Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

Good news.


Kyiv.

Khuev.

No, Kyiv.

I wonder what we'll rename Moscow as when r*SSia falls.

Nuclear wasteland?

Firstly, smirking about "reliability" is rich and funny coming from a RuSSist :)) The pot calling the kettle black, as they say in English :)))

Secondly, even if the Ukrainian side wasn't reliable on this account, there's still Polish families of those volunteers who are in contact with them and are waiting for them back home, Polish war correspondents in Ukraine and Polish media in general.


And how your hemorrhoids are doing? ;)) It's easy to be so smug when you're not stuck in trenches in Bakhmut with your compatriots getting frostbites and dying. If you support this invasion so much then why aren't you there with them? It's pretty clear by now that the RuSSian military has never enough of cannon fodder of all ages and with all types of training (or lack of it) :))) Why aren't you volunteering, tuff guy?

We have one blogger, Polina Reutova, and she is usually on fire with napalm in every sentence. In her usual uncompromising way, in response to the idea of extending new anti-Russian sanctions once a year, she suggested that no less than once a year (and not once every 70-80 years as usual) Poland should be divided. She did not specify, however, whether to divide Poland the same way every time or differently. And cut a land corridor to Kaliningrad and liberate occupied Vilnius for starters. 😂

I wonder whose dreams will come true first? ;)

@Velund, I'd say that further sanctions against RuSSia are defenitely more likely to happen than RuSSia invading and partitioning Poland in any near future :)))


What is she smoking then?? :D 😂

r*SSia is full of deranged demagogues.

The more r*SSia performs badly in the illegal and unprovoked war they started, the more they rant stupidly.


Sanctions will of course remain until after the war crimes trials and reparations.

@Velund
Moscow to be repurposed like the ship named after it in the Black Sea. One is now an artificial reef, the other will just cease to exist. Maybe it can be renamed Chopin City? That has a nice sound to it. Or if it has to be bombed into submission, it can simply be called DeathVladastok, or Putinassholeastock? Maybe in honor of you it could be Velunderthedirt? You can dream in one hand comrade and $hit in the other and you will see which fills up first. Again, wtf are you doing here?

It is not Poland but Russia that is at risk of division these days. We can only speculate which of the enslaved nations will gain their independence first or which occupied territories will no longer belong to Russia but any of this is much more likely than even a square centimeter of Polish land going into foreign hands. :)

feelin' lucky punks? Königsberg just a' sittin' there..... ready to break off and join the EU rather than stay in the garbage country of russia...

just try.....

effin' cowards....

First of all Poland has a way longer history than srusgoblin muscovite khaganate. It also has golden spots.

But thats irrelevant because Poland isn't basing its identity, future and whole existence on being a great power. We literally don't give a sh*it, we want a modern rich state. And we wouldn't trade it for being slaves in some kleptocratic retard ran empire.

It is literally impossible for Poland to wage aggressive wars on its neighbours because CITIZENS not mindless SLAVES will not let the leadership do it.

And this is where the main difference comes into light. Poland has always been a land of law, rights and freedom. At first for up to 10% of population that was nobility but now it extends to everyone. Srusgoblinia always was a corrupt shi*thole where rulers lived in golden palaces while slaves died in the trenches.

@Velund

Thank you for the recommendation - a very interesting article...

theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/05/russia-is-finished/302220/

... I didn't know that Russian borrowed 'marionetka' from Polish. :)

Yours are childish daydreaming, good for brainwashed RuSSians who don`t know anything about the deplorable state of the RuSSist army and its equipment from 1960s. hahaha Darling, Polish tanks would blow yours into tiny pieces within minutes. hahahaha

Nice deflection.
I didn't ask for how many went. I asked for how many returned in coffins.
Please don't insult me with any crap that the Polish government agents and doctors didn't bother to open those coffins to see what is inside and, if it is a decomposing body, to do autopsy and issue a death certificate. Then ID the body to send it to the correct address.

Well.. We will not jump into depths of declassified "Prometeus" project documents, but what you will tell us about Teshin area? I suppose it was "humanitarian action"?

@Velund

Where were those declassified Prometeus documents published? Have you been reading this Limonovka again? ;)

"Project". Even if true, it would be just that. It's only Russia really, there leaders would got away with doing something like that for real.

Nah, in Poland we have completely different traditions. 300 years of constitutional monarchy with strong parliament instead of tsar's autocracy. Even our interwar authoritarianism was much softer (and not genocidal) than the Soviet rule.

I see your point and agree with that.
I have also objected to the armchair generals here that have never experienced the smell of combat death.
And when I do, it is met with, "I would, I will, I most likely, I am ready, I wouldn't hesitate, I am all talk."

The reporting of this war is pretty one sided as I never hear of how many Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or how many tanks Ukraine has lost.

All I see in the news media is blown up Ukrainian civilian apartment complexes and dead Russian soldiers.

That`s good, it means you don`t follow the RuSSist media. :):):)

I didn't hate russia before feb 24, 2022... I didn't like it anymore than I don't like lots of countries with bad governments... but I didn't hate it either

I don't hate it now either, what I feel is absolute disgust and revulsion... everything russian seems nasty and... repulsive... despicable.... nauseous.... it doesn't rise to the level of hate....

I despise the russian people for being lazy and handing over so much unchecked power to putain...

I do maybe hate putain and lavrov and pestov and patrushev and kadyrov... etc etc etc human filth with blood on their hands

Is that clear?

Yes, maf, perfectly clear. I share your feelings - RuSSians will need decades to become a civilised nation - right now it is a Mongolian horde of brainwashed slaves.

Except a few decent Russians: e.g, the ones who run such groups as Memorial or fight against Putinists on the side of Ukrainians. .

Memo to RT haters: Read this and try to find just one sentence with editorial bias. Just one damn sentence. This is how world-class journalism looks. Your Western news outlets are pure garbage compared to RT.

csmtimes.com/ukraine-declares-energy-emergency

Not a single disparaging comment about Ukraine and not a single attempt to whitewash Russia. Bottom line: If I didn't tell you that it's from RT you, Russia and RT haters, wouldn't know who published this article.

great longform article with lots of inside ruski leaks
nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

One of the problems so clearly visible in this thread is that we see things from different elevations and over different time periods.

Intelligent posters like me see Europe and Russia all at once, not as disconnected fragments. From that pov, we also notice the red NATO dots lighting up where there were none. Putin sees them too on his gigantic map on the wall and, with animation, how they changed over time. No, Putin is not stupid or poorly informed. His black-and-white haters are.

Chicks and girlie men look at things from ground level - today and now - and sob over dead babies and raped women without knowing who did it. The elephant in the room goes unnoticed.

News outlets everywhere - under the rule of it leads if it bleeds - cater to them by happily feeding them with pictures of horrors that reinforce their sense of moral superiority and holy indignation with the added implication - if not a direct accusation - that what they just saw is unique to this conflict and, of course, to the target of the day - Russia.

Bad Russia, good NATO, what's for dinner... Life is simple.

Darling, why should any free democratic country in Europe care about what Putin sees on his imperial map?? The time of the RuSSian empire has come to an end - it is collapsing before our eyes. The initial stage took place in 1991, now we see the final convulsions.


Exactly!!! NATO consists of countries which freely CHOSE to be in it. While RuSSia needs to conquer and occupy coz nobody sane wants to belong to it.

It's so sad, when people are proud to be suckers....


Challenge.... accepted!

First there is no such thing as journalism without editorial bias. Doesn't exist. At best journalists can acknowledge their biases and try to overcome them but that is never completely accomplished.

That said, bias is expressed in various ways....

Bias of inclusion (including unnecessary details in order to prejudice the reader)

Bias of exclusion (leaving out necessary details in order to prejudice the reader)

Bias of distortion (choosing words with particular connotations in order to prejudice the reader)

Bias of prevarication (lying in order to prejudice the reader).

Let's dive in.....

"reports of a new wave of Russian missile strikes against the country's critical infrastructure"

missing agent.... russian missile strikes are presented almost as a force of nature as if they fly on their own (similar to the car running people over in Waukesha with no mention of the driver)

and 'critical infrastructure' implies 'critical for someone'.... missiles are usually shot (by more normal countries) against military targets, leaving the word 'civilian' out can lead the gullible or lazy reader into thinking these are strikes against the Ukrainian military (legitimate target) and not civilian infrastructure (a war crime).

let's try

"reports of russia sending a new wave of missile strikes against the country's criticial civilian infrastructure"

"Kiev's launch of several sabotage operations

source? who is claiming this and what is their evidence?

"against civilian infrastructure in Russia including the Crimean Bridge bombing"

Ah.. note the only use of the word 'civilian' in the article is about a bridge used by russia to transport military equipment (therefore a legitimate military target)

let's try

"The attacks came against a backdrop of accusations in state media of Ukrainian involvement in "sabotage" iniside russia and alleged Ukrainian involvement in an attack on the bridge linking russian-occupied Crimea to the russian mainland."

I win, you lose... your sentence is to keep consuming 'news' from an organization devoted to "total information control".

OK, genius, what in this sentence would tell you that it came from RT rather than NYT?

One of the problems so clearly visible in this thread is that people want to blame NATO when in fact little boy Vlad has stated many times publicly that NATO was not a reason for his invasion. How many fvcking times to we have to read the same nothingburger claims about NATO when Putin himself denies them?

Another problem with this threat is that the Russian supporters can not even recognize that Russia is losing. Yes. LOSING. Little boy Vlad's days are numbered. Telling the people of Russia it will take three years to recover the other day when every leading economic expert has said it will take Russia decades to recover. Meanwhile throwing billions of dollars into bombing Ukraine and his own people go hungry. But, there is good news on the horizon. During Christmas, Putin himself will be serving that wonderful evergreen branch, one potato and a rock soup in Red Square that everyone loves so much. Of course he will be doing it as he drives up in a Mercedees and not a beautiful Lada.

I dunno... the NYT does have a soft russian bias.....

leaving off the word 'civilian' is journalistic malpractice

using "Kiev" rather than "Kyiv" shows pro-russian bias

not sourcing "Kiev's launch of several sabotage operations" is journalistic malpractice

referring to the Kerch bridge as "civilian infrastructure" and not referencing the occupied status of Crimea is journalistic malpractice

I have some journalistic training and almost no modern source complies with what used to be minimal standards for journalism...