Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

@maf, I wouldn't know - I don't have Telegram :)

what you talking about? poland expressed willingness to direct involvement many times. remember idea of sending "peacemakers" troops? or provide ukra air force bases in poland? or creating safe zone in western ukraine,with polish troops in it?

but here is interesting development with conjunction to polish troops deployment. there is some really fast track bill proposed by zelensky to grant polish people in ukraine "special status"

by this law, according to some experts, Kyiv will legalize the presence of the Polish military on the territory of Ukraine, allowing them to fight as part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Poland then can send hundreds thousand of its military to Ukraine without involving NATO. they will simply join ukra army

@gregy741, as for some kind of NATO "peacemaking troops" - that was a surprising, unrealistic and rather loose proposal made by Kaczyński during his visit in Kyiv and it died pretty quickly. Talk is cheap, so I'm looking at actions.


What "experts"? :D


Sure :D
Oh, gregy... xD
😂

ohhh paulina i didnt say poland WILL sent hundredth of thousands, we dont even have 80k army . am talking about hypothetical possibility that this law could create.

THINK ABOUT IT. poles are sick rusophobic haters. many idiots would join ukra army for a chance to murder russian person. they need a law that would grant them immunity from prosecution and Geneva cover.

@gregy741, we don't even know any details of this future law or when it's going to be worked on and voted in. Apparently it's supposed to be similar to the special status that Ukrainian refugees have in Poland and a sign of gratitude from Ukraine to Poland:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/specjalny-status-dla-polakow-zelenski-zapowiada-ustawe-6771606061587424a

Ukrainian refugees in Poland have most of the rights that Polish citizens have, aside from the right to vote. You have to have Polish citizenship to be able to vote... and to join the Polish army. And they don't have Polish citizenship. So why would Ukraine give Ukrainian citizenship to all Poles? Can you join the proper Ukrainian army without Ukrainian citizenship?


I think you're sick in the head.
Also, according to a poll I've seen some time ago, there's no support among Polish society for sending Polish troops to Ukraine. I doubt anything changed in this respect.

So, we don't feel like "murdering Russian persons" lol
Unlike Russians, who are apparently very willing to invade Poland... 🙄

no details . but i find it strange to rush some insignificant "appreciation for poles " bill in a war time. bill granting special status for polish "displaced refugee" in ukraine??

isnt that strange? bet those polish refugees in ukraine will happen to be armed with guns... we see


yea right. i am polish myself and read "wykop" daily . i know what we are,and what we think about russians. and i am sick and disgusted abot it.

The russian propagandists like Bartlett, Phillips, Lancaster and others are part of a relentless RuSSist propaganda war. However this time, the Ukrainians are winning the info war just as they are winning the real war. Some of the russian propaganda is so fake as to be risible. Of course this could be part of the strategy too, to mask the more subtle stuff.


A huge difference. As you wrote, there are volunteers from.many countries (including russia) helping Ukraine. Such a contrast to the terrified conscripts sent at gunpoint by russia to be baked alive.


I would bet on that too. We shouldn't assume that this forum is immune from it.

Nope. For normal people it isn't strange at all.


I'm also Polish and I don't read "wykop". I also never wrote a comment there. Like many, many other Poles.

As I already wrote - according to a poll I've seen there's very little support among Poles for sending Polish troops to Ukraine. I don't remember exactly, but I think it was maybe something around 12%.

only because they soiling yellow in their armour. they only brave to murder from behind US soldierds back . like in Iraq they did.
do you think poland support ukraine because they like Ukrainians, or because its just? no. they do cus they hate Russians.
didnt bother no one in Poland,murdered kids in donbas.or yemeni kids starved or slaughtered iraqi.

We don't think that Yemen or Iraq are direct security threats

But the Russian leaders, in the rare moments they have been sober, have made clear they consider Poland somehow part of their sphere and a legitimate target.

Add to that there are still many people alive in Poland who remember how awful communism and martial law was and still old folk who remember the rapes and destruction of 1939

A bit further away. Of course China and Iran could stop funding their proxy war against KSA.


Again with huge russian interference.


A lot of sabre rattling from russia, however yes, they are so paranoid that they feel need a massive buffer zone.

I see you like to use word "murder" in case of Poles. Do you behave the same when you're writing about Russians? Are Russian soldiers "murdering" Ukrainian soldiers?


Meaning?
If there would be any Polish troops sent to Ukraine it would be only as part of NATO forces.


No.
First and foremost it's because they feel for Ukrainians and because it's in Poland's interest to have an independent Ukraine as a neighbour. And because it's morally right.

if they feel for Ukrainians,, Poland should press for ceasefire and diplomatic solution.all wars ends at negotiating table. the sooner it happens the better for Ukraine.

i saw how this gonna end in syria. many years of war and destruction ,and at the end Ukrainians will have to seat at the table. but then people will regret ,why they didnt negotiate years earlier. Poland and US IS happy to murder Russians and weaken Russia with the hands of Ukrainians.bot what Ukrainians will end up with?ruined country? IF YOU want good for ukraine,dont support confrontation and arming . support diplomacy

@gregy741


We can't decide for Ukrainians. It's their decision.


This one will probably too. But Ukrainians have to fight for good conditions at that negotiating table. Russia won't agree for anything out of their free will. So they have to be forced.


I do. The only diplomacy that Putin and his RuSSia understand. With the use of guns.

Camping shower from the empty tube of the British anti-tank complex NLAW

t.me/intelslava/29583

Kherson/Novorussia

t.me/intelslava/29605

🇷🇺 Liberators of Kherson: past and present

you are ignorant,know nothing about wars. and if such approach is implemented,, i can assure you ,this war will knock to your door

@mafketis

It is more normal to return the territory along the border, where your people live today, where your country was, than the American occupation of territories 5000 km away from you with which you have nothing to do.



Having said that, Russia should take minimum this, although the whole of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan should be taken, kozojebi can be shoved further south.

@gregy741, I'm not ignorant. I simply look at how Russia behaves in this war and I draw conlusions.


What "if"? It already is being implemented. There were negotiations taking place even though Russia didn't agree to a ceasefire. Russia didn't agree to a ceasefire even during Orthodox Easter. Zelensky wanted to meet with Putin, but Putin didn't agree.

So, Ukraine is fighting for it's independence on the battlefield.


I don't see why it would.

I hope they're wasting shill money on this forum, but I'd be surprised if it even rates a zombie troll (maybe cg)

Shills need a public platform (like a youtube channel) to be worth paying off...


I don't either (don't want an 'app' on my home computer, to quote Sarah Silverman.... what the c0сk is that sн\t? Especially a russian owned app... yikes.

But pretty much every link I've seen to telegram is something gross and violent, so..... lotta sickos out there...


How far south would you like to be pushed? into Albania?

So you're an imperialistc psycho. How "nice".

"All prisoners from Azovstal are held in the DPR, they will be judged by a tribunal on the territory of the republic." - the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin

i just saw vvideo of azov soldiers crucifying Russian pow. absolutely shocking
finally they will face some justice.

They probably are, and certainly have over the years. At least it bogs them down here where they're convincing nobody.

Some are amateurs though, a bit like the 'cybernats' that appeared online a few years back.


A lot of Ukrainians use it, and yes, I'd be worried about it being russian owned, also opening links and also things on Twitter, other social media. The Russians invest a lot of time, money and effort in this, Ukraine is doing the PR better though.

To get back to the actual war, it seems that certain politicians today are encouraging Ukraine to concede territory. This could be a feint, however either way it's worrying and they should have realised by now that Ukrainian resolve is almost boundless.

From the direction of Zaporozhye, a huge line of cars with women and children stands in Vasylevka, which was liberated by the Russian army. They are waiting for permission to enter. Many spend the night in cars, lighting fires. Everyone wants to go to the aggressor. And for some reason no one is returning to an "independent"Ukraine. What a paradox, huh?

twitter.com/JPL130574/status/1528320553806876672

Some of the first from the hotel "Azovstal". Crème de la crème of society, no doubt...

twitter.com/Vasilisa_2_0/status/1528452793765441541

Last time it was enough to have ~0.1% of population (a number of them was nationalistic geeks from western regions brought to Kiev by buses) to overthrow democratically elected government (bad or good - another matter, not related to due democratic procedures). And this was done with direct participation of top EU and US politicians. So, even 2% is enough to 20 Maidans. I think there is much more than 2% if it come to opportunity to get power on local level or steal something. ;)

Top joke of that day:

Gathered one day on the Maidan:
- Ambassadors of the United States, France, Spain, Germany, Denmark;
- Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland;
- U.S. Senators Chris Murphy and John McCain;
- German Foreign Minister - Guido Westerwelle;
- Catherine Ashton, European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy;
- former President of Georgia - Mikhail Saakashvili;
- Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans;
- Jacek Protasiewicz, MEP;
- Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevičius;
- Lithuanian Seimas Speaker - Loreta Graužinienė;
- Former Prime Minister of Poland - Jaroslaw Kaczynski;
- Senator Jaromir Stetina of the Czech Republic
and... accused Russia of interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine!

Polish President: The free world has the face of Ukraine

🤮

I feel like vomitting right on these poor American serfs who don't know how to put together two sentences without them being a copy of those classic American worn-out phrases that I guess we should all tremble at and spontaneously applaud, admiring the power of their message.

Someone posted a much longer video in the comments. According to that video it's the other way around - the Russian army is blocking the road out of Vasylevka - they won't let the cars leave (people want to leave, not enter):

Russian army has blocked the way out of Vasylevka:

youtu.be/9CXcOe7d738

Hear real russian soundtrack - this people bribed their way through ukrainian posts to move out of territory controlled by Kiev regime. And now have to wait until russian army will allow them to pass.

@Velund, I can't listen to the whole video now - in which moment (which minute) in the video do they say that?

Velund?

The only time when he's talking to someone is in 0:51 of the video. I think he's asking what for are they standing there or sth? One lady answers, but I don't understand everything. I only understood that they left Zaporizhzhia after monday, I think (?). After that they're talking for a short while about water being poured and given to them (?).

At what moment is she saying anything about bribing anyone?

Here's an article about this situation from the 19th of May:

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-1000-aut-zablokowanych-akcja-rosjan-w-zaporozu,nId,6035807

On the Russian checkpoint in Vasylevka there are around 1000 cars blocked trying to get out from the occupied part of Zaporizhzhia area. They're trying to get into the territory controlled by Ukrainians. This is the only checkpoint in the area through which they can get out. They've been waiting in this line for a few days and they ran out of food.

So, it's exactly the opposite of what Crnogorac3 claimed! Wow...

(and in the article it's the same video that was posted by Crnogorac3)

It almost always is. What do you expect from a self-described "kozojeb"?