Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

I've been asking myself this question too. When the bald KGBist admitted that it was about his plan of "gathering of Russian lands", russkiy mir restoration etc. then I thought to myself: "surely now the trolls all over the internet will have to stop claiming that the war had anything to do with NATO - their idol himself denies it". Apparently I was wrong.


Unfortunately, America is not willing to allow Russian decisive defeat to happen. So - for the time being - Russia will bleed, Ukraine will bleed but eventually some sort of peace agreement will have to be made, because the US is afraid of the fragmentation of Russian nuclear arsenal as well as of stregthening China too much. If proper weapons and ammunition were delivered to Ukraine and full license to use them granted, Russia would have no other option but to withdraw from Ukrainian lands and acknowledge their defeat.

Not so much more "occupied" as TX and NM for example. Even less.


Exactly. While war weaken Russia and destroy Ukraine, US plunder their EU "allies" and siphon huge amounts of budget funds to feed them to military industrial complex. Too fast defeat of Ukraine (or any sort of peace deal) will stop "golden stream" of dividends to "right people", too decisive defeat of Russia will put Washington DC and other "decision making center" at risk, as by russian nuclear doctrine it can be attacked by nukes in case of existetntial threat to Russian state.

So, war "to a last ukrainian" will continue, and can eventually become war "to a last Pole", if ukrainians will end up too soon. But even current state is far too expensive for EU economy...

Much more so, actually.... TX and NM became part of the US as part of a bilateral agreement.... russia invaded Ukraine and carried out a "referendum" that no person who respects the law recognizes.

Perhaps "temporarily occupied" might be a better description....

twitter.com/maria_drutska/status/1604044248785068034

russia could have been a peaceful, prosperous country - an economic and cultural superpower.... it p|ssed it away chasing dreams of imperial glory long after the world moved on from empires....

why is russia so inferior and backward?

@Velund
It is going to be hilarious to watch all your comrades running from Crimea when the missiles start falling on them. Almost as funny as all the mysterious fires that are starting inside of Russia these days. When that illegal Crimean bridge gets blow up for good, and all the property Russians illegally built homes and apartments on will be either destroyed or used to house Ukraine people, you will likely still be cowering in mommy's basement.

Even if we agree that this is a proxy war, which in part it is IMO, it still has the same result the world wants. A defeated Russia. Your dream of it becoming a war to the last Pole is just a delusion. Russian can't even beat Ukraine, and you think now that a prepared Poland? Russia is begging Iran and Belarus for help. Hilarious.

What's the point though? I mean for Russia. It is evident now that you can't win this war and only America will decide the extent of your defeat. Why continue it then and bleed yourself out? Doesn't make any sense, does it?

... but the "enlightened Western countries" have a custom, about once every 80-100 years, to go and conquer the land and resources in the East. They invariably end up getting beaten up, but they leave behind a lot of destruction and graves, making Russians very busy to rebuild everything for the next half century. So every step in the advance of military forces to its borders is perceived by Russia as preparation for a new "crusade" and it reacts accordingly. Regardless of the assurances of the opposite side about the peaceful nature of its intentions.

Now, since the last "lesson", it's been just about the right amount of time for people who remember and can tell what it feels like to get kicked in the nuts by a Russian soldier's boot, to become reliably silent for natural reasons. So the Anglo-Saxon top brass again started looking for someone to fight the Russians for them, so that then, if successful, they could dip into the tidbits and make the rest too busy fighting each other's wars. Like in Yugoslavia.

But something went wrong this time...

World War 2 was one huge slaughter of Slavic people - look at the losses in population of USSR, Poland, Yugoslavia etc. and compare them to the Anglo-Saxon losses in soldiers and civilians. It should be called Slavic Slaughter War.


No. Not really. Identical thing is happening: Russia is bleeding out, Ukraine is bleeding out, who knows, perhaps Poland's time will come too. Slavic Slaughter 2.0.

And, being a smart guy, you must see that it was Russia's delusions of grandeur and stupidity (yes, stupidity) that was the cause. You were manipulated into this war like children. You had everything: NS1, NS2, Germans and the entire EU were eating out of your hand, your exports, industries and economy were improving and then you decided to start the "gathering of Russian lands", russky mir restoration, vstavay strana ogromnaya blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. The only result is what it has always been - the slaughter of Slavic people.

Well done, Russia, well-f*cking-done. :-/

Russian soldiers have boots Velund ? That is news to me

When I see them on TV they are wearing cheap Vietnamese sneakers or school shoes. The money for the boots was stolen a long time ago.

Dressed in rags who do you think you can conquer LOL. So even if your nonsense about crusades made any sense, Russia simply doesn't have the means to win a war any more against anyone stronger that North Ossetia.

@Velund
You mean the Russian pu$$ies who are raping women, children and boys? Those tough guys? The ones that would have been destroyed in WW2 if not for winter saving them from the Nazi's? Or do you mean those that have the same mentality that signed a contract like Stalin and Hitler? Those brilliant minds leading the Russian army to ruin now maybe? Or perhaps those who robbed the Russian army blind for the last thirty years?

Russia was not the great savior of Europe in WW2. What would Europe be now if not for the USA, its soldiers, its air force, its navy and its lend lease program that equipped everyone.

Russia has been getting its a$$ kicked by the west for the last century, and now it set itself up for an even bigger a$$ kicking by invading Ukraine. How fvcking stupid can one country be? @GefreiterKania Said it very clearly and easy to understand. Russia had its future in front of it. Had EU by the balls and little fag Vlad fvcked it all up trying to recreate the USSR. What Russia could have been by 2050 will never happen for its citizens now because of one retard leading the country for the last 20 years.

russia invaded Ukraine... you keep getting things backward.... if russians put half the energy they put into excuse making and rationalization into something constructive then they'd be a major power....


Same thing that always goes wrong.... russia is a garbage inferior country with a garbage and inferior culture.... and will be until it stops its dreams of empire and paranoia and joins the current century....

I don't know why you keep saying this, Maf. It's so blatantly untrue. There is so much beauty in Russian nature, art and literature (not to mention the language that I love, but I suppose it's subjective) and so much warmth and kindness in her people that to say such a thing is deeply unfair. Grossly, terribly unfair.

This war will one day be over and this criminal government will be only a bad memory, but Russian people - our Slavic brothers - who used to fight with us and suffer with us, they will remain. Let's not ruin all that because of the f*cking bald KGBist and his mafia. Russia is much more than that.

The problem is that if RuSSians remain the same as they are, and according to you they are warm kind people hahahahaha then Poland has to buy a lot of weapons right now and stick to its alliances with NATO and the EU at any cost. Coz your warm and kind RuSSians will never give up their imperial obsessions if RuSSia stays as one country. Our only hope is RuSSia`s disintegration - only this can cure RuSSians and turn them into normal Russians.

You speak like a paid RuSSist troll now or you are only blinded with that pathetically false romantic perception of RuSSians. Which one???

Of course they are. They are also quite smart, generous and have a nice sense of humour.


There is a distant possibility of Russia's disintegration but such scenario is rather unlikely because the US don't want this to happen.


I've always said your reading comprehension skill is absolutely appalling. :)

"Poland has to buy a lot of weapons right now and stick to its alliances with NATO and the EU at any cost."

They dont have to buy anything I mean Poland. You are being manipulated by the U.S. military industrial complex to make them richer. AGain showing the ignorance of Polish people right above folks. How they are. Ignorant.

Of course. And when ordered, they take their arms and invade other countries without a word of protest and think it is a good joke coz they have such an amaSSing sense of humour. hahahaha


Yes, but scenarios happen even despite our expectations....... :):):)


Yes, I said it coz I consider your stupidly romantic posts about RuSSians as very harmful when you suggest it is bad Putin who is the problem and after he is gone, everything will be fine again.. No, darling, it won`t, coz Putin is only a product of the RuSSian society as it really is. If he is gone, another Putinescu will come to control RuSSians first and in next steps make cannon fodder of them coz they need such a ruler to feel happy in their Gulag country.

Right now RuSSia staying as one country doesn`t give any hope of being able to turn its citizens into normal people - the ones who still have their traditional sense of humour but do not view invading other countries as a life necessity. We need to try out the collapsed-RuSSia-dozen state system to see if it might work better.

I'm told there's a russian view of the world, known as 'the good Tsar' (with a counterpoint in 'the bad Tsar')

If things go wrong it's because the good Tsar is being sabotaged or doesn't know about them and if he did, he'd dix them. Alternately if the good Tsar goes bad, then what's necessary is a good Tsar to take his place....

the missing element in russian culture is 'personal responsibility' and the country will remain mired in violence and aggression and corruption until everyday russians learn to stand up against their rotten governments... I don't see that happening any time soon, unfortunately.

I can never understand this Putin cock sucking by vatniks. Sure, feel free to love Eurasia, sovok union or whatever but Putin?

Putin is just a KGB thug, low intelligence silovnik that is clearly deteriorating in mental capacity for years now - and he didn't start high on IQ anyway. He is a literal murderer/robber who worked directly for mafia.

This has been said about Russia/USSR since 1918. More than 100 years and the country, the politicians, the people refuse to grow and change. The rich writing history, dance, music and other cultural things of value are all in the very distant past. Most of which came to be before the revolution. Since the revolution, not much worth note has happened or been done by Russia by way of culture. The country is a dumpster fire. The people, almost all I have met are simply POS looking to rob people or get something for nothing. Dishonest, criminal and lazy is how I would describe even the most professional of Russians I have known, and I have known a lot.

@Korvinus
Exactly. Putin is a low life POS who got lucky with Yeltsin. Yeltsin was a booze hound who could have appointed a fvcking jelly donut to be president and he wouldn't have remembered. But everyone will remember Putin. He will go down in history as the man who did more economic damage to Russia in one year than Stalin did in all of his years. He will go down in history as a murderer and a coward.

True, however to ab extent every politician is an opportunist. Except those who are idealists and may God save us from those. It's true that Yeltsin's weakness allowed Putler to eventually seize power.


basically, Putler has become so isolated in his bunker (real and metaphorical) that he's divorced from the reality of his situation, and surrounded by yes men who care less about r*SSia than they care about opportunities for personal enrichment. There are parallels between Putler and Salazar after his stroke, shut in his castle believing he was still the dictator of Portugal, issuing decrees that were binned without reading as soon as he'd signed them. The difference is that Putler has his FSB and his minions are still afraid of him.

According to this russian born Brit.... that's pretty much over now....

twitter.com/y_akopov/status/1603796100472766466

Certainly not.

Boris Akunin, Lyudmila Ulitskaya, Mikhail Shishkin or my personal favourite - Venedikt Yerofeyev - are all very much alive and kicking. Russian literature is not only Tolstoy or Pushkin :) Also, it's worth mentioning that many of great contemporary Russian writers are staunch anti-putinists: Shishkin refused to represent Russia at the Book Expo in the United States in order not to be associated with the regime and Yerofeyev emigrated and exposes the putinist regime in many interviews (also in Polish press).


Who is this "Russian born Brit" and what qualifications does he have to claim that "Russian culture is over"? What are his achievements in this area?

Seriously, guys - you are taking things a bit too far. Hating the putinist regime and opposing the criminal invasion of Ukraine is one thing, and you have my 100% support in that, but trying to denigrate and belittle the entire nation - brave, resourceful and resilient nation, who suffered more than most others in its history is, frankly, disgusting.


You are either incredibly unlucky (bordering on statistically impossible) or perhaps the current war somewhat clouds your judgement.

I'd say that apart from a few outliers in the 50s, most of it was well and truly over by about 1927. They had a Golden Age, however it was very brief.

... a brilliant writer whom I confused with Victor Yerofeyev. Sorry. :)

See - there's so many great writers that you can make such a mistake easily. :)

OK, let's try this..

Modify the sentence you quoted as having RT bias to one without RT bias. As a reminder, it is your claim that the quoted sentence has RT bias.

Go ahead...


Your own experience does not transfer to Putin.
KGB is no better or worse than the CIA or Mossad, so ease off on insults.

@GefreiterKania
After the classics, I have had no use for modern Russian writers or artists. Unfortunately some of my business forces me to deal with Russians on a regular basis. My opinion of them is as stated, and my colleagues around the world would agree. We avoid Russians at all costs, even if it causes us to lose money. the every day small talk, passing by in a coffee shop Russian I have the opinion of pitiful. Any citizen who does not stand up against such dictators and illegal behavior is simply a weak POS who deserves all the problems they have in life. Your interest in Russian culture is yours and I respect it, but ask most Americans, or Europeans and they would not even know who the people you mention are. But they all know Putin and they all know his approval ratings.

I already did but you were too lazy to properly read.....


How do you hope to be taken seriously? Really?

RT shines again...Quoting from RT, the best news source in the entire universe:

Damage to Ukrainian civilian infrastructure self-inflicted - Russia
'Unprofessional actions' by Kiev's air-defense units during missile strikes on Friday are to blame, Moscow claims

So Russia fires some rockets. Uks shoot 'em down and cause damage to civilian objects. Moscow calls it self-inflicted.

No, Moscow, it was you who inflicted it. So what does RT do? RT reports FACTS and quotes including "self-inflicted" and "unprofessional actions" - both biased opinions RT professional reported as such. You see, dear Russia haters, when quoting a good reporter does not take a position on the issue. And that is why RT never once called Z evil, despot, deranged, or mental.

For this moronic behavior, you have to go to the British and other Western publications.

Let's see what the Bandera MSM will tell us tomorrow about the shelling of a hospital in Donetsk during the World Cup finals. Apparently, they will also say that it was self-inflicted shelling "to discredit AFU". From Swedish "Archer" howitzers, [preliminarily] judging by the splinters found and the nature of the rifling.

One patient of the neurosurgical department was killed, and there are a number of wounded. The neurosurgery building was on fire.

See it tonight

newsrnd.com/news/2022-12-18-pushilin--one-patient-died-during-the-shelling-of-a-hospital-in-donetsk-by-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine.Byxcyeadi.html

That would be actually funny in a way if they adopted RuSSian propaganda tactics against you lying scum lol :D

Btw, how is rebuilding Mariupol going after RuSSia destroyed and damaged majority of that city? Are people still freezing there?