Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

You are too kind. Poles are impulsive morons.
That red paint is proof. One day, they will regret it.


Poles don't need evidence. As poets and impulsive morons, what they feel is evidence.

Here, The Guardian trying to tell that many bodies found in mass graves that was made during russian troops presence in Bucha was killed by flechette shrapnel from _russian_ 3Sh1 shells. ;) Of course, it is soviet shells that was manufactured till 1989 if memory serves me correctly, and that type of munition was more than abundant in huge artillery stockpiles left to Ukraine after break up of USSR.

theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/dozens-bucha-civilians-killed-flechettes-metal-darts-russian-artillery

It is hard to imagine that russian troops shelled _THEIR OWN_ positions with a such imprecise weapons.

And, in another sources, dead bodies with a strangled hands and bullet wounds in the head was dated by much later time. Probably it was "russian collabortionists" executed by nationalists after russian troops left the area.

Donetsk bloggers reported that shells of the 3Sh-1 type with "arrows" have been repeatedly used by the AFU in Donbass - both near Luhansk and near Donetsk (Avdeevka, Peski).

No, no - you see he changed his identity - his real name is Alex Bitchson and he was sent by the CIA to conduct a special NATO operation to make russia look bad. Seriously, russians are being such retards that it would be uproaringly funny, if it wasn't for the fact that people are raped and murdered. :-/

I believe what I hear from the International Criminal Court investigators, from the International Red Cross, from Amnesty International, from Medecins Sans Frontiers, etc. because they have proven themselves over decades to be trustworthy sources of information. I also believe the testimonies of eye witnesses who describe the murders of their own families and neighbours. That amount of wholesale faking is simply not possible to coordinate.

Let's put aside your unwillingness to accept child rape and male rape, are you honestly saying that you don't believe Russian soldiers have at the very least, executed civilians and raped women?

Do you think poets and impulsive morons should be allowed to have their own statehood? ;) As I see it, they are now destroying the Yalta world order that allowed them to have their statehood back ;) Acting like a moron who sits on a branch and saws that branch off the trunk. And the president with his great-uncle, who killed the Poles till the last, is jumping out of his pants to leave the Poles as little chance as possible. ;)

I admire your patience but you are wasting your time. Your targetted audience - pun intended - is immune to anything that does not fit their Russia hate narrative which goes like this: Russia is responsible for all evil on the globe including high prices in Kansas.

BTW, as a chill pill and a favor to future Rambos and their families, foreign volunteers currently in Azovstal plant should be executed - publicly and with cameras rolling. After a brief trial, of course.


Perfect analogy.

But Velund, it's actually not hard to imagine that, because Russia has a very incompetent, poorly commanded army and Russian command doesn't care a fiddler's flip for its own men. They'll sacrifice as many as are needed in order to make whatever point they want to.

Because Russians seem to lack basic human decency, you find it easy to imagine that Ukraine would do such things to their own people.


Which source?

Anyway, there is abundant evidence for what the Russians have done and there is also abundant information available on fact checker sites which you can use to check the truth or otherwise of sources.

They were.

The evidence of russian atrocities in Bucha and elsewhere is more than enough to satisfy any court.

Next you'll be trying to pretend that the Salisbury chemical weapons attack was some sort of 'false flag' ot that the Malaysian Airlines passenger jet wasn't shot down by Russians...


Can you answer this question, 'velund'?

Not need to coordinate anything. Just flood to every possible outlet - without names and places.

And everyone and their stepmother will KNOW that all russians is rapists, doesn't matter who victims is, if (s)he ever exists at all. ;) ;)


You have to do your own homework by itself, if you need this information. I will rather spend my holiday evening with friends, drinking bottle of bulgarian Rakia that was handed to me from Sofia few days ago.

And the evidence is that the rapists spoke Russian - such a rare language in Ukraine...And those "civilians"...If a guy has a gun, he ain't no civilian.

Yes. I can. If "person" with such habits will be found between troops - most likely it will be not handed to military police. It will be executed by comrades and written off as a battle loss. Just because everyone have wifes and childrens at home, and such psycho with warped mind should not live near to them after end of war.

There have been plenty of names and places mentioned. And all of them will be catalogued and the evidence is being gathered as we sit typing here.

According to Amnesty International Russia committed 'a host of apparent war crimes' near the intersection of Yablunska and Vodoprovidna streets.

A Reuters investigation published a few days ago documented clues, including testimony and evidence focused on Yablunska Street, to the identities of individual Russian soldiers and military units present in Bucha. The units included the 76th Guards Air Assault Division, which the Amnesty report also found was present in the town.

Amnesty said it had documented 22 cases of unlawful killings by Russian forces - "most of which were apparent extrajudicial executions" - in Bucha and nearby areas.


As you can see, it's still being reported on. It won't be forgotten, I can assure you.


I don't read the gutter press.

It is not my problem. It is your problem. Read what you prefer, and accept consequences.

Neither will be the child in a town in Chernihiv region where Russian soldiers killed a young mother; her small child was taped to the mother's dead body with a mine between said bodies. When a Ukrainian soldier tried to save the still-alive child, the mine detonated. It was reported by Defense Minister Alexei Reznikov, as far as I can remember.

That's russiky mir for you. And I read a couple of days ago that as many as 100 bodies are found under each of destroyed blocks of flats in Mariupol; people cleaning the rubble are losing their minds because of the sheer horror of it. Nuremberg is waiting for the russian nazis - this genocide will not go unpunished.

So I was right - you ARE having a few drinks.


My goodness, somebody must have very long arms.

@Velund
Wait until Russians in general start getting attacked in the streets. Make no mistake it will happen. What then when Russian civilians are getting beaten and possibly killed? Will Russia and you Russian scum cry for it to stop while you continue to cheer for your baby raping and civilian murdering comrades?

Now, back to the question of evidence. It might surprise our Russian trolls to learn that not everybody accepts everything they read in the western press as absolute truth. If I read something that says 'the Ukrainian government claims' followed by 'our journalists were not able to independently verify this' then I reserve judgement until such time as I have further evidence.

Let me give you an example. Ukraine claims that at least 400 hospitals/healthcare facilities have been shelled and destroyed by Russian forces. The WHO has documented 200. So for me, that's 200. I believe that at least 200 hospitals have been destroyed. I'm waiting for corroborative evidence of the remaining 200.

Now Velund, do you accept that Russian forces have bombed and destroyed 200 hospitals in Ukraine?

I'm impressed at your patience in fielding the baby rape and stolen toilet questions. I have accepted that I am a subhuman orc, after fruitlessly trying to point out to people here that Russians carry within themselves the same blueprint as any other race.

Even in prison, child molesters and rapists are kept secluded, because even among thieves and murderers there is an understanding of decency. Not so in the Russian army! After a baby is successfully raped, customary festivities follow. Your wife can be expected to make a call to congratulate you on your sexual prowess. It may not be unusual for a colleague to present a looted toilet as token of admiration.

When America bombs Afghan weddings, Israel flattens Gaza's hospitals, or French soldiers rape Malinese women... à la guerre comme à la guerre.

Maybe this is why America doesn't ratify the Rome Statute and expose itself to the International Criminal Court? Too many awkward questions might follow. Truly - "for my friends everything, for my enemy - the law."

A very silly excuse. Not one the war crimes court will accept.


Somewhere, some time, this will certainly happen.

Just like antipod US, Russia is not subject to the ICC. So take your complaint about war crimes, fold it nicely, put it in an envelope, and mail it to the hospital in which you were born.

First, which kind of hospitals you mean? Many "polyclinical facilities" (i.e. buildings where family doctors accept patients) as well as schools and kindergartens (both not working anymore as a school or kindergarten) was used by AFU and national batallions as barracks, ammo storage and defense nodes. Such kind of "hospitals" and "schools" was attacked immediately once intelligence detected this kind of activity.


But very efficient in practice. Life of traitor or sick pervert on a front line can be surprisingly short. Especially if both sides use same weapons and ammo. ;)

Is that not a hospital?


And veranda very inefficient in court. Especially since the evidence is overwhelming and on too large a scale to dismiss as the work of one person.

If a building has patients and ammo, it's ammo storage, not a hospital.

Same sort of evidence as in Skripals case?


Buildings has ammo boxes in basement, barracks in first floor and sniper and machine gun "nests" in the attic and top floors. No patients or doctors anymore.

@Bobko
See it doesn't matter if Russia is or is not subject to the ICC. The law, and it is every country that has this law, states that once a person avails his or herself to the jurisdiction of the court, they are subject to that jurisdiction. Dumbing it down for you retards, meaning that if any of these Fing criminals step foot in a country that is a member of the ICC, they are subject to arrest and trial in the ICC simply by entering the jurisdiction. Easy enough for you?

So now explain to me why there are no criminal warrants out for Americans from prior wars if they were war criminals? Because the US military prosecuted their own war criminals. Russia will never do this, and it is why they will have their Nazi trial.

The chemical weapons attack carried out by Russians in Wiltshire? The evidence was rock solid and absolutely proven. There is no doubt at all what happened.

Same with the russian attack on the Malaysian passenger airliner. How many innocent people did the russians murder on that flight?

The evidence is enough to convince any court.

And yes, the filthy orcs have attacked hospitals, schools and a theatre with civilians in. They are scum, and we can see from your posts here that you are too,

Ukraine too, is not a member of the ICC, though it recognizes since 2013 it's jurisdiction to investigate alleged crimes committed on its territory. I suspect the reason no American has shown up in the ICC is because America will not release/extradite any of their military to stand trial there. Not because there is this superior confidence in American military tribunals, which routinely release war criminals. Same with Russia. A Ukrainian can certainly go and complain to the ICC, but Russia will never send the accused military person to be judged and sentenced.

ICC was created to punish small guys, of the 10-30M size. Serbians, Iraqis, Libyans, etc.

Hospitals running as care facilities with medical staff and patients present.


Evidence? And don't say Russian Intelligence.


Do they? And where? I know you have some weird electoral system in the USA which invariably ends up with a president that nobody seems to have voted for but thankfully that doesn't concern me.

Also murdered by scum russians...


An oxymoron given how badly they're doing...


They have no compunction about targeting civilians.

Fortunately they are losing badly.

@Bobko
Once again you show your stupidity. There is plenty of publicly available information on the trials, convictions and prison sentences of US war criminals prosecuted in the US. See the US prosecutes criminals, even when it may hurt their own interests publicly. Russia does not because Russia and Russians have no integrity.

America is not in control of who gets extradited you moron. If a person is charged in the ICC and they leave the US and go to a country that is a member of the ICC, that person can get arrested and there is nothing the US can do about it. Just like nothing Russia can do about it. Russia doesn't have to send anyone to the ICC, all that needs to happen is for the person to get caught outside of Russia. Ukraine doesn't have to be a member, all they have to do is allow the ICC to exercise action on a warrant in Ukraine and you can bet it will happen.

Like the Nazi's that were hunted, and are still being hunted, Russians will be hunted, found, tried, convicted and/or killed. A slow hanging publicly is what I hope for.