

In the video he states that he is training the Azov batallion - who as Paulina pointed out are part of the Ukrainian National Guard. But the bottom line is that Pinner has been a contracted member of the Ukrainian army for nearly three years, so he's not a mercenary.

theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/09/britons-sentenced-to-death-russian-occupied-ukraine-aiden-aslin-shaun-pinner

"Both Britons have said they were serving in the Ukrainian marines, making them active-duty soldiers who should be protected by the Geneva conventions on prisoners of war. However, Russian state media has portrayed them as mercenaries, and the court has convicted them on the charge of "being a mercenary"."

If they're were serving in the Ukrainian marines, that means they are soldiers, not mercenaries.


That's because gregy741 is a hypocrite.

woman ,i just started this topic ,cus video was found of him ADMITTING joining volunteer azov battalion and getting paid for it as a merc.and admitting hes been doing this merc job in other places.why you posting this stuff from guardian,he already admitted he was not serving in marine corp but in azov.

geeez another one didnt watch the video and commenting with stupid links

They were both in the marine corps with their units a matter of record. At least one was a Ukrainian citizen.


They weren't in that, however if they had been, it would make no difference since it is part of Ukraine's armed forces.

The big question, @smegy741, is why you keep mentioning them. They have been discussed before yet you keep bringing them up. Why?

@Dirk diggler
You are Fing delusional. NATO and the US are not scared of Russia. NATO is only trying to avoid a nuclear war. Thats not fear, thats smart. Putin has already said multiple times that Russia does not stand a chance against NATO publicly. Pull your head out of Putins @$$ and you might be able to see whats really going on.

After Berlin, Paris has fallen under the onslaught of ukrainian madness.

Although I must admit, it's not too bad for a little "steaming" of the eyes.

twitter.com/AufMessers/status/1531747692455804928

HAHAHA the fatty/chubby one is good, one boob to put in your mouth and the other to cover yourself with. But the only pity is that they are feminists so they would possibly accuse & sue you for rape.

But this one, AFTER watching the video, is telling you that the video has no relevance to the present situation because it's clearly several years old and for the last THREE YEARS Pinner has been a serving member of the Ukrainian army, as has Aslin - so they're not mercenaries and they are being illegally detained - and the people holding them are not even a legally recognised country.

guys are you retarded? am serious.
none of them have citizenship, and its irreverlant ,cus they joined as soon as they arrived into ukra.
bringing shoun pinner up,cus a new evidence appeared today . hes own admission of doing mercenary work and joining azov,as paid mercenary ""when opportunity arrived"

he did not join army as a citizen "connected" by "marriage" and citizenship to new homeland,but as a merc looking for work . in hes own words

twitter.com/NTY57NTY/status/1536296537445261312


how not relevant?
it proves,we were lied again,by western media. they were potrying them as some connected citizens who joined army after acquiring citizenship and getting married. its not the case

those scum been traveling around the world and getting paid for killing people.

@gregy741, baby boy, I've watched the video, but I'm not a Brit and I can't make out all of what he's saying.


But Atch said that he didn't, he just said that he trained them. So we don't know if he joined them or not. And even if he did join Azov, that would still make him a POW, because Azov battalion is part of the National Guard of Ukraine.

Also, as you wrote yourself, he looks younger in that video. So he could join the Ukrainian marines later, after that video was made. Another thing - this video is short. It could be just a fragment of a longer interview in which he was telling his whole story.


No, it isn't. And it wouldn't matter if it was a fact or not anyway - it would still be off topic, so cut it off already.


I don't have any problem with that :) I'm guessing you're projecting since, as you wrote, all you need is a cat lol And that personal attack of yours is off topic too, btw.

They never said they joined the army AFTER getting citizenship. Actually the unfortunate Moroccan guy who has also been sentenced to death HAS Ukrainian citizenship which he received in 2020 after a year of military training which he had to undergo for his studies. Aslin also got his Ukrainian citizenship AFTER three years of military service. Pinner is not a Ukrainian citizen but has a Ukrainian wife.

the very first question was "why you joined as paid volunteer "? hahaha you people fkin hell . like amoebas
then he was like. -because i like it and getting paid to do what i like.