Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

I suppose the Holocaust doesn't matter either because Spanish influenza killed more people?


If there is one thing Russia has been completely uninterested in this war, it is "saving lifes", be it those of their own soldiers or Ukrainians. Otherwise they would not have drawn out the retreat from Kherson until after the midterm election.

The USA knows how to conduct wars and topple a regime with minimal civilian casualties. They have done so in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Fighting an insurgency is of course another matter. But all the Russian know is bombing the enemy into submission, e.g. Aleppo or Chechya. Which only works as long as the enemy are just some resistance fighters without the semblance of an army.

pull the other one.... human life has no value in russian culture (yet another reason that it is so inferior to western cultures).

you are being pushed to ever more absurd positions in your devotion to putain... maybe you should rethink that....

You don't know what Russia is interested in.

The numbers of civilian casualties speak for themselves. Please don't insult me with "Russia is incompetent in killing civilians" crap.

Quoting:

Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022. The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 6,490 civilian deaths during Russia's invasion of Ukraine as of November 6, 2022.

Yes, I know, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) is Putin's bi*tch and on his payroll.

Also, the size of the country matters. RuSSists struggled to defeat Chechnya for 10 years. Chechen population is about 2 -3 million. They would need 100 years to conquer Ukraine.


You are so advanced in age and you still don`t know that under "verified" there is an ocean of "unverified" ???

Why are you ranting about fentanyl and murders and strategic oil reserves ?

Take it to the US thread and leave this one for discussion of hungover Russian conscripts trying to swim across the river in civilian clothes, abandoned by their officers who are all living a life of luxury with sprats and Armenian prosecco in front of a Vietnamese TV set

Lets wait until the mass graves at Kherson and Mariupol are uncovered.

Will be interesting to guess where the Ukrainians are going to strike next.

Because you, the occupants of High Moral Ground, are trying to impress the gullible and the ignorant here with the awfulness of civilian casualties in Ukraine. Wow...6500...it's so terrible...Russians are evil...and barbarians...In the meantime, the US Bolsheviks keep the fentanyl supply lines open, watch 60,000 dead a year, to let their future voters in. The same US you are so happy to have over as your babysitter and nanny. That nanny is a mean bi*ch.

What I am doing is known as restoring the perspective or a point of reference. If that will get me another O, so be it.

Yes, it is a great tragedy for Ukrainians. Thousands of dead and wounded, millions of refugees, destroyed Eastern Ukraine. Mongol RuSSists will be held responsible for it for the next 100 years. Like Nazis.


Yes, exactly. Like Nazis.


Stop posting off topic topics. Themes.

All you do is engaging in whataboutism and derailing this thread.

Is the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) credible or on Putin's payroll like RT?
How about, just once, a simple yes or no?


It's called a point of reference - a thingy you want to look at before you burst out screaming in holy indignation.

If only the Americans had some organized method of expressing displeasure with their leaders and replacing them

The point of reference for this humiliation is the Russo Japanese war - started, completely pointlessly by the isolated Tsar and finished in short order by the well trained and well armed Japanese.

That was in 1904 - coincidentally the same year your Russian rifles were made in

AK-47 is the first choice when a choice can be made.

Back to the topic of the thread please

It is credible, imho, but as always you omitted that fragment:

"OHCHR believes that the actual figures are considerably higher, as the receipt of information from some locations where intense hostilities have been going on has been delayed and many reports are still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, Mariupol (Donetsk region), Izium (Kharkiv region), Lysychansk, Popasna, and Sievierodonetsk (Luhansk region), where there are allegations of numerous civilian casualties."

Did you notice that part: "THE ACTUAL FIGURES ARE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER"?

It's a buullsh*it throwaway sentence, not evidence or even a clue. How many is "considerably"? Twice? Three times?
Get the actual numbers and then we will start wailing.

@Novichok, that's the point - the numbers given by you are not the ACTUAL numbers YET. Only once we'll get them you'll be able to state what is the REAL number of civilian deaths and play your "let us compare" game.


Sorry, but you can't take one thing coming from OHCHR for granted and then discard the other just because it doesn't suit your biased agenda lol

Yes, I can. Even one source can produce meaningless crap. "Believes" and "considerably" is meaningless crap. I believe I am an 18-year-old Miss America and considerably prettier than you.

I don't think OHCHR is a source likely to produce "meaningless crap". This is a serious institution that has a lot of experience with this stuff. So, if they say they believe that the actual numbers are considerably higher, I don't think they would state that without a good reason.

And even without that statement from OHCHR even someone with half a brain can realise that during an on-going war with territories still being occupied by the invader it isn't possible to establish the real, complete number of civilian deaths.

For example, Mariupol, where the greatest destruction took place so far and the death toll is probably the highest, is still under occupation of RuSSian forces and OHCHR has no access to that city:

ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissioner-updates-human-rights-council-mariupol-ukraine

This is what OHCHR has to say (and what every normal, sane person understands):

"Until all dead bodies are recovered and identified, and their status, whether military or civilian, and the exact causes of death established, it will be impossible to know an accurate number of civilian deaths directly caused by hostilities, and those caused by a lack of food, water, medical care and other effects of living through the hostilities."


The thing is, I find what OHCHR is saying much, much, MUCH more believable than what you're saying :)))

It nice to see that Ukraine is winning and the war is almost over. So that means we dont have to send any of our tax dollars anymore:):)

The EU has plenty of their own money and are nothing but a bunch of weasels.

theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/12/they-ran-away-like-goats-villagers-celebrate-liberation-in-kherson-region

Excellent description of life under the Russians - this is 2022 not 1942

The Russians are beyond parody - unfamiliar with toilets and asphalt roads. They blew up the school and nursery but at least I'm sure they left a pretty good 24 hour sushi bar

You don`t. But if that happens, forget about being a global player who other major players respect. Under current Repubs, self-isolated US would drop in the ranking to Canada level of importance.

I miss those old Repubs from RR times who contained the Empire of Evil. Wonderful times...... but those Republicans are gone and have been replaced by azholes now.


Yes, it is a problem the EU is so divided in dealing with the current situation. But it has always been so.

russian civilization

twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1590007170258833408

Looks like the Russians looted the art gallery of Kherson before they fled.

That is normal for them, they did it in all museums and galleries in occupied territories.
On the one hand, it is Nazi-like behaviour known from WW2.
On the other hand, it is a sign they don`t believe they will ever return there. Good! Bye, bye, RuSSists, go to RuSSia and never come back to Europe again unless you become a civilised nation.

Interesting....I just read that:

...

Pro-Russian officials say they have removed the bones of famed 18th century Russian commander Grigory Potemkin from the occupied Ukrainian city of Kherson.

Potemkin's bones were taken from St. Catherine's Cathedral and moved across the Dnipro River and further into Russian-held territory, along with a statue of the military leader, the region's pro-Russian proxy governor Vladimir Saldo told Crimean TV.

"We have moved the remains of His Serene Highness Prince Potemkin from St. Catherine's Church and the monument itself to the left [east] bank," Saldo said, according to Russian state news agency RIA Novosti.

edition.cnn.com/2022/10/28/europe/potemkin-remains-removed-kherson-ukraine-russia-intl/index.html

It happened already in October but IMHO that is a sure sign that the Russians fear or at least allow for the possibility to not/never come back....

When have the European counties ever got along? You have been fighting neighbor against neighbor for centuries. Europe should be only one country.

Perhaps, then you would pay your own way!

Surely you are wrong. I thought Russia was there forever? ;) The Russians might make an attempt of recapturing it again next hop, but then the Ukrainians will hopefully be better prepared. Especially since they know now what awaits them under Russian rule.

In any case the pictures of celebrating Ukrainians were really heartwarming. And it is nice knowing that we contributed to that succes to some degree. Hopefully the pledged mine-clearing tanks and trained Ukrainian specialists will arrive soon, since it looks like the Russian left a lot of presents behind... .

@Crnogorac3

Why don't you show us those nice maps again which you so proudly presented on the 30th September/1st October?

..yeah....I read that too....the whole region is totally mined....imagine all the civilians, the childrens getting hurt, maimed and killed in years to come! :(

Mines are legal so what's the problem? There are signs "Caution! Mines!" or how else would you know it?

russians also use illegal mines.