Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

@Velund
Again if Russia had not invaded in 2014 it wouldnt be an issue. As for the 40 minute technique, Russia taught them well. Karma is a biatch. And the USA pay? By Russia? LMFAO

Yes we will Velund, whether it be by Russia, China or both, the U.S. will pay.
One electro magnetic bomb 50 miles above the U.S.A. would fry every transformer in the U.S.A. shutting down our entire electrical grid.

It would take at least ten years to fix that and ten years may be to late.
The smug, pompous, snobbish Americans are in for a very rude awakening when WW3 strikes U.S. soil.
People in the U.S. are clueless to the sufferings of war.

@johnny reb
China not going to bomb the US. US owes China too much money and represents its best customer for exports. Not going to happen. Russia? Maybe, but then it will be MAD and Russia will be turned to glass at the same time.

In your dreams. The US is an important country and Russia is not and never will be (until you get rid of your rotten Tsars and stealing and filthy military adventurism), Russia is simply an inferior country that tries to steal importance by invading other countries... it won't work.

@PolAm


That don't have to bomb us to destroy us.


Here's to hoping.


Yeah, so will we as they have more nuke's than we do.
And yes, they have stealth subs too that we have no idea where they are at.
PolAm, have you ever watched a big tuff arrogant loudmouth bully get into a fight with a littler guy and have the big snob get his ass kicked badly ?

@johnny reb
The US is too important to China, it simply isn't going to happen. The amount of nukes Russia has is only slightly larger than what the US has. The end of the world is the end of the world and 100 nukes one way or another is not going to make a difference between who wins or loses only how many survive and get radiation poisoning.

Yes, I have seen plenty of wanna be tough guys get beat down. Size does not matter when there is a skilled fighter involved. Russia is not a skilled fighter. Ukraine is proving that. So if the nukes fly they fly, not a problem. Not living in fear over any of it, and neither are any other smart people.

As for their subs and hypersonic bombs, they still can not prevent the US from launching, or from EU countries launching. In fact, by the time Russia attacked, the EU bombs would be hitting Russia before any Russian bombs got to the US. Nothing to fear, just have a lot of snow gear in storage for nuclear winter and its all good.

Of course war crimes can not be prosecuted if the scum that committed them remain in Russia.

But they should understand they can never leave - no holidays un Turkey, no business trips, no cross border shopping, no hiding their booty in Cyprus. They are prisoners in Russia until they die - it's a long time for 19 year old kids

POL AM
There is a hole in your reasoning. (Befforebombs get to the USA)Before taking on the USA, suppose Russians have some working brain cells and target Europe first. Hummmm?

@Przelotnyptak1
No problem, EU bombs will land in Russia the same time theirs get to EU. If its the end, so be it. Again, the fear of the 70's through 90's is no longer there for most people. And Russia wont fight NATO conventionally without getting completely obliterated.

They probably would.

There are two nuclear powers in Europe, one in the EU and one outside it. Both would retaliate immediately.

In the case of the UK, most of the nukes are on stealth submarines that can be anywhere in the world without anyone having the slightest idea where. The likelihood of one of two of them not being very close to r*ssia right now is tiny.

We should not assume that the official number is nuclear warheads and delivery systems that the UK has is correct; every country has its secrets. There is commonly thought to be a reserve of land-based weapons that is kept disassembled. It is likely that they are no longer disassembled.

There are also French nukes, based on land and there are US land based nukes in Europe.

The US Embassy in Moscow has changed its official address. It is now located at Donetsk People's Republic Square, building 1.

@Velund
It really doesn't matter what the address is. Unlikely Russia has a relationship with the US that matters for decades. Meanwhile, the US keeps seizing Russian assets around the world. Big boats will go a long way to help rebuild Ukraine. All that steel to recycle into housing will be a great way to use it, and all the money will pay for a lot of Ukraine books in schools where Russian language will never be taught again. All this while Russian's wonder while no one in the world except other turd world countries want anything to do with them. Happy gulag biatches.

This with Kaliningrad is no good thing people. I am now sure these games would affect all our lives.

@Velund

An honest question - no jokes, no malice intended: how do you imagine Russia can win this war? I mean, what is the most realistic scenario that you would consider to constitute a victory for Russia?

It's almost 4 months now, the emotions cooled down a bit (probably), so what do you think? How can Russia win this?

@GefreiterKania

Don't know what Velund thinks, but I think there is still hope for a collapse on the Ukrainian side. Maybe not everything at once, but one piece first which causes the other dominos to fall.

This must be the interpretation of the situation by the Zelensky team - otherwise their desire to keep committing forces to areas that are under imminent threat of encirclement do not make sense.

Every inch and every river is important, because a breakthrough might mean that the defending force won't be able to dig back in for dozens or hundreds of kilometers as it gets steamrolled over open terrain.

Ukrainian soldiers have shown great morale in the face of absolute incompetence from their commanders, but even they are getting tired. Daily desertions and surrenders are increasing. War is a battle of wills, and the main bet on our side is that fatigue will overtake the AFU. This will lead to rapid and unexpected collapse that the same commentators that told us about Kiev in 72 HRS will also explain with a genius' facial expression.

Alternatively - we have a coup in the Kremlin, Russia apologizes to everyone for questionable behavior, and pays half a trillion dollars to restore Ukraine, returns Crimea, finally it tells: Donbass, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transdnistria, et al to fxuk off.

You decide which scenario is more likely.

We keep hearing the same about Russian forces.


Let's say that Ukraine does collapse and you manage to install a puppet government there. What next? There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the West will accept that, so what then - a new cold war? Do you really think that Russia is in a better position to win it than the Soviet Union was?

@Bobko
So in your opinion, since the Ukrainian army is about to collapse, what kind of Russian advances can we expect to see and in what time frame?

That is your mistake in observation. Take a new glasses. Things change.

To wage cold war NATO and EU needs to have soft power. To have soft power EU and NATO have to exist, remain rich and attractive. After this Russia`s operation and short after there will be no NATO and no EU. At least no united respond, no soft power, no resources, no real money (forget paper) and wealth. Not without deal with Russia. Just, some time ago we talked should Russia joins EU. Now we see that if western Europe fail to have deal with Russia, they would most certainly lose their sovereignty and could be simple absorbed by the USA or by the Russia or by the ``Open Balkan plus`` initiative around Serbia. Also, if refrain itself from blindly following USA and rest of EU, Visegrad countries could actually profit.

BS. Ukrainian army commanders are doing wonderful job. Something that RuSSists commanders can only dream of. Haven`t you heard RuSSists are cleansing their high rank military for their lousy performance which entailed gigantic losses?

OK, I know, you just gave us another Kremlin propaganda preemptive strike.:):)


Darling, for Ukraine to accept ceasefire or start peace talks, RuSSists have to withdraw to positions from before the war. Crimea is a topic for further negotiations.


I hope so. :):) Europe has to seriously cut down on RuSSist influence until those Mongols get civilised.


The deal is simple - RuSSists cut off gas supply to Germany, the EU cuts off all supplies to Kaliningrad.

I didn't say "is", I said "if". If they collapse, the push will logically be to Dnietropetrovsk and Zaporozhye, probably resulting in long and grueling sieges since those cities have both been fortified to the max and are multiples of Mariupol in population.

In the southwest the situation is more fluid. Nikolayev is holding the defense of Odessa. Ukrainians have made unsuccessful attempts to counterattack from the Nikolayev Oblast into Kherson Oblast. If the east collapses quickly, and forces can be detached for a siege of the two largest cities in the center - then the bulk might be thrown at this direction to reach Moldova.

I can't imagine that the Russian army will have any strength left for strong pushes after the above goals are achieved unless there's a total collapse in the Ukrainian side. It might takes months, or more than a year to reconstitute forces for a complete push to the Polish border and also might require actual involvement of Belarusians or at the very least their borders.

Back on topic edition 89

Poles provided Ukrainians with heavy sniper rifles which can take out light armour vehicles. The rifle is called TOR.

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The active involvement of Belarussians ? The rank and file hate you just like everyone else does. Lukaszenko knows he will face a mutiny if he orders his troops into battle.

Strange. I thought that EU wants to prevent Russia from selling gas to EU countries. Its blackmail then to must sell to EU? For gold rubles or for paper eur? Or they just take gas?

This war will probably end before the winter because the Russians are running out of weapons and men......

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2022.06.22 Israel Provokes Russia

What I really dislike here is the attitude that Russian soldiers are garbage and that, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, they love killing Ukrainians. Normal people would feel sadness that white Europe is in this self-extermination mode again while the brown hordes are flooding it unchecked.

So, here is my polite request: cut that "nuke 'em sh*it out, a-holes.

The two main objectives were announced at the beginning of the operation, and only their achievement can be considered a victory. At the same time, the form may be different.

As a result, there should be no breeding ground for the Bandera "strain" of Nazism in Europe (Canada will remain, but this is out of scope of current operation). This is not up for discussion at all. If there is even a square meter on which the Bandera infection can wait out and start spreading later, it is not a victory, but just another postponement, like in the late 1940s, through the fault of Khrushchev and his wife.

Besides, the situation requires détente with huge stockpiles of weapons and ammunition, accumulated by the USSR in the Western Military District in case of war with NATO and inherited by Ukraine during the collapse of the USSR. Ukrainians are hoarders, everybody who served in the Soviet Army knows that a Ukrainian petty officer is a blessing for the unit... He'll pick up anything ownerless that isn't nailed down as he walks past, and he'll always have plenty of things in his store that the unit isn't supposed to have. ;) Such huge stocks made many people's heads spin, their shelf life was not infinite, and they were not allowed to sell them on the side. It seemed to somebody in the West decided, that instead of allotting money for disposal one could try to turn all this splendor against the one who had mostly paid for it in the past. The second task of the operation is to eliminate these excesses, dangerous for the unstable Ukrainian consciousness. At the same time, it is desirable to make the overly inventive geopolitical "engineers" in the West bitterly regret about their "bright ideas".

It is too early to say how all this will be achieved. Now the most combat-ready and propaganda-motivated Ukrainian cadre units are being ground up (the captured Ukrainians believe that Belgorod and Rostov were taken by the Ukrainian army and that only in their area they got some particularly stubborn Russians and some Chechens in addition). Once the fortified areas created over eight years have been destroyed, it will be clear what to do next. But, IMHO, until the Russian troops meet with the Polish, the tasks cannot be considered even tentatively solved.

Here is my short version of your brilliant post, Velund:

The USSR made a huge investment in Ukraine. Like hell will Russia let it fall into the hands of the hostile globalist scum dressed up as the EU or NATO. Wiping Ukraine clean of Nazis before they can run into the loving arms of forgetful Poles will be just a nice side effect.

Memo to PF Russia haters: Never use "Ukraine", "independent", and "democracy" in the same sentence ever again.

No sht, the big tuff talk of, "WE will turn them into glass" b.s.
Firstly, who is WE and secondly they will turn us into glass in return if it comes to that point.
The We'ers should have the taste slapped out of their mouths every time they say, "We will turn them into glass."
How high school............and none of the WE'ers have ever served a day in the military in their pampered life to even begin to talk like that.

WE will, We should, We are, We We We !