Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Those who preach america first fail to realise that America is a soft power global empire that needs to be maintained to ensure global peace. Hence the Ukranian aid to nip Putin in the bud and to show China that USA is not to be messed with if they try to invade Taiwan and dominate Japan and the Pacific. How many times in history must be pointed out that you america first lot realise that isolationist policies do not fit the formerly great but still mighty USA?

Talking about Vets and the wall is a logical fallacy, as if that would have happened without the invasion, I don't see any cutbacks in the Biden infrastructure and green program because of the war, do you?

As much as I understand your concern for domestic matters, if people like you were at the helm in the US during World War II, the Axis powers would win that war. If people like you ruled the US during the Cold War, the Soviet Union would win that war.

Poland and other countries have domestic matters and issues too. Especially Poland nowadays. But we all are trying to do our part and do the right thing. I'm afraid this is, again, an important time in history.

What was the population in Europe vs in Germany in 1938? Explain please why Europe needed the US.


1. There was no "cold war". It's just a phrase.
2. Nobody "wins" cold wars.
3. What do we have now? A very hot war and getting hotter only because the USSR no longer exists. If it did, NATO wouldn't dare crawl up to it the way it is doing now to Russia,

@Novichok, NATO isn't Russia's enemy, as it has proven over the years. It is a defensive alliance and it won't attack Russia, if not attacked first.


Why don't you borrow your granddaughters history textbook?


Phrases are used to describe something. Read up about the Cold War in your granddaughters' history textbook - hopefully it won't be too advanced for you :)

And if nobody wins cold wars then why:


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Its war propaganda exposed as such by the Parliament of Poland back in 1999, on the base of mission of Syerkowska on terrain!

Parliament of Poland protested in favor of Serbs. Jan Lopuzanski of Ultra wing Catholics in Parliament of Poland accused NATO of attacking smaller countries for dictate and, even warned Poland itself could be victim of NATO one day.

PM Tusk back then himself said that Poland recognizes Kosovo because of pressure from EU and NATO (so not because Poland thinks its right and Albanians deserve independence). Lech Kaczinsky was against, spoke openly against NATO during UNGA and he later died.

If you have a drop of Polish blood in yourself you should know that Serbian resistance suited and suit interests of Poland. Aside fact that NATO was wrong.

Why do you think Corey Lewandowski and Polonia pump money to Bosnian Serbs that are by NATO and EU pushed to stay on Bosnia where Muslims live by the Sharia law and want to impose their rule to others (local Catholics are already subjugated by them).

I stand corrected. The US won and Russia has no nukes. I got it.


You are right again. NATO did not attack Serbia and Afghanistan. Must be my vivid imagination. Sorry.

@Novichok
NATO wouldn't dare? How Fing stupid are you? Russia, and the USSR did lose the Cold War. There was a clear winner and that was democracy you moron. The Cold War was not a phrase, it was real and it cost a lot of lives. The USSR didn't stop NATO from forming did they? No, those pu$$ies built a wall to hide behind and keep people prisoner.

@amiga500
Excellent points, and I have to agree with most of them. The US needs Europe more than ever for trade, and Ukraine, needs the EU and USA. This is not just a war for now but for the future, and without a secure EU and Ukraine, the USA has problems. China is watching.

The wall is not the biggest problem in America. The Vet care is a huge issue, and one that has been ignored for the last 50 years by Democrat and Republican Presidents alike. This has nothing to do with "party". If the money isn't spent on Ukraine now, there are going to be a whole lot more Vet's afterWW3 when it breaks out in full, and then the care we will need to worry about most is radiation fallout care.

@Novichok, the West won, but it was a Cold War, not a hot one and so Russia got to keep it's nukes. And, unlike Ukraine, Russia didn't resign from it's nuclear arsenal.


NATO attacked Serbia to stop ethnic cleansing. Is Russia planning to do an ethnic cleansing?
Afghanistan was hosting bin Laden. Is Russia going to host islamist terrorist leaders attacking the West?
Besides, thanks to having nukes Russia has nothing to fear from NATO, as we can clearly see even now.


Exactly.

Thanks for that "moron", moron.


No, moron. You see, moron, when country A - the US - has a trade deficit with country B - the EU - country A is a loser, and country B is a winner, and the relationship is unsustainable, moron. Take Econ 101 and look up deficit and unsustainable, moron.

Sooner than later I am afraid.
On a Victory Day without victory, Putin faces choice over all-out war.
Poland is the last place I would be living right now without having a second passport.

@Jon357

What kill switches are you on about? Russia does not use anything French, or from wherever else, that could involve a kill switch. The era of the Russian MoD buying Western weapons as a sort of punishment to our mil-industrial complex has been over since 2014. True enough, we were about to receive two massive helicopter carrier's from France, but then they suspended delivery after the annexation of Crimea. The ships were sold to Egypt instead. Currently, the most impactful French tech in use on Russian equipment are thermal-vision sights manufactured by a JV between Thales and a Russian plant, and in use on Russian tanks and AFVs. I don't think you can install a kill switch into a sight.

There was, one more thing that could involve a kill switch in the past, but no longer - and that's our Israeli-sourced Searcher MKII drones. However, those have since been 100% localized in terms of production, with the Russian modification going by the name Forpost-R. That's it! Basta! Everything else is either an armored car (Iveco), or some tactical vest and optics for rifle.

There is indeed a capability gap we have in manufacturing semiconductors, and this will take some years to close. Thankfully, the kind of semiconductors you need in the military are exceedingly primitive compared to the most state of the art civilian chips now in production. The processor running the F-22 is weaker than the one in your iPhone. However, they necessarily have much higher demands placed on them in terms of reliability and protection vs different types of radiation. For now we will rely on the chips we stockpiled prior, but in three-four years hopefully we will remove this reliance. In any case, the reliance is on Koreans, Taiwanese, and Malaysians and not dirty Euros.

@Novichok
Trade deficit? Do you even understand that a trade deficit with the EU means nothing if the EU does not exist? Econ and World Politics level 5 classes, that you are not qualified for. Fing idiot. Trade deficit? LMFAO How about zero trade if the EU is at war? Want to see an unpluggable hole in the US economy then? You know country A with no customers, and Country B with no products to sell or money to purchase from Country A. Is that simplified enough for you? Or should we send you a box of crayons before nap time?

I said the same using different words.


Don't bother. Your posts are incoherent garbage.

Granddaughter does not speak to grandfather because he is a bigoted narcissistic imbecile. I fear though, that granddaughter is spending her time in the strip club and crack den rather than in school/uni.


The usual response when one knows one has been annihilated intellectually on an internet forum. maybe you should pop back onto your fb profile and post some pro Biden anti-racist stuff with kittens so your family talks to you at least once before you cark it.

For for all his (very many) faults, LK was not opposed to NATO. He was the president of a NATO member state.


You may well find out...


Same in the U.K. and in Poland unfortunately. Vet care (and the conditions of serving military) are a problem.

hahahaha, as if Israel would let you vatniks remove the kill switch. As if the russian jews who read the hebrew source code and gave the o.k were not working for mossad? please don't make me laugh. And since Lavrov has lost his mind recently and is making deeply offensive statements about jews, you orcs are not in their good books right now.

@amiga500, Lavrov hasn't lost his mind. He was simply speaking his mind, for once. A lot of pro-Putin Russians I've discussed with (or those of whom I've just read comments) were antisemites.

Speaking your mind during an interview, whilst being the foreign minister of russia is quite literally losing your mind ;)

@amiga500, hehe, good one ;D

And that's awesome:


:D

Then don't tell me that NATO is a defensive organization. NATO was not attacked and had no legal basis to attack Serbia or Afghanistan. In that role, NATO was the police.


Bullsh*it. bin Laden was in Pakistan and Afghanistan was not "hosting". Your argument is beyond childish. Based on it, any country can attack another country because bad dudes live and plot there. Can China attack the US because blacks rape white women in large numbers, loot, and burn?

I liked Tom Tugendhat's description of him as a barking dog, tied up outside the house of a mafia don.

I thought we're talking about NATO in relation to Russia, since all you seem to care about is "precious and sacred" Russia's security. Unless you're a complete moron, then you know very well that NATO won't invade Russia and won't make a nuclear attack first. So, as I wrote already many times before, Russia has nothing to fear from NATO, no matter how many Serbias or Afghanistans NATO will attack, because Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world and thus it isn't a freaking Serbia or Afghanistan, IDIOT!


No bullsh*t. It's not like he was chained to rocks in Afghanistan. He simply moved to a safer place.


If something like this happens, then, yes:



Don't forget that Putin's excuse for starting the Second Chechen War were alleged Chechen bomb attacks in blocks of flats in Russia.

@Paulina
And lets not forget it was Putin who ordered those bombs placed. Funny how the little Russian Hitler duplicates history. Funny how the same idiots like Novi do the same. Must be something with senility. Happy gulag biatches.

Poland and Ukraine have never been closer due to the rush to receive refugees and support Ukraine.

At this point, we could send in actual peacekeeping troops who would be welcomed with open arms and flowers.

This is an actual example of soft power that Russia should have tried before this ill-advised quagmire. It's what Russia wished would have happened in Eastern Ukraine, but completely failed to setup beforehand.

Had Russia sent in peacekeeping troops into the breakaway regions, I would have supported it. Trump even said it was a smart move. But Pooter ruined it by getting greedy and going for Kyiv when he wasn't ready and he had no real casus belli other than "muh Nazis! muh Nazis!".

OK, if something like 9/11 happens, who do you attack and on the basis of what rules?

So, you are now lecturing Russian General Staff about military security? Hope you are finished lecturing Pope about Catholic Faith? Two thoughts at once may be a bit too devastating for untrained brain, especially in thе battle time, as Bushido says.

As a famous politician once said (referencing a WW1 economist) in one of her better speeches: " The Soviets put guns over butter, but we put almost everything over guns."

Anyone seen this documentary called Ukrainian Agony? I just discovered it on my facebook news feed from some polish lady who posted it:

youtube.com/watch?v=U-P-tX04_LA

Hey, Velund, if Paulina says Russia has nothing to fear Russia should call it off, pack up, apologize, and go home. Kremlin should have her on speed dial for her wisdom and advice.

OK, Paulina, as NATO, the snake, crawls east, where would you draw the red line if you were advising Putin? Western suburbs of Moscow? Ural? Or Vladivostok?

I wasn't aware that Novichok is a member of Russian General Staff - that's news to me! lol

Btw, I don't think there's a point in lecturing your generals - they die so soon these days... :P


Yup. And both sides sometimes go too far in those respective directions, I'm afraid... The Russians put guns over butter too much and Western Europe the other way around...