Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

Really, well here is the latest request, JUST two days ago. Is this not new ?
After securing Western tanks to defend against Russia's invasion, Ukraine already knows it wants F-16s and other fighter jets next, an adviser to its defense minister said Wednesday.

The Biden admin is fine with Ukraine rolling U.S. tanks into Crimea a Senior official said.
Ukrainian Sak said,
"They didn't want to give us heavy artillery, then they did.
They didn't want to give us HIMARS systems, then they did.
They didn't want to give us tanks, now they're giving us tanks.
Apart from nuclear weapons, there is nothing left that we will not get," Sak said.
The F-16 is a powerful fighter jet, capable of flying twice the speed of sound and acquiring targets in all weather conditions, according to the Air Force.

The Ukrainian Air Force, which has a fleet of aging Soviet-era jets, also pleaded for F-16s and other modern jets in April.
With that said Paulina, I was 100% correct when I posted. today Ukraine ask the U.S.A. for our F- 16 fighter jets !
You threw the word "new" in to read, "it's not a new request", to diminish my statement that it was that day's request to split hairs for an evening to have someone to argue with.

Now please stop it or you're going to drive me to drink.

No, it isn`t. Ukrainians have asked for F16s for several months now. I mentioned it last year at least once.


Stop whining. Why are you so insecure??


:):):) Funny. I don`t think he is able for such a sacrifice - it is the last hard on that he enjoys in life. :):):)

Yes it is also.
Months ago is not new.
They asked yesterday right after they got 31 of our 5 Billion dollar tanks now they want our $35 million dollar F-16's.
Isn't yesterdays news new which I was referring to ?
You two are referring to something that happened previously that isn't new.....and that is why we call you Polish.
Bring me a cold one.....lmfao !

Hundreds of which are rotting in desert storage fields. Waiting to be reactivated in an emergency. Now the time has come for them to fulfill their noble mission for which they were designed and manufactured - to repulse the arch enemy of the Western civilisation - Russia.

If you can`t see it, you are a typical proverbial dumb American. I don`t care if you are blond or not, but you do sound dumb.

You have been to both so tell us what specifically in Z-P makes it worth dying for. Exclude draftees.
Try not to get personal in your response.

Said the proverbial dumb Polack. (Ouch !)
Those F-16's were paid for by the American taxpayers to protect Americans.
How do the Americans suddenly get elected to give them away to suck the U.S. into someone else's war.
Why doesn't Poland give them your F-16's ?

The Ukrainian cause which is just and noble - defend their independence and live in a free country. Putinland called Russia isn`t a free country for its citizens - it is the Gulag prison, like it has always been. Ukrainians are ready to die to avoid that sad fate. They are taking the Polish example. That is why we are helping them.

Don`t be such a material girl like Madonna! It is truly disgusting in a mature man like you. Ha!


Coz we have only 50 and as an eastern flank of NATO, we need them to protect the whole NATO block against Russian crazies.
While American deserts are hosting hundreds of them waiting for cannibalisation. Do you comprehend what I am saying to you at all? Coz it seems you can`t understand simple English...... :):):)

What fate? Did Russians execute any Ukrainians in Crimea for going to work and back home for dinner?
If so, when and how many?

@Novichok
Z-P= no NOVI and that is enough.

All the Putinazi fvcks in the USA are just cowards, nothing more, nothing less, if there is anything less. All the Putinazis in Russia are cowards for not volunteering to go to the front lines. These are just facts.

Ukraine soldiers fighting for freedom are not cowards. Crimea will be turned into a new Mariupol in the coming months. These too are just facts. Now go get your portable Vlad dolls and enjoy your Friday night. Happy gulag biatches!

OK. I got it that you are clueless about what in Z-P is worth dying for.


Freedom to do what that Ukrainians in Crimea cannot?

@Novichok
Again, you don't know what Ukrainians in Crimea can or cannot do because you have never been there. How about, ummm stfu? Your questions are just annoying and lack intelligence at this point.

In Poland tonight, free people are enjoying freedom of speech and all the other great things that a constitution and democracy afford us. In Russia, they enjoy not getting killed when their neighbor is killed, and turning other neighbors in to get the larger apartment on the next floor because they didn't like their neighbor anyway. The beauty of the Russian system is that eventually everyone gets killed by the state. Just a matter of when, not if. I can see why so many mental midgets love it so.

what part of russian rule over Ukraine worth the deaths of 120,000 and counting russian soldiers?

And did you read this thread on how putain's russia actually functions (vs western right daydreams about how it functions)?

twitter.com/YaroslavConway/status/1617865669315551234

Why is putain's plans worth 120,000 russian lives?

You do.

So what are Ukrainians in Crimea not free to do today but were free to do before the annexation?

criticize their government?

So.... what is so special about ruling Ukraine that it's worth 120,000 russian lives?

Waiting for the answer....

Interesting. The 47th Assault Brigade is currently being converted to mechanized and receiving Bradleys, so I assume that it may be the plan for this new Brigade to be converted to mechanized as well if that is what an Assault Brigade designation means.

twitter.com/user/status/1618594719860391936

Russians hoped they destroyed Azov in Mariupol. Now they'll face the new, upgraded version. With blackjack and western tanks!

Ahh, again this. I thought I had caught you engaging in these fantasies before, and then you stopped. Now you're starting again?

Please enlighten us re: your visit to Crimea. Based on what you're saying it is clear this had happened post-annexation. When did it happen, and what were the specific logistics? Were you aware that it was illegal for you to enter Crimea, without a special dispensation from the Ukrainian State Migration Service (given that you do not hold a UA passport)? What sort of screening procedures were you subjected to at the Russian border?

Of course, it's possible you entered Crimea from the Russian side, leaving the Ukrainians and your own government in the dark regarding your little maneuvers, for which I applaud you. I hope you were able to see other beautiful Russian regions, like Krasnodar, on your way there.

It's also fascinating that these oppressed Crimean Tatars and crypto-Ukrainians you met, were so open in sharing their disdain for Russia. Seems an oversight on the part of our Gestapo, while these people should be put on the first train to Magadan.

Seriously man, stick to your stories of sniping at Russians from your armored couch. I'm embarrassed for you, when you begin telling people either how young people don't speak Russian in Ukraine, or about your voyages in Crimea.

Magadan means Gulag. Yes, that is the rule of law in Russia - anybody who disagrees with the regime will be persecuted.
Is it strange that Ukrainians reject such a sick system in their country??

@pawian

It was a joke, Pawian. Clearly, if PAK's fantasies are to be believed, Russia is not the kind of totalitarian state it is often depicted to be. This is because those Tatars and Ukrainians seem to be sitting pretty, waiting for angry American tourists to visit.

If this was the "real" Russia, and I mean the kind of Russia you can read about in the BBC or Washington Post, there would be either:

A) No Tatars or Ukrainians. Only resettled Russians. The Tatars and Ukrainians would be mining nickel with their bare hands beyond the Arctic Circle.

B) Not much to discuss. B/c they would be very quiet indeed, and would cross to the other side of the street if they saw an American tourist.

no matter what language they speak, they're not russian, you genocidal maniac (eager for genocide of both Ukrainians and russians)

120,000 dead russians and you don't even care..... what kind of evil sh|t is that?

russia is a broken society full of broken people who only want to harm others.... pathetic

Yes, I know. You meant it as such. But it was a joke/laughter through tears, as we say in Poland. You perfectly rendered the current situation in Russia - people who disagree with Putin regime are persecuted. Can you deny it????????????


Of course not. Instead of being instantly executed after the sentence like in stalinist times, people who oppose the regime receive sentences of only 6 - 7 years. It is nothing compared to the past. :):):) Mother Russia can be so benevolent to her naughty children. hahahahaha

We say this in Russia too.

@Bobko
Since you cannot get into Crimea from either side, I have a saying for you suck a bag of d1cks! Lol In my work I am not only allowed to cross borders but invited to cross borders. Why? Because I deliver $. Now go fvck yourself. Lol I can go to Crimea tomorrow if I want. You could never dream of it.

Mhmm, ok. Let me know closer to the date you are planning to travel, I will try to give some good suggestions on places to visit.

Very nice coz we are Slavs with similar cultures.

But you didn`t answer my question:
people who disagree with Putin regime are persecuted. Can you deny it?

Ehrm, no? Can't deny this. I mean, you have to represent something out of yourself, or have some kind of following of other mentally ill people - to merit persecution. If you're just Vasya, working at the tractor plant, telling your buddies what a thieving ******* Putin is - nothing will happen.

Are you saying that if I work to destroy Kaczynski's image or blow out the support from under his party, he won't attempt to "persecute" me? Perhaps he won't put me in jail for seven years (although if he could find a reason I'm sure he would use it), but I might suddenly begin receiving frequent visits from tax authorities or other regulators. F@ck, even in America this can happen and does happen. Just a little more hardcore in Russia. However, nowhere near as hardcore as in China or the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, with whom you are very happy to deal.

He might want to and might try but other institutions in Poland are robust enough that he can't.

Poland has a system of checks and balances (doesn't always work great but it works well enough often enough)

russia has a dictator and subjects who have no rights or dignity.... enjoy your serfdom

Singapore has a dictator and subjects who have no rights or dignity... the overwhelming majority enjoys their serfdom.

Again, I cited other, more prominent examples. Communist China. The Saudis with their straight up feudal monarchy. Is it because we are white that you enjoy getting all hot and bothered about our human rights situation? Is this racism, but in reverse? Is it because we are also Slavs?

Why can't you just leave us poor Russians alone?!?


Funny, this. I must read the wrong newspapers. If you read the Telegraph or WSJ, then you will learn that most institutions in Poland are staffed by PiS loyalists, lacking both a spine and a conscience. In this situation, Kaczynski doesn't need to "persecute" anyone, because his eager underlings in the prosecutor's office and at the tax authorities are already guessing at what might please the boss. But what do I know about Poland... probably as much as you know about Russia.

Hey, Bobko, maybe you can tell me what specific personal freedoms normal Ukrainians in Crimea had before and after the referendum. Have they lost any and, if so, what freedoms?

I am not having much success with the geniuses here...

1) As Ukrainians, Crimeans had the right to enlist into the Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet, and watch from their rustbuckets as better-paid, and better-housed Russian sailors stole all their girlfriends.

2) As Ukrainians, Crimeans had the right to be fleeced by any number of oligarch-controlled utilities of their last penny. Unfortunately in Russia, oligarchs were stripped of much of their power in the early 2000s. Most utilities in Russia operate with a strict understanding with the local government regarding what fees could be sustainable for the average citizen. These are the "heavy golden chains" of serfdom, that Crimeans must now suffer.

3) As Ukrainians, Crimeans had the right to exploit the last remnants of Soviet-built infrastructure until it crumbled into dust. As Russians, Crimeans have the right to a world class highway system, reconstruction of their sanitation networks, and an overhauling of their port facilities.