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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4



mafketis
27 Jan 2023  #2971

Singapore has a dictator and subjects who have no rights or dignity...

At least the cruddy semi-dictators in Singapore provide citizens with a first world lifestyle... unlike third-world-russia...

if you read the Telegraph or WSJ, then you will learn that most institutions in Poland are staffed by PiS loyalists

why would I read those? I live in Poland and know there is widespread open opposition to the government which hampers their more... russian style inclinations....

what specific personal freedoms normal Ukrainians in Crimea had before

I told you, they could say whatever they wanted about their government (when it was Ukrainian) now.... not so much.... can you even read?

Again I ask you, what is so special about russian rule over Ukraine that it's worth 120,000 russian lives?

If you don't answer this time I'll assume you're admitting that 120,000 russians have died for nothing..... and you're okay with that.

Velund
27 Jan 2023  #2972

Crimeans must now suffer

And another reason to suffer - new hospital building with a set of high-tech diagnostic equipment.

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Tacitus
27 Jan 2023  #2973

Imagine if Russia focused on building up its' infrastructure than waging a senseless war of agression against its' neighbour.

Though knowing Russia it is probably just a facade, with the money intented to buy modern equipment going into some oligarch's pocket.

Novichok
27 Jan 2023  #2974

That building sure looks like a cardboard model.

Miloslaw
27 Jan 2023  #2975

high-tech diagnostic equipment

Sorry mate but the terms "High tech diagnostic equpment " and Russia, just doesn't work for me.....a contradiction in terms.....

mafketis
27 Jan 2023  #2976

Why can't you just leave us poor Russians alone?!?

Cause you can't stay inside your own lousy country and keep invading other places..... learn to stay within the cramped, tiny russian space and people will be happy to forget you ever existed... cause you contribute nothing good to the world.

russia out of Ukraine!

when you start spelling

my spelling is fine, you can't answer and don't care that 120,000 have lost their lvies... noted.

Velund
27 Jan 2023  #2977

a contradiction in terms.....

Yeah... Forgot to mention. Crimean radio amateurs retain their 50 MHz band operating privileges (something that not yet come in effect in the rest of Russia) and must now suffer due to returned operating privileges on 1296 MHz band (that was sold by Ukrainian government to commercial services and removed from amateur licenses). ;)

Novichok
27 Jan 2023  #2978

Today, we will learn proper use of "moron". Quoting from RT:

Russian foreign ministry puts question to Stoltenberg:
Did the NATO chief take people for "morons" when he claimed the bloc is not a party to the Ukraine conflict, Moscow asked.


Good question, Moscow. Here is the answer: they are in fact morons who believe that is they didn't sign some sh*itty piece of paper with "Article 5" on it, then it's not NATO - only voluntary, spontaneous, and randomly coincidental actions of the countries who just happen to be in NATO.

Miloslaw
27 Jan 2023  #2979

Why can't you just leave us poor Russians alone?!

We will leave you alone when you stop invading innocent nations on an imperialistic basis.....Russians are very clearly the oppressors here...

pawian
27 Jan 2023  #2980

sh*itty piece of paper with "Article 5" on it,

Your post sounds very confusing. Can you say it again with a better dose of logic??? What is your point exactly???

We will leave you alone when you stop invading innocent nations

Wow, it is the first time within a few months when you uttered sth reasonable. Why so rarely???

Novichok
28 Jan 2023  #2981

when you stop invading innocent nations on an imperialistic basis.

The USSR ignored Germany and it cost them dearly.

johnny reb
28 Jan 2023  #2982

Why doesn't Poland give them your F-16's ?

Coz we have only 50 and as an eastern flank of NATO, we need them to protect the whole NATO block

Really, the U.S.A. is NATO and just how is Poland protecting the United States with 50 fighter jets. (You're Goofy)
We would be happy to give Poland a discount on the $35 million dollar jet fighters so you could buy them with Poland's taxpayers money say for half price of $17 million each.

Poland could pay half and the U.S. could pay the other half.
What ya say there Mr. Generous Pole Boy ?

Do you comprehend what I am saying to you at all? Coz it seems you can`t understand simple English......

Oh I understand just fine, you Liberals love spending other people's money. Simple
What's so hard to understand about that.
So how many American F-16's do you think Poland wants to buy with Poland's taxpayers money to donate to Ukraine ?
Dunnit that just put a little bit of a different spin on your generous b.s. :-/

pawian
28 Jan 2023  #2983

how is Poland protecting the United States with 50 fighter jets.

Give up that wysky when talking to me. I hate maudlin morons. Didn`t you understand what I said about the eastern flank? Poland isn`t protecting the USA, we are protecting Eastern Europe.

What ya say there Mr. Generous Pole Boy ?

I say a Material Girl like you is no match to Generous Pole Boys. Ha!

American F-16's do you think Poland wants to but with Poland's taxpayers money to donate to Ukraine ?

If Americans prove Material Girls like you, then Poland will buy F16 for Ukraine. Just you wait.

Bobko
28 Jan 2023  #2984

Again I ask you, what is so special about russian rule over Ukraine that it's worth 120,000 russian lives?

On the example of Crimea, I demonstrated why being under Russia is far more beneficial. Now, as Russians - the most loving and most generous people in the world - this is a reward in and of itself. If yesterday's Ukrainians begin to live a life more befitting of a 21st century representative of Homo Sapiens - then Russia wins too.

We managed to pull all of that off in Crimea without killing any people (on purpose). We were hoping to repeat the same, but at scale, with the rest of the republic of Ukraine. Little did we know, that retarded Ukrainians will resist. Now we must all enjoy the consequences.

johnny reb
28 Jan 2023  #2985

We managed to pull all of that off in Crimea

It ain't over until the fat lady sings my Russian friend.
My bet is that you are going to get your asses run out of Crimea by the time it is all done and over with too, son.

Novichok
28 Jan 2023  #2986

As likely as the US giving Cali back to Mexico.

Little did we know, that retarded Ukrainians will resist.

As draftees, they had to. Foreign volunteers are another matter.

johnny reb
28 Jan 2023  #2987

Poland isn`t protecting the USA, we are protecting Eastern Europe.

And without the U.S.A. in Poland how long do you think your 50 fighter jets would last ?

no match to Generous Pole Boys.

Generous with other people's money but stingy with his Pole Boys own.

Poland will buy F16 for Ukraine. Just you wait.

They should to pay Ukraine back for the land Poland stole from them.
How long should I wait ?

PolAmKrakow
28 Jan 2023  #2988

Its funny when JR makes a good point the leftists want to bash it instead of simply acknowledging it. So much for inclusiveness.

With all the talk of Crimea and how wonderful it is from an Orc perspective, no real talk about what it is like from a Crimean perspective. Since I have been there, I can tell you the roads are indeed nice, and not crowded since no one can afford a car and there are no jobs. Its also nice when water is rationed a few hours a day, and at your seaside hotel they fill your bathtub with water while they have access to it, and those rooms that are not filled, the bath water is then used for drinking water. Thats if the water is clean enough to drink and not polluted or the color of street runoff. Maybe you want to go out for a nice meal by the sea? If you want anything other than some polluted fish from the black sea prepare for it to be cooked to the point of being able to hide the freezer burn because nothing is fresh.

Ahhhh yes. The Utopia created by little Vlad on the sea. That is Utopia if you have the money to pay the gangsters on every street corner. Be careful where you get your vodka, don't want to drink all the counterfeit $hit being sold that could make you go blind. If you are European or American, be sure to hire a very well-known bodyguard if you do not have friends in Crimea, you could end up having to buy your way out of jail or your family paying a ransom. You will pay for this service, but you will be safe when sleeping in your room as the good rooms always have an additional room attached for your security team to stay in. Nothing says pleasure and comfort like having your room attached to a security room.

Mother Russia, suckling everyone from the deflated wrinkled old tit that provides no life. Happy gulag biatches!

mafketis
28 Jan 2023  #2989

Utopia created by little Vlad on the sea

russians think all that is normal and look down on countries that aren't run that way....

self-awareness is not a russian strength....

GefreiterKania
28 Jan 2023  #2990

Russians - the 2nd most loving and most generous people in the world

Corrected.

Those who doubt which country is the 1st in loving, I can only refer to one of my earlier posts in this thread...

Bobko
28 Jan 2023  #2991

can only refer to one of my earlier posts

There is no doubt that Poland is number one in the Solar System, when it comes to masochistic love. I meant rather to say that the bandwidth of Russian love is wider. Poland may love MANY things, but if Russia loves ONE thing - it will love it more than anybody else ever could.

As Archilochus said, "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing."

GefreiterKania
28 Jan 2023  #2992

:D

I meant rather to say that the bandwidth of Russian love is wider.

Well, Russia is a bigger country than Poland - you have more space and opportunities to show love to a larger number of nations.

if Russia loves ONE thing - it will love it more than anybody else ever could

That is terrifyingly accurate.

Paulina
28 Jan 2023  #2993

Plus, you have no clue how "they feel".

I do, because I bothered to talk to ordinary Ukrainians who are still in Ukraine and are experiencing what you will only ever see on a TV screen. It's you who have no clue how they feel, because you don't want to know (and you're probably unable to understand anyway).

if Russia loves ONE thing - it will love it more than anybody else ever could.

Yes, RuSSia's love is that of a psychopath who will beat it's "love" object to death, if it tries to leave. You don't understand what real, normal, healthy love is - probably because you've never experienced it. That's both sad and scary.

Korvinus
28 Jan 2023  #2994

As Russians, Crimeans have the right to

Poles under Ruso-soviet rule also "had the rights to". It seems to be a general problem. Many Russians imagine that if someone is treated no worse than they usually are treated by their government, then he is treated well. But the Russians themselves are treated atrociously.

new hospital building

Many Ruskies say things along the lines, "but we (USSR) built all those factories in Estonia so they should be grateful". First, industrial "monocities" in Russia like Kurgan or Togliatti are currently some of the most depressed, although at least they didn't follow the fate of Detroit because of no racial component involved. Second, the priebalti were doing just fine before the USSR and would have been doing better if not for it. The more they stayed in USSR, the worse their situation became in relative terms. For comparison, take Finland which became independent early. PPP is artificially too favourable for Russia (those rotting oranges are so cheap!); in terms of nominal GDP Estonia is now twice as rich and Finland 4.5 times as rich. But even PPP is enough for the point.

gdp

PolAmKrakow
28 Jan 2023  #2995

@Korvinus
You should see Sochi. The jewel of the Russian Olympics. LMFAO It is falling apart because it was built so well. Hotels crumbling, apartment buildings already completely abandoned. Yep, good old Russian engineering and building techniques. The same ones that designed the new Lada sportscar with no airbags or antilock brakes. Joke of a country.

Velund
28 Jan 2023  #2996

A bit of propaganda... ;)

According to unofficial data circulating on the Internet, Valeriy Zaluzhniy, the AFU Chief of Staff, has reported to the Pentagon and NATO on the number of losses of Ukrainian servicemen.

According to the Ukrainian command, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have lost a total of 232,000 dead since the start of the special operation.

in terms of nominal GDP

Nominal GDP can be inflated easily (just like US Bureau of Census done for years). Better study the statistics of the native population and the number of Estonian/Latvian speakers in the dark days of Soviet enslavement and in the bright days of democracy. You have 2 periods to compare (just before WWII and after collapse of USSR)..

Crnogorac3
28 Jan 2023  #2997

twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1618982476038443008

The Ukrainian postal service issued a series of postage stamps dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the SS division "Galicia".

Don't google that division please.


r

Herr Roman

one of the commanders of Nachtigall Battalion, a Hauptmann of the German Schutzmannschaft 201 auxiliary police battalion, a military leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), and one of the perpetrators of the Galicia-Volhynia massacres of approximately 100,000 Poles.

PolAmKrakow
28 Jan 2023  #2998

@Velund
In real news, the number just a day or two ago was 100K. Propaganda that up Putins a$$. Maybe a vacation in Sochi is in order? lol

amiga500
28 Jan 2023  #2999

@Crnogorac3
You didin't even post the real stamps, and roman and bandera is not on them.

Velund
28 Jan 2023  #3000

just a day or two ago was 100K

reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-has-lost-between-10000-13000-soldiers-war-official-2022-12-01/

" Dec 1 (Reuters) - Ukraine's armed forces have lost somewhere between 10,000 and 13,000 soldiers so far in the war against Russia, presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak told a Ukrainian television network on Thursday.

The remarks appeared to be the first estimate of dead since late August, when the head of the armed forces said nearly 9,000 military personnel had been killed. "

brusselstimes.com/237100/ukraine-conflict-10000-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-since-start-of-war

" [Sunday, 12 June 2022] About 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers have died since the start of the Russian invasion on 24 February, according to Oleksiy Arestovich, an advisor to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

The figure was quoted during an interview with Mr Arestovich, aired on Friday on YouTube, Belga News Agency reports. "

So, looks like ukrainian semi-god warriors lost no more than 3000 in period from mid-June and start of December (and using classified NATO technologies even managed to "revive" 1000 dead between June and August). And, suddenly, there is extra 90000 confirmed losses in just a 1.5 months... What's happened so suddenly? Some Chechen gods of war unleashed from secret dungeons? Or russians just switched from Crimean bloodless scenario to "normal war"?


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