Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

So, you are trying to tell us that only United States of smth allowed to kill babies abroad?


Again, fcuking polish manner to select convenient "start point in time" and unfold things from that moment, ignoring all that was before. Is it OK that just before Cuban crisis, US missiles with nuclear warheads was put to Turkey, mere minutes of flight time to territory of USSR?

you make it sound like something you want to do.... sick....

@Velund
Time for you and every other Russian fvck to wake the fvck up. We do not care what you think or what you want. We do not care about your inferiority complexes. We do not care about your feelings. This is democracy and a free market economy. Get on board or get TF out of the way. Your historical wants and bull$hit mean nothing to anyone but you. All your comrades are getting turned into a fvcking slurry for nothing. This is what your punk Putin has done.

No, I just try to figure out why bombing of Serbian/Iraq/etc cities is fine for US, but selective strikes to military objects in ukrainian cities is anathema if made by Russia?

Tht is precisely what r*SSians want to do.

Some of the rhetoric on their official kremlin TV is vile. Do you follow Julia Davis' Twitter feed on it?

Don't get so worked up lol - I know that this was a response to putting nuclear missiles in Turkey and Italy by the US.

The point that I was making was that Cuba wasn't in any official military alliance with the Soviet Union and yet, at Cuba's request, the Soviet Union placed nukes on Cuba's territory anyway. Novichok is trying to make it look like just being part of a military alliance (NATO in case of Ukraine, Poland or any other country) is some kind of existential threat to RuSSia, which is simply BULLSH1T. If the US wanted to and the Polish or Ukrainian government would agree, Americans would put nuclear missiles on Polish or Ukrainian territory, no matter whether those countries were in NATO or not, just like the Soviet Union did in case of Cuba.


Wow, what a BULLSH1T.

America (like China) is a superpower.

r*SSia isn't.

In the last few days they admitted that the purpose of negotiations would be to rest and rearm before attacking again...

They also said Kazakhstan is next... (not sure if that was recent or before so much went belly up for them.....)


So.... what's your point... the US did something bad so russia gets to? that just underlines the idea that even russians know, deep inside, that they have no independent morality and simply look for role models (I agree the US is a poor role model so... stop following it!)

It is what we expect from Russian animals.


It is and Russia's justification of their attack on Ukraine, based on that is just childish and puerile.
It is the same argument that Rich uses to defend Russia's actions.
Just childish.

Whatever the US signed can be unsigned. This one, like all other documents, is not a suicide pact.
In the meantime, enjoy your guests. More are coming - frozen and depressed.

Quoting:

At least two million Ukrainians will migrate in winter - WHO
The ongoing conflict is also taking a heavy mental health toll on citizens, a senior WHO official says

This winter may be a "life-threatening" experience for "millions" of Ukrainians, Hans Kluge, the World Health Organization's (WHO) regional director for Europe, has warned. Up to three million Ukrainians are expected to migrate "in search of warmth and safety," Kluge said on Monday during a press conference in Kiev.

So how is that Z-P? Still a positive number? Hahahahahaha...hahahahahaha...


Rich's argument is that if the US can do it, so can Russia - adjusting for the distance of 7,000 miles vs 0 miles which makes Russia's claims infinitely more credible.

Maybe... or maybe not. The only people with accurate information re: this, would naturally never discuss it.

However, Ukraine's Minister of Defense did release a curious infographic today. Attaching image below.

It appears new missiles are being manufactured, according to this graphic.

If you ask me, all of these "forecasts" are bullish!t. I remember how in March they promised Russia would run out of missiles within weeks. Nobody knows how many missiles there actually are, but there's certainly a lot more than anybody in the West considered possible.

Source: censor.net/ua/news/3382274/skilky_raket_zalyshylosya_u_rosiyi_reznikov_opublikuvav_otsinku_zalyshkiv_raketnogo_arsenalu_rf_infografika

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The Associated Press yesterday fired one of two reporters with a byline on last week's now-retracted report that claimed "Russian missiles" had "crossed into NATO member Poland" and killed two people.

How many members here jumped the gun and made the same claim ?




This is how wars get started.


PAK, as much as I like you, I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
You're fired !

Western Europe has more people than the US. They can easily deploy a 10,000,000-men-strong army to Ukraine and be done with this nonsense in less than a week. If you need a pair, the US can lease some to you.

So, what's up with THAT idea, PF heroes? Am I a genius or what...

Sorry, Rich, there's a lot of urgent work here, much more important than keeping morons in tone at PF. ;) The major chip suppliers think they don't need the Russian market, so we're working now to make sure they lose it for good. ;) Working on redesign of products that we have to manufacture to use Chinese and Russian made chips, not dependent on US embargoes.

...bravely egging Uks on with the US doing the adult supervision and guard duty. So, when the US is up there front and center, every weasel turns a hero.

That alone would be tolerable. What is not tolerable are the lessons on good manners these weasels love delivering to us and the sermons on how bad and useless our guns are.


...as one of the unintended consequences of sanctions...self-reliance. I am glad you are doing that.

Russia ? Making their own chips ? LOL - what flavor ? Sprat ? Grey kasha ? Fatty pale ham ?

the money for that chip factory has already been sent to Cyprus

As if you morons could make a microchip that worked

And yes the Russian market is expendable

Wow, Bobko returns! I don't remember anyone saying Russia would run out of missiles in weeks, but maybe someone did.

@Joker
Sorry, not a leftist. Intelligent thinker here, and yes, any idiot still pumping Trump may as well be a redneck banging his cousin in Kentucky. Anyone pumping for Biden is an idiot as well, and may as well be banging Hilary while destroying emails. Better? I own property and pay a whole lot in taxes in the US, I have every right to my opinion. More right than the illegals who argue against it, and more right than bums who pay no taxes. I dont care who I offend when expressing my opinion, again thats the beauty of a free country.

The US is not ever going to run out of missiles. It is in a peace time economy and production is being ramped up. If it were a war time economy like in Russia, the US would be pumping out weapons faster than anyone could imagine. Thats the beauty about free market economies, they work better than government-controlled ones.

@johnny reb
I reported what was being said here in Poland real time. Simple explanation. If you would have posted all my opinion expressed later in the thread instead of just taking one quote you would have also posted that I thought it could have been a mistake, or could have been a test to see the NATO response. That was my opinion. But I do stick by the opinion that Crimea should be flattened regardless, and NATO has not been quick enough to give Ukraine weapons to take out the Orcs more quickly and efficiently.

Meanwhile, as Velund was talking about the delusional goals of Russia making its own chips for technology, reports of real Russians becoming more frustrated with Putin and the war are now getting out. Reverse engineering of chips takes years, and building factories to produce them takes years. All the software Russia tried to copy or reverse engineer in the 70's and 80's never worked and they tried for decades. Russia producing chips after all the truly intelligent people have left the country is about as likely as a caveman building a Tesla with stone tools. Christmas without being able to buy western goods is not going to be so cheery. While hundreds of families every day receive news of their son being killed, a growing number of families are getting tired of the Putinazi routine.

No, we can't, "genius". Since RuSSia seems to see "existential threats" at every corner and in every fridge, NATO troops in Ukraine would probably be "interpreted" as such "existential threat to RuSSia" by the orc morons and they could start a nuclear war then.


You would need to have a pair yourself in order to lease it to others lol I don't see the US doing anything more than the EU is doing - sending weapons and money to Ukraine.

Nonsense. This is a war wanted by leagues of zhopniks and one crazy dictator that the pathetic russians cannot not even get rid of (so they glory in their impotence... blech).

All the evidence is that the russian military didn't really feel threatened. If they did feel threatened do you think they would have stolen so much from the military rather than keeping it strong?

It's a war of survival for your fragile mental health...

Ah, sure, you can "unsign" it the moment you manage to make RuSSia give Ukraine its nukes back lol


Exactly - it isn't. You won't die from helping Ukraine, so chill.

mentally he will... putain is his sacred daddy figure keeping the bad people at bay... Ukrainians are the people that make daddy mad and then daddy takes it out on him.... (people with daddy issues are easy to spot....)

I can understand Velund and Bobko supporting Russia as Russians. The rest who support, argue for Russia, or argue against Ukraine are simply mental midgets. Either you support democracy, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. Putin is and always has been a biatch. He is a know nothing, angry little man with an obvious Napolean complex. Thug and prison mentality operations is all he offers. Knowingly allowing the oligarchs to steal from the people with complete abandon is not a leadership quality. It is a quality of a person who lacks intelligence and control. The fact that people follow him is absolutely laughable and points to their level of intellect.

No one emigrates to Russia. No one, except the other $hit hole despots wants anything to do with Russia and that is because their $hit hole is worse than the Russian $hit hole. This is what people support? Everyone railing against the US and all the wars of the past is screaming into the abys. Those wars are over and not relevant. Dont want the US bombing your country, then dont attack the US or its friends. Really a pretty simple rule. Dont want the US supplying weapons to Ukraine, then simply leave.

Its too late for Russia now. This will not end well for little Vlad. He will end up dead, or his country will be ruined for at least a generation. That is really a remarkable accomplishment to take place in just under a year. But hey, according to Velund, all the Russian kids will have new Sony Walkmans for Christmas while children in the US and Europe will be opening up their new IPhones. Excellent trade off by Russian standards.

Actually lots of central Asians do.... in fact putain's more or less open borders policy is one of the things russian nationalists don't like about him.... but when they point this out in public they tend to fall out of windows for their trouble...


At this stage if the war and sanctions ended this very second it would take generations for russia to get back where it was in 2013 (much less 2006 or so when it peaked).

The damage one crazy dictator can do to a country is astounding (also Xi in different ways and Erdogan).


In bobko's case it's fear of being a non-conformist and in velund's case it's probably somebody who's part of the system and too invested in it to get out... there's nothing remotely admirable or understandable about that..... the fearful conformists are just as bad for russia as putain is.... dreadful inferior culture.....

@mafketis
With all due respect, Central Asian nations are in the same pool of $hitholes as Russia. Kazakstan is the only one that might be above that level, and that is only recently.

The problem I have is with Americans and EU people who argue against supporting Ukraine. Really just idiotic. These same people who hide behind the freedoms provided to them by democracy and all the wars fought on their behalf and all the people who died for those freedoms. These same people who wouldn't even have the freedom of expression that they have if not for all those wars and deaths. Anyone supporting Putin or Russia who is not Russian is a traitor in my opinion, regardless of their reasoning behind it, and if on US or EU soil, they should be prosecuted.

After just six weeks of intense bombing of energy infrastructure, Russia has battered Ukraine to the brink of a humanitarian disaster this winter as millions of people potentially face life-threatening conditions without electricity, heat or running water.

These Ukrainians need to get out of Ukraine while they still have a fighting chance.

...to Poland where they are seen as an asset and the reason to be proud. Poland enjoys sharing its vast resources with refugees regardless how many would come. Especially PF posters...

All Putin wanted is a neutral, NATO-free Ukraine but, Ukraine being a fiercely independent democracy said hell no, we would rather have our country destroyed, people killed, and would freeze than live without the joys of NATO.

And then there is this Z-P...No, Z-P is not zero anymore.

Who could possibly ever give a flying f*ck what that thieving war criminal wants? The only people who have right to decide about the fate of Ukraine are Ukrainians. End of.

You are so right. They decided that they love NATO and were rewarded with...well, you know already so I will not waste my time.

Happy life, Ukrainians, and keep those windows closed to stay warm. Oops, I forgot you have no windows... Sorry...

In the meantime, think if you would do it again. Personally, I have serious doubts. Dying to have NATO...Hmm... Uks are strange people...

Even Americans who own NATO wouldn't. Actually, to be honest, we hate NATO - a lopsided crap with risks and no reward.

That's not all Putin wanted - he said many times he wanted to annex territory. He then formally did that - without going through the difficult bit of equipping an army.

But anyway nobody cares what he wants - he is a murderer and a rapist and a thief

And of course around 40% of their populations are r*SSians bussed in during the Soviet years to colonise it.

I liked Boris Johnson's interview today, however the French and Germans probably won't like it as much, especially the French who he says were "in denial" right until the actual invasion.


And this is what the appeasers and armchair vatniks hate.