Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

@Bobko
And once again, you are not here, not talking to people moving equipment into Ukraine, and not seeing it flow through Poland. Keep reading your propaganda, I will take my news directly from real soldiers moving the items into Ukraine. Russian supply lines are stretched, running out of smart weapons and using mothballed soviet era items now. 40% of missiles and ammunition not hitting their intended targets. I have seen real photos on phones of soldiers in the last 24 hours of massive amounts of equipment moving into Ukraine, not mythical propaganda. What you read days ago is not historical information, not current. But currently, Orcs are being roasted and Snake Island is getting leveled, while the fleet in the black sea deals with weather issues before coming closer to shore and getting repurposed as submarines.

Now, smoking? No, not quite. Russia can not win this war. It simply wont happen, just like the cold war, you could never win that. Russia will be beaten down and its people will once again beg for the west to help them. History repeats itself. Lets hope this time the west makes them wait until they are crushed.

@PolAmKrakow

It will be an interesting story, at the end of this war, how Ukraine lost the largest stockpiles of 152MM shells on Earth during the eight years from 2014-2022. A fire at the Balakleya Depot (allegedly started by an incendiary dropped from a Russian drone), alone, destroyed the single largest stockpile of artillery munitions to be created in the entire history of humanity.

A fire at the Kalinovka Depot (48th Depot of AFU), was similarly spectacular. 180,000 tons of munitions - TONS CARL! NOT INDIVIDUAL SHELLS BUT TONS - went up in flames. These included stockpiles of Grad MLRS rockets, Tochka-U tactical ballistic missiles, tank shells, mortar shells, artillery shells. All of it just went pooof! What was supposed to be used for a throw to the English Channel instead burned in place for several days.

Ukrainian corruption and disregard for fire safety standards is now costing its Western donors a pretty penny, and will probably cost the Ukraine the war.

It's also a very happy fact that 155MM shells don't fit in 152MM barrels. Thank you grandpa!

@Bobko
History. Cost is all about perspective. From an American point of view the cost of seeing the end of Russia as we know it will be worth the expense. The cost of eliminating Putin is worth it. Lets also not forget the reconstruction of Ukraine and all those jobs and work. Maybe a new Marshall Plan for Ukraine like was done in Europe after WW2? Lets also not forget all the $ for the military industrial complex. All those jobs, and now the justification to spend more on the military.

Putin was stupid. This was a bad idea, and it will likely mean the end of Russia as you know it. Welcome back to 1990. Happy gulag biatches!

Putin starts an war to prevent UA from becoming more anti commie, NATO and western aligned. Results :

UA is now an EU candidate
UA is switching to NATO standard of weapons and artillery
UA airforce will become more NATO-like with pilots learning how to fly F16
UA patriarchy dissociated itself from Moscow patriarchy
NATO will get Finland and Sweden in short therm
After the war ends, UA will be under NATO protection even if remains "neutral".
Russia will gonna lose most of its soft power and hard power
Before the war, Putin was liked by Right wing people like Bolsonaro and far left people like Maduro, now only the far left likes him.

UA population is stopping speaking Russian
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Maybe from a particular American POV. Another American POV is that China presents a far greater threat to America (or the West, in general) than Russia. China's economy and modernized military is much much much more formidable than Putin's Russia.

As I see it, one of the worst residual effects of this unjust invasion is America and its European allies are overly misallocating focus and resources on Russia and ostracizing it, than seeing the real potent threat of China and pushing Russia closer to China.

An EU candidate: Meaningless. They will never join.

NATO Standard Weapons: LMFAO. You think we are worried about losing the Ukrainian arms market? Those paupers didn't buy a single thing from us, and instead competed against us everywhere with their refurbished Stugna ATGMS and T-64 and T-80s.

UKR can now fly F-16: I am already sh!tting my pants. Will the Ukraine really be entrusted with this marvel of 1970s technology? Time to reconsider all our actions.

Split in Orthodox Churches: as an atheist, I don't care if Ukrainians begin worshipping Niburu or Cthulhu tomorrow.

Finland and Sweden: Yaaaaaaawn. Those guys really are not a threat to us. Not because they are small, but because they are nice people in the end, with functioning brain. They are overreacting a little, but it's ok.

NATO Umbrella for Ukraine: This will not happen. If it does, back to square 1 for all involved.

Putin was just in a summit with Bolsonaro. Quote from Bolsonaro: "We will not take sides, we will continue being neutral, and help with whatever is possible. A big part of Ukraine's population speaks Russian." Another: "In reference to Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Bolsonaro said Ukrainians have 'placed the hope of their nation in the hands of a comedian.'"

UA Population Stops Speaking Russian: old farts with complex of national inferiority - yes. Young people who don't give a fcuk all speak Russian. Open TikTok, or Insta and show me if even 10% of Ukrainian teenagers are speaking in Ukrainian. All the musicians they love, the shows they watch, the books they read, the same websites they browse are Russian.

Why not?

@AntV
One enemy at a time. Russia will collapse on itself, it always does. 1914 anyone? WW2? Cold War? Glasnost? Russia can not get it right because they are ignorant people in general. All the intelligent people were killed off by Stalin and the rest. There is more intelligence in Kentucky than Moscow.

@Bobko
Again, no one is afraid of Russia. Talk talk talk. NATO protections will happen for Ukraine, count on it. Putin will have no say. Maybe its EU protections in name but make no mistake it will be NATO. Again, NATO is not afraid of Russia. All the tough talk in the world, and Russia still has not touched a NATO country. If they do, the steam roller will come for the military quickly. You havent been to Ukraine, all young people speak Ukraine, not Russian, you have no clue.

@Bratwurst Boy

Because Europeans are perfidious. Also because Europeans are rational. If accepting Western Balkans, with 17M people total, and much higher standard of living is such a huge problem... what do you call a country of 40M with living standards of Burkina Faso, an active war, and corruption of Biblical proportions? If Poles and Lithuanians are down for this plan, it's because they know the Ukrainians will move on to greener pastures. The Dutch and Belgians, however, probably are not as philosophical about the question.

That still performs very well.


Does the Russian Orthodox church play an important part in Russian culture?


But, if they join NATO, the NATO boogie man not only grows in numbers but is now right on a significant expanse of Russia's border. Kind of contrary to Putin's aim.

Hey genius, my girlfriend is Ukrainian, and I have relatives on my father's side that live in the South - I mentioned this twice. I fcuking live on Ukrainian newspapers and TV, and constantly browse their social media. I have been to Ukraine multiple times on business and pleasure.

Maybe you see young people talking Ukrainian within the "Banderstadt" Zoological Reserve, but that is not representative of Ukraine at large. Full disclosure - I have been to Western Ukraine only once, in Lvov. Business acquaintances there decided to take us to a Jewish-themed restaurant where you are supposed to haggle with the waiter over the prices of everything. Unforgettable experience. I believe the restaurant was inside an old synagogue.

That's the thing.....the Balkan generally has not the best image in Europe...."Balkanization" has become a longstanding byword for chaos and hate and violence....if you ask the typical EU-member you will hear that they hope that the ascension process will keep running for a loooooooong time!

Add to that that many Europeans are asking what a country like Serbia, with its famous loyalty to Putin, even wants in the EU?

Ukraine on the other hand rides on a to date unprecedented wave of utmost sympathy and compassion....if they use it wisely they WILL be invited with applause! Believe it or not:)

"360 destroyed targets from this weapon only": American M777 howitzers in eastern Ukraine - short video from the Donbas frontline (English subtitles present):

youtu.be/Ue4zw18Fxyk

You mean all those red necks from around Albuquerque whose all news are either TV or AlexJones videos.
The reality of what happeing is the flat refusal of Russia to be a junior partner of the USA and their ally against China. See - war in Ukrainie.

The obssesion in Russia about USA being their enemy and their delusions of being a great power equal to the USA and China makes it impossible for them to be US ally.

As for China and Russia - that is also unlikly scenario.
What USA needs to do now is to help Ukrainie win this war. Russia that looses the war will not be anyobody partner or enemy. They will be out not only as the global but the local power as well.

If not, that conflict will be postponed for a few years.
As to Europe you don't know anything. Germany and France were on the Russia side, they wanted USA out of Europe. They are still on the fence. Spain has strong anti-american leanings, Italy doesn't care either way.

There are the uk, Finland, Sweden most eastern europe countries that support Ukrainie and USA.
China is an economic powerhause that supress in some areas USA but that about it. There are not going to be a war between those two. Not a hot war anyway.

That China threat is overated due to the fact that USA had been a global hegemon for the last 30 years and people are used to it.


Better than in the hand of KGB clown.

Ah, finally - I agree with you. Why do you persist in asking constant questions if you understand this very simple truth?

This is a fight for our place under the Sun.

You are a first-class genius...I mean we spend billions on the CIA and you know all that for free. Wow!


If the Sun shines on Kremlin, it must be evil.

I wonder if you do know that Special Military operation in Ukrainie was a big stupid mistake? Made by your boss. Can you trust his judgement after he failed so big.

Russia was on the way to achive most of its goals without a war. It was close. You could even pretend you take USA offer ..but no ... you are so great and smart and mighty - and here we are.

Every hour is working against you.
I guess you will say that you have no choice now. That is not true. You current leadership has no choice, you as Russia can still cut off your loses and wait for better days.

I ask because I want to know your personal opinion. Want to know bаша точка зрения.


Not really. it is not a secret. CIA is just a sock puppet there other agencies that accully do the work while everyone focus on CIA.

The war in Ukraine is probably the worry mistake in their history.

It is the biggest step yet in their decline.

The news about the Goat of Kyiv gets better. 40 injured, hopefully horribly injured.
telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/24/goat-kyiv-triggers-russian-boobytrap-injures-40-soldiers/

Really? What I remember is the Ukrainians thinking they're very clever, and leading us about by the nose for 8 years.

This is what I want to ask Scholz and Merkel when they say, "The Russians lied to us, never again will we trust them". Where were they when their Ukrainian puppets were cheating on every single point of the Minsk II Accords? Why did they not use their huge influence to knock some sense into Zelensky's head?

Russia has been treated by Ukraine as if it were some chump. From behind America's back, Ukraine felt it could get away with anything. Even when Biden started telling them 7 days a week that Russia is about to invade - DO SOMETHING - these idiots continued trying to be too smart for their own good. As happens with all people that are too clever by half - the Ukrainians got their just desserts.


There is a Russian expression - аппетит приходит во время еды. Translation - one's appetite appears during a meal. Doesn't matter how we started, what matters is how we feel now. As Crow says, all is well in the universe good brother.


Worse than losing WWI due to criminal incompetence of Nikolay II, being plunged into a Revolution, an even more bloody civil war, and then famine, and then right back into another world war?

Worse than fighting the combined armies of the French Empire, British Empire, and Ottoman Empire for control of Crimea?

Worse than falling to the Mongols because of internal bickering?

Worse than voluntarily dismissing the Warsaw Pact, losing half of our territories, and being plunged into two decades of absolute poverty and humiliation by the West?

Russia, as I have said many times, has a proven capability of reconstituting itself despite any odds.

@PolAmKrakow

Can we afford to fend off only one threat at a time? Which threat is more potent?

It seems like you are lobbying for the west to not spend much energy and resources on Russia, since it bound to collapse on itself. Should we just let it go and cannibalize itself?


That's a dangerous approach, IMO. They may end up surprising you.


When I venture over the Ohio River and grace the Bluegrass state with my presence, this statement is verifiably true!!! :D

@Cojestdocholery

I disagree with most of what you say-not everything, but most.


I don't know much about it, but I wouldn't say I don't know anything about Europe.

For instance, I know Europe has its fair share of incorrigible a$sholes. I also know that it produces some of the finest cuisine and wines in the world. I'm also a aware that Polish people are some of the finest people going, except, of course, for the aforementioned incorrigible a$sholes within its borders.

Other than that, yeah, I'm pretty much a dumbass. :D

Indeed, you focus on form not on the content.


That is obvious. Why do you think a lot of Poles support Ukrainie? By the way what is with your Mediediev? Talking about what rusophobia in Poland? What is this tripe? Is he is snorting?

Indeed - what is he prattling on about? Poland - Russophobic? Hahahaha. In your dreams Herr Medvedev.

Thanks, Anti, but isn't that true of any country really? Majority of people are quite alright everywhere, the problem begins with those in power... the power corrupts and more power means more corruption, so ruling classes of a nuclear superpower with a huge army are simply more exposed to it than, let's say, governments of Iceland or Switzerland. I can't help but feel that it all goes back to the question of original sin really.

Oh, well... as long as everything is in the hands of God, "all is well in the universe". :)

r*ssia loves Poland so much that their propagandists have been photoshopping pictures of Auschwitz to show fake stickers about r*ssia.

There's no depths to which r*ssians won't sink.

Obviously, it's how you look that matters, cojest. All those deep thoughts are for suckers, it's the looker who gets the girl, so to speak.

@GefreiterKania

Those are deep thoughts, GK. Please see above.

As your best friend here, I like your posts and, at the same time, cringe at the ratio of effort they put into triggering your thoughtful responses to the time you spend on dignifying these xxxxxxx with them.


Good question, Cojest. You are quickly losing your country - irreversibly and forever. You should have called Dirk or me before getting stupid happy with your "support".

It just started in Ukraine but, it could start anywhere. This is the final war for liberation of Slavs ie Sarmatians from foreign rule.

Sarmat bomb is ready.

I ask you. What he is on about? Is that reverse psychology? He is Polonophobic? Maybe that is a victim complex? Russia always a victim. All those bad people and states are after Russia.

On the other hand it could be that Russia and Medevidev are not only Polonophobic but NATO-phobic, USA-phobic and west=phobic and generally phobic like hell.


I know why? Do you?

I dearly hope that you are wrong.
Because if this war happens, Slavs will suffer the most.
Be careful for what you wish for.....

Yes. Ukrainians, Poles, RuSSians and others.
But RuSSists have to understand that Poles will never go with them against the West. And we will always support Ukraine. To change it, RuSSists will have to obliterate us completely.