Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

I wonder if there will be a kind of christmas truce in Ukraine like along the western front in WWI......

The Russian army are more comparable to the Nazis of WW2 - merciless murderers and rapists - so I doubt it

They will however be drunk on Christmas Day - - just like the other 364 days of the year

They have Christmas on 06 January.

...then probably not!

10 months of fighting, dying and destruction. What a tragedy. And no end in sight. At this rate, Putin's war will leave two ruined countries behind.

That's precisely what he wants.


He probably hasn't grasped that trade with r*SSia, either exports or oil/gas imports, to western countries will never resume to the same level during the lifetime of anyone reading this. And of course with the move away from fossil fuels to nuclear, his economy will only shrink.

So how would Ukraine look if it was losing? I mean what would we see from 1000 feet?

@Novichok
Ukraine would look like it was loading up dead Orc's into refrigerated boxcars waiting for the Orc's to retrieve their dead. In other words it would like it has for months now. Still better than some parts of Chicago.

You will not be able to see that from 1000 feet. So far, U looks like Warsaw after that idiotic uprising.

How about dropping those idiotic metaphors and Orcs and answering my simple question that every sensible person can answer: How do we know that we lost and that any further resistance borders on criminal? Poland, France, Germany, and Japan did just that to prevent more deaths. Even stupid AK knew it was over when it was over.

So I am going to ask again...How would Z know that's over? How many Us have to die or leave the country? How many cities must be like 1944 Warsaw? How many billions must the US taxpayers fork over before saying enough and letting Putin have his Minsk, neutrality, and the Russian-speaking territories?

Yes, I already know the answer every moron has on standby when cornered: whatever it takes. Or some evasive crap about "mongols" and "barbarians". See #1869.

There will be no Putin at the end of this war Rich - so there is no point acceding to any of his demands, especially when Russia has no way to win the war.

Back in Feb you were suggesting that Ukraine should surrender. That was before it turned out the Russians were drunk pensioners who don't know which way round to hold the rifle and who are fighting with Korean War equipment

My bad....So tell me - in numbers - what would the difference be today if they followed my totally brilliant advice?
Remember...Numbers, not adjectives sprinkled over an incomprehensible essay with mongols, barbarians, orcs, and Putin being off meds.


You, Poles, don't even know what is so your attempts to be another Nostradamus are laughable.

You don't know what is because the Western "press" places inconvenient facts into that big black hole where the truth is supposed to stay for the next century. Today, adjusting for the absence of gulags, the West, including the US, is actually worse than the USSR used to be in the freedom of speech department. Whatever the ruling Western mob allows is deliberate as a safety valve. See Fox.

BTW, I owe Velund an apology for arguing with him about our 1st Amendment. Sorry, Velund, you were correct.


If that's the standard to judge the current war, Germany won in Stalingrad.

Quoting:

NATO fighting 'fear and meltdowns' among Kiev's troops - Daily Beast
Ukraine can't afford for soldiers to "fall apart" on the battlefield, the outlet reported

Psychological trauma is a major preoccupation in Western armies, whose expeditionary wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have caused four times as many casualties from suicide than from combat, according to a 2021 Brown University study.

Did you catch that 4 to 1? That's what happens when the ruling mob sends a man to kill those who were never a threat to him.

Uks are in the same category since they know what Russia did in Crimea: Nothing that's worth dying for.

That's the thing.....there is sadly a good chance of russian soldiers and secret service misbehaving in a surrendered Ukraine...if the massgraves filled with civilians in Butcha, Mariupol etc. would be examples of such a possible option.

I even think fear of a russian occupation is what drives in big parts the ukrainian resistance. If Putin's story of Russia liberating Ukrainians from Nazis would be true this war would be long over....

Nonsense. As I just said, they know what awaits those under Russian occupation. Nothing. See Crimea.
Today, Uk soldiers want only one thing...to surrender to the Russians for the same reason why Germans were so desperate to surrender to the Americans in the last days of WW2.

Well....I wouldn't call it "nothing":

....According to the United Nations and multiple NGOs,Russia is responsible for multiple human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary detention, forced disappearances and instances of discrimination, including persecution of Crimean Tatars in Crimea since the illegal annexation.[295][296] The UN Human Rights Office has documented multiple human rights violations in Crimea. Noting that minority Crimean Tatars have been disproportionately affected.[297][298....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#Human_rights_situation

...In March 2014, Human Rights Watch reported that pro-Ukrainian activists and journalists had been attacked, abducted, and tortured by "self-defense" groups.[300] Some Crimeans were simply "disappeared" with no explanation.[301]....

...On 9 May 2014, the new "anti-extremist" amendment to the Criminal Code of Russia, passed in December 2013, came into force. Article 280.1 designated incitement of violation of territorial integrity of the Russian Federation[302] (incl. calls for secession of Crimea from Russia[303]) as a criminal offense in Russia, punishable by a fine of 300 thousand roubles or imprisonment up to 3 years. If such statements are made in public media or the internet, the punishment could be obligatory works up to 480 hours or imprisonment up to five years.[302]

According to a report released on the Russian government-run President of Russia's Council on Civil Society and Human Rights website, Tatars who were opposed to Russian rule have been persecuted, Russian law restricting freedom of speech has been imposed, and the new Russian authorities "liquidated" the Kyiv Patriarchate Orthodox church on the peninsula.[304][46] The Crimean Tatar television station was also shut down by the Russian authorities.[301] ...

The Ukrainians are fairly sure what awaits them should they surrender....they chose the fight and often subsequently death. What does that say about the Russians?

Eh ? Even today Russia have been shelling Russian speaking civilians in Kherson. They are thieving scum and so nobody wants to live like them any more.

And of course nobody wants do surrender to Russian rapists - in fact surrender traffic is the other way. Ukrainian soldiers have seen how the Russians treat their own "soldiers" so can only guess how POWs would be treated.

Russia's own defense capacity has been depleted by about 50 percent - they lost officers, planes, ships, tanks but more importantly everyone now knows they have very poorly trained troops, third rate equipment and logistics that are managed by alkies who can barely work out where their next bottle of bimber is coming from

Half is a bit optimistic, though. No one really knows how many T-55 and T-34s the putinas have stashed away.

@Novichok
And Russia's land grab is worth 100K dead Russian boys? You have absolutely no clue about anything other than your own opinion based on your little experience as a boy. If that is even true. You are no patriot, you cant even be true to the country that took you in. Go back under your rock. Happy gulag mother fvckers!

I told you to fu*ck off of me. Seven "you"s in one short paragraph reveal what you really are.

I am an American by choice and, thus, better than half of them. I hate the US ruling globalist mob that so easily and quickly found billions to protect Uks but can't find 30 measly billions to protect the US by building a wall as effective as the one we paid for in Israel.


I know I won when the enemy - like a child throwing a temper tantrum - goes this low. Over and over...


Russia's "land grab" next door can be defended a lot easier than Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan - all thousands of miles away and posing zero threat to the US.

The USSR made a mistake and paid dearly for it in 1941 and beyond. Replace Hitler with NATO and ... figure out the rest on your own. Start with the 2014 "revolution".

No, Russia didn't lose 100,000 dead. It is Ukraine that did.

This takes some sick son of a ******* to do such a thing on Christmas Eve to gain what.
Zelensky says Russia is killing for the sake of 'pleasure' after busy streets in the recaptured city of Kherson were attacked on Christmas Eve, leaving at least 10 dead. :-(

And you know nothing about Crimea that wasn't spoon fed to you like a baby by RT....

Stop living in your narcissistic bubble and engage with lots of other viewpoints... you might (probably not, but might) learn something.

The latest Christmas statistics from r*SSia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

102,000 r*SSian families have been visited by Santa Putler on his sleigh, bringing them a new Lada.

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You are judging Ukrainians according to corrupt Russian standards? You shouldn`t coz it is clear they are fighting for their country not for money. It is Russian soldiers who fight for financial graitification, e.g, goods looted from Ukrainians homes like TVs and washing machines.

......and toilet bowls.🤭

For every washing machine and toilet bowl stolen by the Russians, Z and his buddies stole a billion American tax dollars.

No - those dollars were voted for, by the elected representatives of the US people. We thank them for helping rid the world of Nazi drunks and rapists.

Story of FTX cryptocurrency exchange (that accumulated a lot of "support ukraine" funds, make VERY generous donations to US democratic party electoral funds and then went bankrupt) leave a lot of questions about this...

BTW: Looks like I lost about $350 worth of crypto on FTX....

Stick to the topic please

Think before you post. That "no" negates my claim that the money Z got was stolen by Z and his buddies. I didn't say anything about how that money got there.

FYI civically minded limited ability to understand how corrupt the US "elected representatives" are, any attempt to do audit how the U money was spent was killed immediately without any debate or a floor vote. So take your Civics 101 and ... store it.

Putin's popularity in Russia is over 80%.

In the troll farm it probably is 80 percent - he pays you to do nothing useful, even on 25th December and you get free Nicaraguan coffee and all the sprats you can eat.

Go to one of the Asian republics where he is recruiting the poor saps for a senseless death and I imagine he is less popular