Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

Well, it means also collective responsibility for his crimes.🤔

Putin told a Russian news reporter in an interview that aired on Russian media on Christmas Day that the Kremlin is ready to negotiate but their enemy are the ones refusing to talk.

The comments from the Russian leader follow intense Russian shelling on the Ukrainian city of Kherson on Christmas Eve that killed at least 10 people and injured more than 50 others.

Zelensky denounced Russia as "absolute evil" on Saturday following the deadly strikes, which he said were for "the sake of intimidation and pleasure."
Zelensky has laid out a series of 10 conditions that must be met for peace to be achieved, including total Russian withdrawal from Ukrainian territory.
This would also include a Russian withdrawal from the Crimean Peninsula under the Ukrainian demands.
It is starting to look like this has been the plan since 2014 by the West.

And there's yet another shopping centre on fire in r*SSia.

A lot of things burning down there right now.

Thank you for that intelligent and truthful post. To the short-vision Russia haters, everything starts with the first Russian tank that rolled into Ukraine in February. Nothing before that matters.


Russia lost 30 million people way back and still won.

And luckily you are still using the same rifles and tanks from that epic victory - no bullets and no spare parts but they still function

So... 100,000 down... 29,900,000 to go...... that's.... overall acceptable....

putain himself recently said 99,9 per cent of russians are willing to give everything for his war..... let's not get in their way

People here were anti-Russian before the Soviet Union was even created.

So what? They may well lose far more this time.

And the more they throw at Ukraine, the greater the resistance will be. Interesting to see the r*SSians building defence lines well into their own territory; they obviously expect a crushing defeat including loss of Crimea and Donbas.

Does anyone here know what happened to the Ukrainians in Crimea who voted against joining the Russian Federation?

It is very simple, everybody who supports Putin is our enemy. Good russian is a dead russian similary to "good German is a dead German" in WW2.

What did the Russians do to you to be your enemy? I said, "you" and nobody else. Let others speak for themselves.

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Russia's tactic of taking out Ukrainian energy systems is brilliant. People who are shivering and hungry are less likely to believe Zelensky's lies that they are winning.

Z is no longer claiming U is winning according to Webster. U is winning "hearts and minds".

Blasts were heard at Russia's Engels air base hundreds of miles from front lines in Ukraine, reported early on Monday.
There was no immediate official confirmation of the blasts.
The RBC-Ukraine news agency reported that two explosions took place.
The Russian news outlet Baza reported, citing local residents, that air raid sirens were wailing and an explosion was heard.
This has to be upsetting to Putin's cancer woes.

That is a fair enough comment.

There are reports this morning of panic buying in r*SSia ahead of new year. It's clear that the quantity and range of imported products there is falling fast.

And more news of fires and explosiogs deep inside r*SSia. They started it; let them reap what they sowed.

Once again more stupid comparisons to WW2. Who was it again that used a lend lease program to provide the allies the ability to defeat the Nazi's? Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today's currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945, it was Russia who used US equipment. It was a freezing winter that saved Russia from the Nazi's. And it is now a freezing winter that will keep Russia from making more advances in Ukraine. Bombs can fall and missiles can fly, but the war for Russia is already over. Every day puts Russia one month away from returning to what it was not even a year ago. So, when your enemy is destroying itself internally, get out of the way and let them continue. Eventually they will figure out it was over months ago.

But hey, who cares about the facts. Thats always the way with Putinazi's. Putins popularity in Russia when taking a survey conducted at gunpoint was 80%, the other 20% decided to just take the bullet rather than continue under his rule. Surveys of Russians are about as useful as surveys done by PiS.

I am not an issue, however collective responsibility means that now it is a war between all Russians and all Europeans + all Americans minus Novi. Is that a sufficient answer?

What's up with russian banks? Word is some have turned off their ATM's and/or not allowing withdrawals....

Also a new law makes it illegal for russian banks to communicate with clients through messenger systems based outside of russia...

Also talk of the government going for private savings in the new year, turning them into war bonds....

pass the popcorn....

@mafketis
You know what happens in these scenarios? Usually the currency goes bust at some point and ceases to exist. The two oldest currencies in the world are the British Pound and the USD and the US is not even 250 years old. More than 200 currencies have gone through this nearly exact process. Consider Russia's stock market is still closed keeping foreign investors from being able to pull out, on top of inflation, and the Ruble in free fall, and you have a country headed toward Syria status for the economy. The rumors of conversion to war bonds are pretty strong now from some very reliable financial sources.

Russia's central bank on Friday said it would delay raising banks' mandatory foreign currency reserve requirements to March 1, 2023 from Jan. 1. This is a sign of deep trouble. Couple it with Russia trading with India now looking to stop using the Euro and USD, with no real alternative currency, Russia is in really big trouble. No one else is going to join their alternate currency strategy other than more turd world countries who have no buying power anyway. Putin is in way over his head no financially. The good old days of 1991 will be remembered as the glory days of Russia when this is all over. The Russian people are going to take the biggest financial fvcking in history all thanks to little Vlads imperial dreams.

Fingers crossed.

This would certainly turn Russians against Putinescu and cause massive unrest against his rule.

Putin has basically nationalized Yandex - the Russian Google (though of course light years behind in technology). Moved Kudrin, a public servant with no business experience there, also because Kudrin was causing problems in the finance ministry by pointing out that Russia is going broke

Think soon it will be difficult to search for "where can I withdraw money" or "where can I buy sugar"

Huge falls in oil and gas revenue - now down 41 percent once you take out dodgy Russian accounting

A cynic who takes things like freedom or democracy for granted since he never had to fight for them.

What's funny is when Russia is a wasteland resembling the worst of the depression, these Putin and Russia supporters will blame everything on the USA and NATO. When it is and will always be that Putin wanted to regain former lands of the USSR. These are his reasons, and his publicly stated desires. Not this NATO bull$hit or any other thing spouted by the minions.

When old people have their savings converted to war bonds in January, and private industry comes under control of the military, the Russian economy will collapse into depression state, and inflation will skyrocket. The black market will become very active again in the back alleys and basements. Crime will once again be on the rise, and neighbors will snitch on neighbors for anything just to get ahead. Sound like the good old USSR days? Welcome back to the future. Happy gulag mother fvckers!

@Novichok
Once again apples to basketballs. Russia will be a wasteland shorty. But you would never know because you have never been there or Ukraine. You speak with inexperienced opinions. When Apalachia and Louisiana are in Russia it will be worth discussing, until then irrelevant. Apparently you are unaware of the cheap designer drugs used in Russia that are killing off their young. Worse than meth and more prevalent than Fentanyl. Again, do some research and compare apples to apples.

Ukraine already is.

@Novichok
Again, you show your ignorance. Ukraine in some cities, formerly industrialized for the most part, look very much like Gary Indiana. You would also know that many cities in Russia look the same and they haven't been bombed out, just developed and taken care of the Russian way. Lviv still beautiful. Kiev still vibrant. Missiles from the Orc keep flying and getting shot down. Russians keep dying in massive numbers, the meat gets processed as it comes in. Putinazis from around the world long for the days of horse-riding bear chested wannabe dictators who are really just Napoleonic complex worshipers. As the toilet bowl of Putin and Russia swirls down the drain, hold on to those dreams of conquest and hold your breath as the blood of young Russian men washes over the turd that is Russia on its way to the sewar.

youtu.be/GpdJ_FXHiPk

2022.12.23 Will Poland Be The Next Proxy-I Think Yes

Exactly. This is what current Russia will look like in 10 years:

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Polands' aid to Ukraine will come in the form of geographically absorbing the Western portion of it. Perhaps.

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Contrary to many vatniks' claims the West didn't initially want Poland or other Central Eastern Europe countries in NATO. There was much hesitation concerning the matter and even more fears about "what would Russia do". Former Soviet colonies were offered participation in the "Partnership for Peace" initiative, a framework of cooperation with NATO which however did not grant the post-communist countries adequate security guarantees.

There was much concern in CEE countries that the soft promise of NATO membership will not materialize. And then our president, Lech Walesa started publicly talking about getting nuclear weaponry for Poland, if other ways of gaining security wouldn't be available. Of course, if we actually tried to seriously do it, we would b lose a lot of Western goodwill... but the risk was there and we had enough post-soviet know-how and scientists at home, to actually achieve that.

At this point the West understood that they have to get more serious about negotiations with CEE countries. Soon we got our NATO perspective and invitation to 'individual dialogue'. In 1997 main negotiations took place and in 1999 first countries of the region - Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary joined the Alliance, paving the way for other post-soviet states.

What makes you think so? Most Poles don`t want this scenario. Now I am talking about 95% majority.

:):) In Russia. While in Poland it is different. Never forget it. Poland and Russia are slavic countries but people`s attitudes are completely different.
Thank God. :):):)