Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

Polls had Hilary wining against Trump, so polls saying Russia would win are just as reliable.

Trial of Putin will not happen. He either dies, or its negotiated away. There will be no trial no way. Spending money and time on an absentia trial would be seen as a joke on the level of the last three impeachment trials in the US. Wastes of time and money.

And to say that none of this would have happened if Russia wasn't so hellbent on pushing military conquest when they could have had strong economic relationship with Ukraine and kept their promises. Pretty sure Ukraine would have been their best associate.

liveuamap.com/en/2022/3-november-ukrainian-military-liberated-mala-seidemynukha

Ukrainian military liberated Mala Seidemynukha in Kherson region​

Dreamer.


You hey do.But will never get it.


A very poor argument Rich, when you totally ignore the coercian involved.

The polls show sad trends - Republicans gradually withdraw their support for Ukraine while Democrats stay the same. Amasing how views can change over decades. Once Repubs were decent, today they are azholes. And we can see it in the forum, too, in their supporters.

@pawian
You make some very general assumptions in you opinions. Republicans "gradually" withdraw support? Not likely. Republicans will want more oversight, and thats a good thing. Even better if they want more troops in Europe to protect US interests. There are about 7 weeks left before the winter slowdown on fighting begins, there will be a natural slowdown then, and crazy woke news will play it as the Republicans stopping funding instead of freezing weather slowing fighting.

Please stop making inane posts like that without backing it up with evidence!


Another unsubstantiated post!


That's all he does.

Pawian just hates any politicians that are right of centre.
In England he would be called one of the North London Metropolitan champagne socialists.
I'm all right Jack and did you all!

It's a very good argument. If the outcome under the best of conditions is predictable, discussing the Russian army, intimidation, and other such factors is pure waste of time and serves only as a defelction from the core fact that a majority wanted to join Russia. One more time...

The United Nations Development Programme conducted a series of polls in Crimea between 2009 and 2011 about the question of leaving Ukraine and joining Russia with a sample size of 1,200:

Quarter Yes No Undecided
2009 Q3[34] 70% 14% 16%
2009 Q4[34] 67% 15% 18%
2010 Q1[35] 66% 14% 20%
2010 Q2[35] 65% 12% 23%
2010 Q3[35] 67% 11% 22%
2010 Q4[35] 66% 9% 25%
2011 Q4[36] 65.6% 14.2% 20.2%

It is not about russophilia, but about hatred for the globalist evil that is destroying us all. Most of the "russophiles" on the forum are very aware of all the flaws and weaknesses of Russia, no one sees it as a paradise on earth, but as the only real fighter against the globohomo sect at the moment. Because of the blind and irrational hatred of Russia, the Poles put themselves in the service of that sect.

@Novichok
A sample size of 1200 is not representative of anything more than random phone calls to people who just moved to Crimea from Russia. That is not a referendum or anything close to real numbers of voters. That said, in peace time, if there were a real vote, and it had oversight, and it went in Russia's direction, then it is what it is.

@Crnogorac3
No one see's Russia as anything more than an oppressive cluster fvck. Russia is not a bear, it is a biatch. The Russian military is a joke. Fighting against goblohomo? The Muslims have been doing that for more than a half century, Christians have been doing it for centuries, Republicans and centrists have been doing it forever. You have a real fvcked up view of the real world and what is really happening. The only globohomo threat is posed by the far left extremists.

youtu.be/xQ87VMa_YDE

Retired US army colonel Douglas Macgregor

Insanity

@Crnogorac3
Funny how just yesterday Russia itself released GDP data saying their economy has contracted 5% in just the last quarter. Also funny how Russia has made purchases from North Korea via Iran for weapons because they are running so low.

WTF is this idiot allowed to keep posting clearly untrue information here? You dont need morons like this for forum activity, all it does is pi$$ of people that actually have intelligence who want to engage in debate with other opposing and intelligent people. It is this kind of person that keeps other from joining the debate who stumble upon PF. Really baffled by this PF policy.

Why are you posting that fake so called UNDP poll again / I already told you that never happened

In fact I think I will write to their press office and tell them drunk Russians are using their name in vain and tell them to correct Wikipedia - that will be my bit for the war effort today (along with helping the Ukies crowd fund some tanks to help defend democracy

Then show me what is representative. Until then, this stands.
Besides, if voters were threatened to vote YES, out of 275,000 who did vote, Western "democracies" would love to have at least a dozen at hearings in Congress or some other international body. If you know of any such testimonies, please let us know.


That's not how it works in life and in law. The accuser has the burden of proof. You and others here are the accusers. You accuse Russia of conducting a flawed and, therefore, invalid referendum. You have the burden of proof, Duh!

The Republicans claimed that the last elections were stolen. They failed to prove it. The other side didn't have to do anything. Duh, again.

@Novichok
Crimea population was well over 2 million when those poles were allegedly taken. 1200 is not representative of a real sample of the population. A vote was never taken until after the little green men invaded saying they were not Russian army. That was 2014. Nearing 2023 none of that data, even if it was a fair representation, holds any water at this point. I would even say that any vote taken in all of Ukraine today would not be legal so as not for anyone to say I am biased. Voting can only take place openly, and under observation of all concerned parties as well as neutral parties where these kinds of issues are involved.

Lets call a cease fire in Ukraine for a year. Russia leaves back to pre 2014 lines, then a full vote of all Ukraine on these issues is taken under the guidance of the US and other neutral parties. What ever the outcome it is done. The problem is neither side would agree to that. Therefore, someone has to die before this can end.

I'm not an accuser, I'm an observer. I'm pointing out that, for easily verifiable and objective reasons, the "referendum" wasn't valid and so the question of how people would have voted had it been valid is a moot, irrelevant point.

Give it up, Darrell, Crimea belongs legally to Ukraine and its future can only be discussed once it is returned to Ukraine.

The Republicans tried to prove it in a large number of legal cases, with judges, evidence, both sides represented etc - a proper legal process.

Russia has not had any proper legal process for decades - that is one of the things this was is about, the Ukrainians don't want to go back to living like slaves

Description of the brutality of Russian occupiers in Kherson - public hangings and firing at demonstrators.

ft.com/content/99349f01-c587-4ab4-86df-85ff3c0fcd3b

Justice will catch up with them soon.

Do you know what holiday today in Russia is?
The most based holiday in the world of course.

Its Independence from Poland day!

youtu.be/AetydkN5Y2Y

2022.11.04 Masks Off

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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇲 23-year-old American mercenary James Greggs was killed in Ukraine. He served in the "International Legion" as a machine gunner in the Kharkov region.

Eliminated by Russian artillery fire

t.me/intelslava/40585

Another one bites the dust. Does the CIA fund his "buying the farm"?

The Zelensky regime denies all burial expenses, even though he is a billionaire thanks to Victoria Nuland's generous dispersal of US tax dollars.

@Crnogorac3, it's funny (and sad and pathetic) how you always get so excited because of one Westerner getting killed while thousands of RuSSian soldiers have been killed already...


He wasn't a mercenary, but a volunteer. Men from the Wagner Group who are fighting in Ukraine are the real mercenaries. They've been sent by RuSSia to Ukraine even though being a mercenary is illegal according to the RuSSian law. What's more, Prigozhin have been recruiting criminals from RuSSian prisons to fight in Ukraine, including murderers. So, you're supporting a thuggish country that's sending human scum to fight for them in an illegal war. Disgusting.

Assumptions based on polls which prove that Repubs` and their voters` support for Ukraine is gradually eroding. It seems that Putin`s gang prayers for the end of US involvement bring effect.

msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/gop-officials-voters-both-want-less-support-ukraine-rcna55491

In March, a Wall Street Journal poll found that only 6% of Republicans thought the U.S. was doing too much to support Ukraine. Now, that number has soared to 48%.

That is why I commented on Repubs as azholes. They don`t understand basic things - helping Ukraine today will spare the US bigger expenses in the future.

Fortunately, Mr President Biden the Great Messiah is at the helm and he is doing the right thing.

PS. I know why Repubs act like azholes - they try to belittle and diminish everything what Mr President Biden the Great Messiah is doing.

A completely idiotic comment.

Talking about Cronongrac3 PolamKrakow said this;


He has.

Again, responding to the.despicable Cronongrac3, Pauline said;


Absolutely right!

Hats off for logical thinking. RuSSists and rightards can only dream of achieving such mastery.

Your pathetic left wing extremism sees no difference between Russian Nazis and right wing freedom lovers?
Really?
Please grow up, you have the politics of a child!

I didn't know Russia has a Nazi party.

MUST WATCH !

RITTER has major credentials involved from beginning in Gulf War One planning,
Macgregor has similar history
and lot of books he authored.

youtu.be/ZIr44mGMkfc

RITTER IS TOTALLY DISGUSTED

BUCHA IS A WAR CRIME BY UKRAINE ENGLAND/UK, removed
from twitter again "12 hours later".

" ENGLAND " PATHETIC LITTLE EXCUSE OF A NATION

NORD STREAM DESTROYED BY ENGLAND

" BRITISH " PEOPLE TO PAY

ALL FOOD LEAVING ODESSA HEADED TO BRITISH MARKETS

STARVE FREEZE DARK

RUSSIA GREAT NATION , ENGLAND WILL PAY A PRICE

@pawian
Your quoting MSNBC a far-left news outlet to use in an argument over Republicans alleged eroding support of the war is like using a Porsche commercial to say that Ferrari is no longer as fast as it used to be. MSNBC is one of the least credible sources of information. MSNBC is easily argued to be the most extreme far left news agency in the US. The same MSNBC that reported polls saying Clinton would beat Trump handily, the same agency that poured on all the hype and fear mongering of COVID. When you make an argument, maybe try to use opposing facts from more neutral agencies. Support from most Republicans and many Democrats wants to see more oversight. Its also what most Americans want because well it is our US tax dollars paying for it. Nothing wrong with oversight and accountability. No one is going to walk away from Ukraine unless Ukraine starts selling weapons on the black market.

Meanwhile, in the real war, the US is sending more weapons, and is committing more US soldiers to stay in the EU. Poland in particular is more and more likely to become the HQ for the US in the EU. They say there is more than 20K soldiers in Poland right now, and the soldiers I talk to in Krakow are saying that numbers is not even close that it is much larger.

The thing about the US, when the nation is directly at war, or assisting in a war, they do not abandon their partners. It just does not happen. Even when Presidents transfer power to incoming elected Presidents, there is an unwritten rule that the new administration does not just pull out. Biden extended things in Afghanistan even after Trump ordered the withdraw. While the withdraw was completely fvcked up, it was not something that was done in an overnight decision. Even if the Republicans take the house, Ukraine will still get the support they need. Everyone knows what is at stake here. Letting Putin win simply is not in the cards.

🇺🇲 The Trumpist Republican promises that if the Republicans win, Ukraine will not receive a cent. All money will go to the needs of the United States.

t.me/intelslava/40567

Under the Republicans, Ukraine will not see even a cent.

LMFAO she does not represent anyone in Republican leadership and speaks for no one. A Fvktard through and through, but at least we know who you follow and believe. Takes one to know one I guess.

@PolAmKrakow
If that's true, then it's a person trying to become more important then one actually is by making such videos. To their peers, such a person cannot be counted much upon as it's a media mouthpiece and can only be told information to spread it as rumours.

Not a reliable source of information. More like a starting point so as to find out what's going on I guess

Intel Slava Z

🇷🇺🇺🇲🇺🇳 The UN Security Council did not adopt a draft Russian resolution on the establishment of a commission to investigate US military biological activities in Ukraine.

The draft did not get the required nine votes out of 15. Russia and China voted "for" the resolution, while the United States, Britain, and France voted against it. The rest of the countries abstained

"Democracy" at work once again. Jewish controlled governments objected

Drug-resistant TB and airborne Rabies research needs to be investigated before it is too late

video

Intel Slava Z

�������� Ukraine doesn't seem to exist, West throws Ukrainians into furnace - Putin

Graves of ukrop cannon fodder. These troops died for jews/globalism, and trying to force Anal on the decent traditional people of the Donbass

t.me/intelslava/40590