Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

This data is available to the Polish government since their bodies had to brought back to Poland. We should not have to use wiki. Nice try, though...

So what is the official Polish body count according to the Polish government statistics?

Look it up if you're so interested. You know Polish, supposedly, and there's always google tłumacz....

So you live in Poland and were never interested in how many Poles died In Ukraine? Do you watch the evening news?

I have no reason to think the number is large and am not interested in exact numbers at this stage...

Here is one who was recently killed while defending Ukrainians from maniac russian genocidists... Janusz Sheremata

twitter.com/LvivJournal/status/1599863373138911234

You don't have to think. Just watch TV.
So what is the last published death data?

If you're interest then find it yourself. Why do you want others do to your research for you?

@Novichok
Just now in German TV. There are 13000 dead Ukrainian soldiers vs. 95000 dead russians since beginning. So 6 dead Poles are probably true. For sure not 1200.

Probably a few more but we're talking double not triple (much less quadruple) figures....

but russian lies dig deep into the minds of the weak and gullible...

I don't watch Polish TV. I thought you would know since you do.

Or is the Polish gov hiding that number from the Polish citizens? Please tell me that ain't so...Or they just don't care and remain happily stupid?


Probably is not a number.
Wiki reports 2 Poles killed in a raging war. That number is lower than the number of casualties in one hour in Chicago any Saturday night.

This is getting so ridiculous that it's almost funny.

My working assumption (which I will give up in light of credible evidence to the contrary) maybe very low double figures, probably well under 50.

russian disinformation is all about creating chaos by putting flagrant lies into the public domain so people can argue about them... I'm not going to waste my time proving or disproving russian disinformation - if that floats your boat then have at it.


I don't get news about the war from mainstream media (including RT)

I monitor feeds by people on the ground or who have contacts on the ground in Ukraine and a few russian sources (mostly not in russia but they have information on russian motivations and values).

Whenever I do fall for a sensational urgent headline I usually find it's something I knew two days or more earlier.

Currently Ukraine isn't doing much because it's still mud season they're waiting for the ground to freeze while russia continues its human wave attacks with raw untrained recruits and prisoners and who knows who else.... russia is also installing defense lines that come straight from military strategy 100 years ago and which won't help them much now

russia also keeps attacking civilian infrastructure cause... that's about all they have.... just why they think people they're trying to freeze to death will want to join them in their garbage country is not that clear but russians never were good at thinking through consequences....

Darling, can you tell us how RuSSian propaganda reacted to NATO attacks on Serbia?? Where they:
a/neutral
b/delighted
c/furious
???


Darling, stop prying in this pathetic style of yours, devoid of any logical reasoning. There weren`t 1200 dead Polish volunteers in Ukraine coz it would mean 1200 or at least 1000 extra funerals in Poland. And nothing like that is taking place here. The media would go crazy about it instantly.

So, stop those stupidities coz you are making a fool of yourself as usual.

So the Polish government does not know how many Poles died in the Ukraine war or it knows but hides it.
It's a simple binary conclusion based on your ignorance here.

Darling, what is their business in knowing it? It is Polish volunteers` business what they do in and with their life, isn`t it??? What is your point apart from obsessively sicking attention???

Poles fighting in the war there are not doing so as private individuals, not members of the Polish armed forces... so not so much a public issue unless the numbers really are large (which would be hard to hide).

More desperate games of distraction... you're really bad at this.

Why doesn't the russian government release figures about sabotage being carried out on its territory? that's weird....

I know russians tend to be bunglers and aren't careful but word is that putain is worried that so many buildings have been going boom lately?

How many?

Irrelevant.

The relevant facts are how many coffins with dead Poles inside were brought to Poland from Ukraine and what was the cause of death. The Polish government has a duty to know it because (1) those coffins have to go through border control or customs and their contents must be examined, and (2) autopsies are done by government personnel and the death certificates must be issued.

Neither of these functions is ever delegated to private companies or persons. Conclusion: Polish government has an up-to-date body count but won't say what it is.

Don`t be stupid. PiS gov has other problems than counting coffins. It is the media`s matter in fact. And they didn`t notice anything unusual with coffins crossing the border. :):):)

I'd liked to see that "sociological survey", please :)))


Yes, that's the info from Polish media:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/polski-ochotnik-zginal-w-ukrainie-wychowanie-syna-wyszlo-mi-w-kazdym-calu/hmyp9qx

The article is about one that was killed recently, but the remaining five are named too.
The last volunteer was fascinated with AK (Home Army) and the Silent Unseen. He was a member of a board of a foundation which is helping AK veterans. His father is friends with one of the creators of GROM so that Polish volunteer was always close to the military, even though he never became a soldier. Until he went to Ukraine. He was better trained than many professional soldiers though and he ended up in a recon unit there.

He told his mother: "Mom, if I won't be fighting there, they will come here."

😢

Chwała bohaterom. 🇵🇱🇺🇦

Individuals acting on their own behalf do not bury with military honors. Usually...


wydawnictwo.krytykapolityczna.pl/polacy-za-ukraina-ale-przeciw-ukraincom-sierakowski-sadura-1100

Quoting from:
wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/polski-ochotnik-zginal-w-ukrainie-wychowanie-syna-wyszlo-mi-w-kazdym-calu/hmyp9qx

Polski ochotnik Daniel S. zginął w Ukrainie. Walczył w wojskach specjalnych
Daniel S. jest szóstym polskich ochotnikiem, który zginął, walcząc z Rosją na ukraińskim froncie

In English:

Polish volunteer Daniel S. died in Ukraine. He fought in special forces
Daniel S. is the sixth Polish volunteer who died fighting with Russia on the Ukrainian front

Conclusions:
1. "Special forces" are not private. PF Russia haters lied.
2. Somebody is counting dead Poles. PF Russia haters lied.
3. Poles don't know Polish. It should be polskim, not polskich.

That book is from 2019. I've seen polls from 2022 showing very positive attitudes towards Ukrainians. I even posted them on this forum, as far as I remember.


He fought in Ukrainian special forces, not Polish. So why his death would be the business of the Polish government? He wasn't a Polish soldier, so from Polish perspective he was a private citizen and his death and bringing his body back to Poland was a private matter of his family.

Ah, sorry, no, the book is from 2022, it's just in the description there's a mention of some report from 2019. I have quickly skimmed through this book and I haven't noticed any statistical data or polls though. It looks like a loose, anecdotal gathering of some comments, conversations - I've seen such comments on the Polish internet, but they were usually coming from nationalists, Konfederacja voters and such (and probably RuSSian trolls too), which are a minority in the Polish society. I don't have the time to read this book now, so if someone finds any data or polls results in there - let us know.


The two farmers who were killed by the missile in Przewodów had state funerals.

After a quick search I found the recent polls which show that the attitudes of majority of Poles towards refugees from Ukraine and towards helping them in Poland are, surprisingly, still positive (the exeption are, as I wrote, Konfederacja voters) - an article from November:

oko.press/wyjatkowa-postawa-wobec-uchodzcow-z-ukrainy-sondaz-oko-press

An earlier poll, but also recent - from the end of October - 71% of Poles support Poland taking in refugees from Ukraine:

polskieradio24.pl/5/1222/artykul/3068296,wiekszosc-polakow-nadal-chce-pomagac-ukraincom-zobacz-nowy-sondaz

That means he was paid in money, food, shelter, and medical care. In other words, a hired killer went to Ukraine to feel good while killing.

Do you know why the Polish government hides death data?

Quoting NBC:

A Biden administration official recently told members of Congress that Ukraine has the military capability to retake Crimea, but some officials are concerned any large-scale offensive that threatens Russia's hold on the peninsula could push Vladimir Putin to use nuclear weapons, say two U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Memo to the chief moron in the White House: Tell Zhole not to even think about it and immediately apply for Nobel Prize for Peace.

A hired defender went to protect people from russian nazis.... fixed that for ya.

@Novichok
Statistics are kept when there is an anomaly or unique occurrence such as a pandemic or war. Those statistics are kept and published by those participating in those events. Poland is not an active participant in the war and therefore has no need to track deaths of volunteers who went to Ukraine, the number is not large enough to quantify a percentage of the population effected. In the pandemic though Poland was a participant, and the numbers were not only large enough, but impactful enough to justify measurement. Since there is a concern about these numbers, I would wonder why you are not asking Russia just how many of their little boys have been sent to their deaths and why haven't they published that information. That is a much more interesting number and question to be asked.

@Velund
Military honors burial? Will you get one for cowering in your mom's basement instead of heading out to fight the righteous fight in Ukraine against the Nazi, Satanist, demagoguery leadership of Ukraine? Lots of tough talk from a troll who can volunteer his experience, but does not. We have many words to describe such people, coward, pu$$y, punk, and a few others come to mind. Again, wtf are you even doing here?

russia WANTS TO ATTACK THE US (AND WHOLE PLANET) WITH NUKES!!!!!!

Don't just believe me, this is russian state TV....

twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1603800122604888064

So now the question is.... are supporters of russia against Ukraine actually traitors in the legal sense? Is supporting russia in public giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US?

What should the penalty for such treason be?

Watching that clip with its non sequiturs about bears in Yellowstone makes it obvious that those Russian TV hosts have just been following tradition by getting totally plastered before work

If that's the way you think about soldiers defending a country against an invasion then that's your problem. That Polish volunteer's motivation was explained in that article plainly enough - it's there for everyone to read and no matter how much crap you or other hypocritical Putinists will throw at that guy, it won't change the fact that to normal, decent people he's a hero.


That's a loaded question :) First of all, it's not the Polish government's duty to inform the public about the deaths of Polish volunteers in Ukraine. The Ukrainian side is doing that, Polish media is doing that - that's enough.

Yesterday's Ukr report - 40 incoming missiles to Kiev, 37 was shot down. In another official source - 9 critical infrastructure objects hit in Kiev (without details how many times each). ;)

Now critically minded Ukrainians trying to figure out how those sneaky Russians was able to hit 3 targets by one missile. ;)

I think, we can expect similar reliability from any other information that come from Kiev...