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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3



pawian
15 Oct 2022  #4291

but he is doing the right thing by Ukraine.

And that`s what he will be remembered for by grateful future generations. His domestic politics, a piece of cake compared to the history which is happening in Europe now, will pass into oblivion and only the fact he contained the Evil Mongol empire will matter.

Ams already have the Ronald Reagan air carrier. One day they will have Joe Biden one, too.
You should kneel down every time when you utter his name. Otherwise, sb might think you are one ungrateful renegade American migrant to Europe.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Oct 2022  #4292

Steel helmets?

Haven't you heard?

The German air defense complex IRIS-T is already operating in the southern front

babel.ua/en/news/85669-the-german-air-defense-complex-iris-t-is-already-operating-in-the-southern-front

GefreiterKania
15 Oct 2022  #4293

Ukraines only true friends are the US,UK and Poland.

USA has vital strategic interest in containing Russia, Poland is basically helping herself, and the UK stood alone against Hitler so they sympathise with Ukraine who stands alone against Putler.

So, apparently, UKs motivation is the most noble one. Go figure :)

The German air defense complex IRIS-T is already operating in the southern front

Finally. And this should be only the start of more substantial German help, if the EU leaders want to retain some credibility and make up for feeding the putinist beast for years.

mafketis
15 Oct 2022  #4294

he wants to find a path to peace that is realistic.

There is only path to peace that is realistic.... russian defeat followed by decolonization and demilitarization.

Any kind of "negotiated" settlement will be used by russia to rest, rearm and attack again in the future.

People thought a few weak sanctions after the invasion of Crimea and Donbas in 2014 and then the Minsk agreements were a reasonable path to peace... how did that work out?

Crow
15 Oct 2022  #4295

There is only path to peace that is realistic.... russian defeat

Oh how deeply you are deluded.

What Russian defeat?

Don`t you see that NATO and EU already have to deal with the rest of humanity, not just with Russia, if wants to win? Look where are Russia`s resources re-directed from Europe. More pressure on Russia is now more pressure on those new routes. Can you compute that? Are you able? Are you? And NATO and EU can`t deal with Russia sole. Plus, in those new routes count USA and Britain. At least partially. For now. See? There is the enemy from within for NATO and EU. Or to translate you, western Europe is sadly alone and about to become Masai Mara of Europe. Oasis of green. Somebody have to care for nature and Greta.

mafketis
15 Oct 2022  #4296

What Russian defeat?

The one that's happening now... hadn't you heard how some general yelled at putain back in September : "Вы проиграли, владимир владимирович!" "Vy proigrali Vladimir Vladimirovich!" (You've lost, Vladimir Vladimirovich!"

Why do you think the usual russian assets are calling for negotiations? Because they're being told to....

cms neuf
15 Oct 2022  #4297

I think lots of other democracies have been very supportive of Ukraine - Japan, Canada, Australia, all of Eastern Europe except the insane Serbs and vile Orban

A disappointment for me is that important democracies in the developing world have not been 100 percent behind the Ukies in a colonial war - India, Argentina and South Africa for example

Kashub1410
15 Oct 2022  #4298

@Crow
You are literally crazy, if Russia wins this war. It would start a trend that ALL powers in any conflict can and "should" rape/pillage/murder/bombard civillians en masse and disregard any forms of rules in warfare or discipline.

You are basically wanting all powers on earth to turn in to muhahedins! Tfu tfu! I spit on you!

And you call yourself Serbian? Muhajehin scum

Crow
15 Oct 2022  #4299

You guys became really aggressive. Seek ways to calm yourself.

I didn`t saw you react this way when USA and after all NATO and EU leading powers used to police the world, most often in a most bestial ways. And even this in Ukraine is what NATO and EU orchestrated.

So, no matter you want to prove something, I only see that you people just grew up with directed hate.

cms neuf
15 Oct 2022  #4300

Russian reservists have to buy their own armor. Only that prices went up from 12.000 rubles to 40.000 rubles

And who is selling it ? Why if course it is army officers and regime thieves who have access to the factory

What is jaw dropping is that rather than rising up against these thieves, the ignorant conscripts just get on the bus and go to the front

mafketis
15 Oct 2022  #4301

rather than rising up against these thieves

russians are passive and obedient (that is, they are cowards) and would rather die in pain on the front than confront someone higher than them in the chain of command....

cms neuf
15 Oct 2022  #4302

Yes and that is why we can't let such a primitive slave society to conquer free people

johnny reb
15 Oct 2022  #4303

Putin recently ordered the mobilization of a "doomsday" nuclear submarine startling close to mainland Europe as Russia ramps up their efforts to take Ukraine.
Bet me that London is Putin's primary target.

Cojestdocholery
15 Oct 2022  #4304

to provide Starlink anymore.....

He got paid for it. He got a good press for free and money and now Russians must have paid him too.
Anyway you in the USA have a real problem with your oligarh on the loose, can you even control them. The amount of money they have means that can do a lot of harm as money - power.

At least we are sending now some of the real useful stuff over..

It must be painful for your ruling class, they loved their deals with Russia and miss them a lot.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Oct 2022  #4305

It must be painful for your ruling class,

....painful, confusing and embarrassing!

PolAmKrakow
15 Oct 2022  #4306

@Cojestdocholery
Relax. Musk will use Starlink to negotiate a better deal with the US for SpaceX. This is all calculated. Musk shouldn't stick his nose into politics I agree, but Z needs to not bite the hand that feeds him. Everyone can have an opinion, Z should have voiced his privately.

More movement toward Kherson and more Orc's in body bags this morning.

What Russian defeat?

The defeat they are experiencing in Ukraine. You know the one where all the Orcs are dying. The one where the world can now see what happens in a traditional war with modern weapons against old USSR bull$hit.

Tacitus
15 Oct 2022  #4307

painful, confusing and embarrassing!

This war will cause (economic) hardship and pain down the line for everyone in Europe.

Cojestdocholery
15 Oct 2022  #4308

but Z needs to not bite the hand that feeds him.

It is not Musk that feeds him.

cms neuf
15 Oct 2022  #4309

Putin won't blow up London for the simple reason that that is where a lot of the stolen money is

I don't know who's turn it will be to be Prime Minister next, but they will hopefully confiscate as much stolen Russian money as possible and use it to rebuild Ukraine

PolAmKrakow
15 Oct 2022  #4310

@Cojestdocholery
Without musk there is no internet, no high tech military connectivity. With billionaires, you are best off to let them satisfy their own agenda unless you can be an indispensable part of that agenda.

Cojestdocholery
15 Oct 2022  #4311

Without musk there is no internet, no high tech military connectivity.

He got paid for it. Now he ask to be paid again for the same deal. I get it that Ukrianins are crap in diplomacy in a way but I have no sympaty for oligarchs no matter they came from. As soon as they use thier money to meddle into politicks they should have their ass kicked and their ego put in place.

PolAmKrakow
15 Oct 2022  #4312

@Cojestdocholery
No he did not get paid. That is the point. Musk has been footing the bill since the war began. Get your facts straight.

johnny reb
15 Oct 2022  #4313

A missile strike seriously damaged a key energy facility in Ukraine's capital region, the country's power system as the Russian military strove to cut water and electricity in populated areas.

My prayers go out for all those who are suffering from this horrible brutality.

Cojestdocholery
15 Oct 2022  #4314

Musk has been footing the bill since the war

For what? You mean he did not charge for usage of his system. Starlinks been paid for USA paid 80 mln$ and Poland paid 20 mln $. While that ego jerk basked in a glory of big humanitrian helper. I would say that a good press and some PR he got for the half a year for free was enough to get his money worth.

Oh but no, the dick don't know when to stop.
You know once you have technology in place it doesn't cost that much just to use it. He is greedy.

No scratch that . His software helped Ukrianie a lot but still it doesn't give him right to meddle by taking Russia side. It rise the question did he get better offer from Moscow.

PolAmKrakow
15 Oct 2022  #4315

@Cojestdocholery
It noted a press release sent by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), sent on April 5, 2022, which stated how the government agency had "delivered 5,000 Starlink Terminals to the Government of Ukraine through a public-private partnership with the American aerospace manufacturer, SpaceX, a private sector donation valued at roughly $10 million."

"SpaceX donated 3,667 terminals and the internet service itself, and USAID purchased the additional 1,333 terminals."

Musk is not making a deal with Putin. There is no benefit for Musk. He is using pressure to get the US to pay for service, or give him more discounts for SpaceX.

pawian
15 Oct 2022  #4316

This war will cause (economic) hardship and pain down the line for everyone in Europe.

Yes, but as long as it is much harder and more painful for RuSSians, I am in.

Korvinus
15 Oct 2022  #4317

There seems to be a big Ukrainian attack... or something... going on in Kherson. Says the people on Twitter.
But also some action further east.
twitter.com/user/status/1581263386683195392
I see a new delivery of HARM missiles has arrived. Good hunting, Ukrainians!

So much for spoiled brat Elon Musk. Probably Washington told him that such tantrums may end badly for his companies' chances of winning any governmental contracts in foreseeable future.

twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651

pawian
15 Oct 2022  #4318

Probably Washington told him that such tantrums may end badly for his

Good. Let`s hope he learnt the lesson.

I see a new delivery of HARM missiles has arrived

Even better. Let`s hope Mongols are taught even a bigger lesson than Musk.

johnny reb
15 Oct 2022  #4319

I see a new delivery of HARM missiles has arrived.

Defense Secretary signaled this week that the U.S. and its Western allies are having trouble keeping pace with Ukraine's demand for the advanced weaponry it needs to fend off Russia's invasion.

That signal reflects dwindling supplies for Ukraine and fear in the White House of escalation that could lead to war between the U.S. and Russia.

To many people making big money to let this war end.

pawian
15 Oct 2022  #4320

war between the U.S. and Russia.

How come???


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