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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3



Joker
22 Oct 2022  #4,561

I don't defend Russia.

Why doesnt NATO do more to help instead of relying on the USA all the time? I hope the new Congress put the brakes on all this printing of money to defend the Ukraine. Let the Europeans pay for their defense its their backyard. Are we supposed to deplete our stockpile of weapons and leave ourselves defenseless?

Novichok
22 Oct 2022  #4,562

Why doesnt NATO do more to help instead of relying on the USA all the time?

Good question, Joker. To make things even worse, the PF slime uses "we" while fully aware that "we" is only one country doing all the heavy lifting - the US. Without the US, they are nothing but a bunch of gutless soft pussies happily spending all their money on "social services" to make their countries the happiest places on earth. Like Denmark.

Well, happy freezing, bit*ches...Buy more blankets...

johnny reb
22 Oct 2022  #4,563

Why doesnt NATO do more to help instead of relying on the USA all the time?

I agree, it's time Europe steps it up for a change.

Novichok
22 Oct 2022  #4,564

The US should simply leave NATO and all other "mutual" defense treaties. "Mutual" my ass...
You want our protection? Fine. That will be X billion per year with Y billion upfront.

Paulina
22 Oct 2022  #4,565

@Joker, the US is getting involved because RuSSia isn't some insignificant, little country in the middle of nowhere. RuSSia positioned itself as the rival of the US on the world stage and RuSSia's strengthening by annexing strategical lands with resources isn't something that is going to be ignored.

And I'm talking now only from the pragmatic, practical perspective, ignoring the moral and humanitarian aspect.

Let the Europeans pay for their defense its their backyard.

I bet you would be saying the same thing before the attack on Pearl Harbor if you lived during WWII.

Allowing Hitler to annex Czechoslovakia and Poland strenghtened Nazi Germany's industry and war machine making it even more powerful. By strengthening Nazi Germany the alliance of the Axis powers was strenghtened.

RuSSia isn't alone in it's appetite for "world domination". It's natural, anti-Western ally is China and other countries that are not particularly fond of the US.

So, lack of action now may have consequences in the future. Don't they teach you history in the US?

Why doesnt NATO do more to help instead of relying on the USA all the time?

What do you mean? The US is the biggest and most powerful NATO country, so it's logical that it's helping more than, let us say, Denmark. But all kinds of NATO countries are helping. Some even more than one could expect based on their size and capabilities, like the Czech Republic or Poland.

AntV
22 Oct 2022  #4,566

Name a robust deterrent and I'll give my best guess...

All NATO countries spending the compulsory GDP % on defense would be a start. Not doing things like pulling the rug out from under missile defense in NATO's Eastern flank. Setting up more bases in Eastern flank. Maybe establish more naval bases in Baltic and in places like Bulgaria. Support for the 3 Seas Initiative. Leaders not making stupid remarks like "If Russia unleashes a nuke, we won't retaliate (Macron)", "if Russia invades it'll be a small skirmish (Biden)" "Nuclear armageddon (Biden)".

Things along those lines.

This idea that Russia must dissolve or be made in the image of the West are not merely fantasy, but the type of things that would force a desperate autocrat to do something unthinkably desperate--it no longer would be about regional hegemony but existence.

johnny reb
22 Oct 2022  #4,567

I bet you would be saying the same thing before the attack on Pearl Harbor

Please elaborate on that remark.
I am still on my first cup of coffee.

PolAmKrakow
22 Oct 2022  #4,568

@Novichok
Orc roast comments are specifically for you and your old war references. Since you wont let go of those, I make sure you get a dose of Orc roast each time. Enjoy. Time to go turn the spit. As for Montenegro, they are taking all volunteers and giving Russian citizenship. Crnog just not man enough to go.

@Paulina
I would only say that Russia wants to be the rival of the US. They really ae not because they are not close to the level of the US. The only think that keeps Russia relevant is they have nukes. Thats it. other wise it is an irrelevant and backward nation that is just barely above the level of Zimbabwe.

Crnogorac3
22 Oct 2022  #4,569

youtu.be/ZpHmlnd83hw

Novichok
22 Oct 2022  #4,570

But all kinds of NATO countries are helping.

Bullsh*it. Based on population, Poland should have sent 20,000 men to Iraq, not 200.

As for Montenegro, they are taking all volunteers and giving Russian citizenship.

How did you know that they are retards? Did you see their med records?

This idea that Russia must dissolve or be made in the image of the West are not merely fantasy,

Your logical posts must be so annoying to the "nuke 'em" and "roast 'em" idiots. You are a cruel man, AntV.

Paulina
22 Oct 2022  #4,571

@Novichok, I meant Poland helping Ukraine. This is what this thread is all about :)

I would only say that Russia wants to be the rival of the US.

Yes, badly.

They really ae not because they are not close to the level of the US.

They'd like to be though. Of course, they're going about it in a completely wrong way. I guess Putin thought that he'll make RuSSia more powerful by recreating the Soviet Union.

mafketis
22 Oct 2022  #4,572

I don't defend Russia.

A new infantile excuse!

After being caught sneaking up behind another kid with a big rock in his hand: I wasn't even gonna hit him!

moral outrage

Some of us have a sense of morality.... and some of us don't.

pawian
22 Oct 2022  #4,573

This idea that Russia must dissolve or be made in the image of the West are not merely fantasy,

Now you are talking like a wise guy. I mean sensibly.

The US should simply leave NATO and all other "mutual" defense treaties

Don`t be silly. If they do, they will lose Europe and drop to a power level, instead of a superpower. Stop suggesting such idiocy to your fellow Ams.

Cojestdocholery
22 Oct 2022  #4,574

so what does it have to do with KatyƄ?

Don't ask he is a stupid sh''t, nothing to see, needs to be avoied because it stinks.

Bratwurst Boy
23 Oct 2022  #4,575

Hard to imagine, but what do we know!

According to former State Duma deputy Ilya Ponomaryov, several guerrilla groups are operating in Russia that are trying to overthrow Putin.

merkur.de/politik/oppositioneller-russe-russland-ukraine-sturz-wladimir-putin-hilfe-freiwilligenarmeen-91868308.html

...The Russian Ilya Ponomarev is known to the public for two things in particular: in 2014 he was the only Russian MP to vote against the annexation of Crimea - and during the Ukraine war, after the murder of the right-wing political scientist Darya Dugina, he announced that a guerrilla movement called the "National Republican Army" was behind it. In a conversation with the US online newspaper Newsweek , he emphasized that Vladimir Putin 's 70th birthday was also his last.

.....

It was doubted whether the authorship could actually lie with this previously unknown organization or whether it even existed. Ponomaryov told the US newspaper Newsweek in an interview published on Thursday that the NRA is not the only guerrilla group operating in Russia. As further examples he named "Black Bridge" or the "Militant Organization of Anarcho-Communists" - there are also right-wing groups in Russia, one is in contact with "many" of these groups.

These are so-called grassroots organizations, and about half of all attacks in Russia take place "without coordination". "There are certain principles and people come to them to be part of something, but many people just do their attacks on their own without any coordination," said the exiled Russian. ....


....with all military men and stuff concentrated in Ukraine....now would be the best time for a coup! On the other hand...without a unified leadership and a plan behind them they won't amount to much more than a cloud of flies around a heap of sh*it.

PolAmKrakow
23 Oct 2022  #4,576

As Kherson is about to fall back to Ukraine, all the Orc's have been ordering civilians to leave Kherson immediately. The mighty Orc army cannot hold Kherson. Its amazing isn't it, how often maps were published here by the Putinazi's and Orc supporters at the beginning of the war. So much bragging over the Orc's controlling 20% of Ukraine and how that is "winning". Now all these dumb Fvcks are silent or just popping in to throw a few one liners or comparisons to war's gone by. Like Putin they hide now, pathetic and weak, in their basements just waiting for something to break their way so they can come out and talk tough again. Pitiful is the losers life, then again, every Russian already knows this as they always have been losers.

An oligarchs son was one of five arrested trying to violate sanctions on semiconductors and other sanctioned items through a "front" company in Italy. Now sitting in jail, the Orc's are butt hurt over one of their citizens being locked up. Funny how sensitive everyone gets when their family members are in lock up. Happy gulag biatches!

johnny reb
23 Oct 2022  #4,577

I meant Poland helping Ukraine. This is what this thread is all about :)

LOL - Seriously Paulina ?
Let me rephrase that, "This is what this thread is 'supposed' to be all about."
After huge orders for tanks, long-range howitzers and FA 50 light fighters, Poland has just ordered Chunmoo rocket launchers from Seoul, Korea.
A Polish-Korean contract in Warsaw for the supply of 288 K239 Chunmoo surface-to-surface missile launchers just got approved.
These are missile sets for destroying land targets armed with guided missiles with a range of tens to hundreds of kilometers.
Interesting as where would these potential targets be located ?
The first of the missiles are expected to arrive in Poland next year.

Novichok
23 Oct 2022  #4,578

Like Putin they hide now, pathetic and weak,

Nobody is hiding. Repeating the same thing is just tiring and debating idiots even more.
This war is made in Washington, DC. Z is just their useful idiot. How it will end is another matter. The main point is that is was avoidable since what Russia wanted was reasonable: neutrality and self-determination.

Z and P were set to start negoting in April. Then the DC scum realized that the master plan of subjugating Russia to make it into another American wh*ore would be derailed.

No negotiations.

That is why Russia has no practical options now and the Western scum knows it. Yet, it keeps on pushing a nuclear power into a corner because if we don't, Russia will be Lisbon.

Sure, morons...Have it both ways: weak but capable of conquering the "West". I guess to get more faggots and illegals. What a thrill...

Korvinus
23 Oct 2022  #4,579

Pretty sweet video right here - an Ukrainian sniper taking out orks at 1200 metres with a thermal sight. Its kinda crazy how advanced this tech is nowadays, as you can see the scope not only has a laser rangefinder that corrects for range, but also seems to be able to measure wind (perhaps its linked to some other device such as Kestrel) and correct for that too. Sh*it almost looks easy with tech like that.

funker530.com/video/nsfw-ukrainian-sniper-engages-russian-infantry-through-flir-at-1200-meters/

PolAmKrakow
23 Oct 2022  #4,580

@Novichok
The problem is Russia had no right to expect anything. Ukraine is entitled to make its own laws, and Russia has no standing to request any referendum or anything else. So the basis for every one of your arguments is an illegal one.

So what. Yes, its a proxy war. Russia needs to be beaten down like the rabid dog it is. Rabid and retarded. Russia can't even beat the west in a proxy war, imagine how badly they would lose in a real war with NATO. But you picked your side. Democracy is not perfect, and there are fags everywhere, but Democracy is better than anything Russia is or has ever been.

Novichok
23 Oct 2022  #4,581

he problem is Russia had no right to expect anything.

That's what negotiations are for. The US did many things it had no right to do so quit that childish "right" bs.

But you picked your side.

I didn't pick sides. Just reacting to the globalist slime and their efforts to make us all slaves to the New World Order. That is why I enjoy seeing China, Russia, and even North Korea with their middle fingers up in the air.

mafketis
23 Oct 2022  #4,582

what Russia wanted was reasonable

As demonstrated by this..... in which an executive of RT suggests drowning Ukrainian children or burning them alive....

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504

Novichok
23 Oct 2022  #4,583

in which an executive of RT suggests drowning Ukrainian children or burning them alive....

The Brits and the Americans didn't suggest burning children alive in Dresden. They DID it.
So take a napkin and wipe your fake tears.
Oops...I forgot Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

pawian
23 Oct 2022  #4,584

This war is made in Washington, DC.

BS. Ukrainians are fighting to retain their independence, that`s all and the West is only helping them.
RuSSists made a mistake believing the West wouldn`t lift a finger for Ukrainians. Now they are paying for it. And the final payment will take place when RuSSia disintegrates.

They DID it.

Darling, don`t be such a historical ignoramus - that was a total war which Nazis had started and it was their idea to burn people in sieged Warsaw in 1939 and in other capitals later on. So, Americans and Brits only paid Nazis their dues.

You are playing a fool again, Mr Attention Sicker ???. :):):)

Korvinus
23 Oct 2022  #4,585

Now I understand why nobody bat an eye at bombing of Dresden and rapes in Germany by soviet soldiers. It's not about retribution or hating the Germans. People simply had too much of personal tragedies to process, of course nobody would care about tragedies of invaders. Especially since those same civilian people were cheering for german victories just a couple of years ago.

As for me, I spit on current russian fuhrer who started this war. And on people who support it and those who supported Crimea in 2014. But retribution will come in some form. Trust me.

pawian
23 Oct 2022  #4,586

RT suggests drowning Ukrainian children

Those RuSSists are becoming sicker and sicker each day. Polam described them correctly : rabid dogs. I hope the civil war in RuSSia will annihilate the most scum there.


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