Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Clearly, Bobko, there were terrorists hiding among the wedding guests, so it was OK for Americans to bomb them, Israel flattens Gaza hospitals because the Arabs (not Palestinians - there's no such thing as Palestinians, duh!) are firing missiles at Israel from those hospitals and are using them as ammo storage, so it's OK, and it isn't the French soldiers raping Malinese women, it's the Malinese men doing it themselves and then blaming it on the French! And it's all fake news anyway and propaganda!

It's funny that you are willing to believe that Americans, Israelis and the French did this or that, but apparently Russians can do no wrong.


It looks like Russian soldiers are aware of that too, not only you. They know they won't get punished, not only internationally, but also at home. You know why? Because according to Russian propaganda they can do no wrong. American soldiers are afraid of what CNN would say about them, but Russian soldiers aren't scared of anything. And that's scary. Because for them what goes on Ukraine - stays in Ukraine.

The latest - on the 7th of May Russians bombed a school where 90 civillians were hiding who didn't manage to evacuate from Bilohorivka village. 60 people were killed:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/szef-onz-przerazony-doniesieniami-z-ukrainy-6766822065613600a

Meh. I was hoping for acid, or at least knives.

@Paulina

Russia does prosecute war criminals, even if they are heroes. Colonel Budanov is a famous recent example. Imprisoned for the murder of a Chechen girl, Elza Kungayeva.

You and PolAmKrakow are talking out of your ass, because you have never given any serious time to studying Russia until this conflict.

I'm not saying we find every single one, but if a case has enough resonance and enough corroborating evidence it will be prosecuted. If only to keep clean the name of Russian officership, and because putting it under the carpet is bad for morale and discipline.

This is not the point though. Point is your war tribunal threats are a joke on which you cannot deliver. We watched for years with impotence at how the US operated without oversight or control. It boils the blood to know that Americans can kill an Afghan shepherd for pleasure in some dusty, forgotten corner of the world and then go home to their wives.

Now the boot is on the other foot.

That would have been even better.

Unfortunately it probably wasn't even paint, just sugar solution and food dye. There's also some suggestion that the orc ambassador knew something in advance. Even if he didn't, it's reasonable to expect heavy protests. Some people are suggesting a false flag by the orcs. I hope it was genuine though.


The orcs lie like others breathe.

@Bobko
As sick as orc rapists invading Ukraine? Or as sick as the orcs who abducted thousands of civilians from Mariupol? Or as sick as the orcs who bombed a theatre where 400 people were sheltering?

Or as sick as dying Putler, covering his knees with a blanket while he watched his sham parade?

@jon357

I don't know Jon, I don't know. You should look for work with the Ukrainian Ministry of Information, or more specifically an СБУ PsyOps unit. Their known HQs regularly get hit with cruise missiles, but you would be impervious to this given your location making you an already valuable asset.

In terms of your work - quantity is impressive, quality not so much.

"Recent"? He was arrested in 2000 - that was 22 years ago! Putin got into power in 1999 as the prime minister and he became the president only in 2000 - that was a different Russia than now! *facepalm*

I think I even remember discussing that case with a Russian guy some years ago - Budanov was killed by a Chechen:

rferl.org/amp/chechen-man-convicted-killing-russian-budanov-dies-siberian-prison/29410201.html

Although that Chechen didn't plead guilty and conveniently died in a penal colony in Siberia.

Also:

"Despite his conviction, Budanov enjoyed broad support in Russia. But he was hated by many in Chechnya, including pro-Russian Chechens."

That was clearly a notorious, high profile case. It looks like Budanov made some enemies among the military too:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Budanov

"He was also charged in the beating up of a subordinate officer, threatening superior officers with a weapon, and other crimes."

Unfortunately, even though there was evidence, neither Budanov nor other soldiers were convicted of rape on the girl:

"The forensic physician, a Captain in the Russian military medical service, found three tears in her hymen and one in the mucous membrane of her rectum, and the report concludes that she was penetrated anally and vaginally by a blunt object before death.

Three of Budanov's subordinates, Sergeants Li En Shou and Grigoriev and a Private Yegorev, were found responsible. Charges against all three were simultaneously brought and dropped under the 26 May 2000 amnesty law."


To your misfortune, I actually have! For around seven years even...

Why not? Just as good as "secret Bundeswehr lab" in Navalny case.

But I have something for you...

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@Paulina

Pathetic. The precise details of what you have released would not be possible in the United States without Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning. This shows that Russia investigates crimes, and prosecutes them.

Edit: yes this is recent. I could cite sources about Zhukov's punishment for looting in Berlin, and go even further back to punishments for looters during the occupation of Paris in the conclusion of the Napoleonic wars. So yes, it's recent. When Jon says Putin has had no victories, I laugh. Chechnya - win. Georgia - win. Syria - win. Central African Republic - win. Libya - still up for debate. Ukraine - two months in.

He hasn't, orc.

The places you've quoted are either sites of war crimes or places that russia were not combatants in. Their private mercenaries (wiped out now by Ukraine pretty well) hardly count. Unless you're admitting they're ruSSist proxy wars...

And they still haven't taken the Azovstal works...

...but Russia was soooo mean...boohoo...and those babies...boohoo...


...because Putin told them not to! Duh!

According to psychopaths.

Jon you are stupid. If you win - these are not war crimes but "collateral damage". Chechnya - active regular combatants. Georgia - active regular combatants. Syria - active regular combatants. Libya and CAR supported by regular forces through either navy or airlift to legitimate government. PMC is different story.

Me too. Not to the extent that you have Paulina but I became interested in Russia when I was about eight years old. I saw a photo of the Imperial Family in a Spanish magazine and I was very curious about who these people were and what the article was about but I didn't know Spanish. When I was ten, I saw their picture again and this time the text was in English and I could read it. When I was thirteen we did Russian history in school and I read the book Nicholas and Alexandra by Robert K Massie. Then I began taking an interest in news reports about Russia. I couldn't figure out why it was that the Russian leaders drove around in limousines while people stood there queuing up for a few rotten spuds or grisly meat in this supposed workers' paradise. Then I read Marx to try to figure out the original idea behind all this, then The Gulag Archipelago and so on. By the time I was sixteen I knew quite a bit about Russian history and politics. Btw, once I started learning French, I went back to that Spanish magazine and managed to read the article, I could figure out enough from the French I knew :) I was never a quitter!


Because Russia, for many, many decades has a proven record of telling lies including to their own people.

Really? This was before Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

"The abuses came to public attention with the publication of photographs of the abuse by CBS News in April 2004. The incidents caused shock and outrage, receiving widespread condemnation within the United States and internationally."

It was talked a lot about also in Poland. So you have strange memory.

I also remember reading in Polish press about a rape committed by American soldiers on an Iraqi girl - later they came back to her home and killed her and her family to cover tracks. The info about this came from American media.


Your example shows that Russia investigated a high profile case 22 years ago. What about now? Soldiers accused of committing war crimes in Bucha and Irpin not only weren't arrested, but they were awarded and sent back to Ukraine without any investigation!

So, tell me, what's so "pathetic" about facts that I pointed out to you?


Of course it isn't "recent". Syria is recent. Ukraine is recent. And Budanov case isn't recent not only because it was 22 years ago. It's not only about time. As I already wrote, it was a different Russia back then. Maybe you would know that if you stayed in Russia, instead of living in New York.

"Soldiers accused of committing war crimes in Bucha and Irpin not only weren't arrested, but they were awarded and sent back to Ukraine without any investigation!"

how would Americans be any different. In America they generally only care about stuff or media reports it also yrs down the line so youre not excusing America in any way by attacking russia are you?

"Of course it isn't "recent". Syria is recent. Ukraine is recent. And Budanov case isn't recent not only because it was 22 years ago. It's not only about time. As I already wrote, it was a different Russia back then. Maybe you would know that if you stayed in Russia, instead of living in New York."

Iraq wasnt recent either. so did it come to light or did the Americans get punished right away? no right? so why only focus on russia or ur russophobia bias?

They are war crimes, and documented as such.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_war_crimes


And of course ruSSist Wagner Group mercenaries, now fortunately mostly dead in Ukraine. In CAR, many war crimes carried out by ruSSist mercenaries. Mali too.


Of course, however the trut( for orcs is something to be manipulated

Your attempts at orc gaslighting are hilarious. And ineffective.

No, according to the history of wars.

If Ukraine is "right", why is it in ruins? Being "right" didn't help much, did it? Europe, in a fit of holy indignation, just placed an order for June oil from the country that is "wrong", or did I miss the cancellation letter? ... hahahahahahahaha...

Pawian, I love you, man...

I think the Russian government and army (both with a long history of disregarding things like human rights and human dignity...) have dealt with the Bucha offenders by sending them to be slaughtered elsewhere.

On the other hand they're getting cheap.... accusing some of those killed in the Moskva incident of desertion (so no pay off to the families involved).

I also think some of the more... misguided shelling is just that - misguided as they're using older and older and less reliable arms...

Because that is where WW2 was won by the USSR. The rest was just cleanup.

More good news. The Pentagon are saying that large numbers of mid level orc officers, up to battalion commander level, are refusing to obey orders. They also say that most of the howitzers they've sent have arrived and are going into use.

twitter.com/DanLamothe/status/1523702660465324033

Only a total moron would say that the US fighting nuclear Russia - by proxy or any other way - is "good news". Watch this video and maybe you will slide down a bit on the moron scale.

youtu.be/tNjRi5AJ53s

Russia has realized it can't really incorporate any area of Ukraine (can't take it over and/or keep it) and seems to be giving up on every other goal beside inflicting destruction.

So they shelled a hotel beloved of the Russian elite...

twitter.com/WynnWs/status/1523715155758321665

That and fvkc you! shelling toward politicians....

twitter.com/O_Ostapchuk/status/1523717466127421440

Russia is having a national nervous breakdown, unable to face, let alone resolve the contradictions created by Putin (and his creators).

Don't be silly. If any NATO state were a combatant in this, the populated parts of russia would know about it.

Btw, the Russians (pro-Putin ones, of course) that I discussed with in the past repeatedly claimed that organisations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch aren't objective, that they're Western and biased, paid for, etc. But somehow those organisations were calling out also the US on their human rights violations, not only Russia:

"The George W. Bush administration claimed that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were isolated incidents and not indicative of U.S. policy.[6][7]: 328  This was disputed by humanitarian organizations including the Red Cross, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch; these organizations stated that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were part of a wider pattern of torture and brutal treatment at American overseas detention centers, including those in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and at Guantanamo Bay.[7]: 328 "

(quote from Wikipedia link from my previous post)


I didn't claim it was. It was Bobko who claimed that a case from 2000 was "recent". Read my post #10,411 again to see why I mentioned Abu Ghraib:

It's the Russian problem. A country full of aggrieved people who demand respect while refusing any responsibility.... a nation of emotional toddlers, violent and impulsive and greedy (mine!) who whine and throw temper tantrums when anyone resists...

All the deflection and attempts to redirect this attention on Russian criminals is not going to work. All of you Russian scumbag trolls will go to your graves one day knowing you lost the war in Ukraine and Putin will either be dead or in exile. This is the only outcome for Russia. Russia is a turd world country, with fourth world mentality, and fifth world values. Fing losers gravitate to other losers. The people in the right do not have to defend their actions, only those who seek acceptance try to justify their actions. Bottom line is Russia will never be accepted, they are a nation of animals.

Most Godless people and nations are.

"Since Maidan,They Had (Azov) Complete Freedom Of Action & They Killed, Raped, Robbed People"

youtu.be/ZEJjkYI-uhk

"Since the Maidan happened, they [Azov*] had complete freedom of action and they killed, raped, robbed people"

These are the words of George Elayson, a journalist from the USA. He has been living in Donbas with his wife for 10 years.

Since 2014, he has been observing the atrocities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In an exclusive interview with RT Documentary, the journalist shared his view on the 8-year conflict, its sides and the Russian special operation in Ukraine.

moderndiplomacy.eu/author/georgeeliason/

So....that was the 9th of May in Berlin.....nothing special....mostly only the usual suspects only alot less of them....everything stayed quite quiet....

In Moscow too....no impressive "Z" air show...no big speech.....no general mobilization....nothing special....quite quiet...

Was that it?

Behavior that fits the situation.
I sense disappointment...Not in your post but in the hotheads out there...