Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

Monthly production volume?

Not relly, Karrar is only a modified Soviet T90.

@Bobi

Thank you for the answer. Very interesting conjecture, but based on what we have already seen of Russia's "state of the art" equipment as well as of her industrial prowess, I'd be rather sceptical of your optimistic vision.


I don't know the exact number, but it's enough for our army needs and can probably be expanded if such need arises. Poland is not yet in war-production mode but this may change. Counting on Russia out-producing the joint NATO industries in the long run is a bit naive (to put it very mildly).

birdinflight.com/en/inspiration/20221111-nobuo-kiuchi-drawings.html

""I guess the ongoing war in Ukraine would have pretty much upset my father. Because he always said that there are no winners in war. Regardless of the final outcome, each side bears huge losses. His only desire was for peace to be established in the world from now on. This is my wish as well," says Masato."

I.e. 50-70 practical (no explosive) shells per month during summertime for personnel training?

:)

Underestimating your enemy. Good!

Actually, we can`t read about their state of the art equipment. Quite the contrary, we can read that Russian soldiers lack everything and primary school students in Russia proper raise funds to buy them winter socks.

Yes, we prefer not to trust you coz you lied multiple times before.


Yes, the sauce for the goose is the sauce for the gander which means that Russians also deplete their ammo stocks irrevocably.


Still it is 10 tanks a month, 350 per year. Nice. You lost 1200 tanks within 10 months of the war. It will take years to make up for the losses. That is why I asked about Iranian tanks for you. :):)

Don't read ukrainian newspapers before breakfast. ;) And where is all that "lost" tanks, by your opinion?

Many of them were abandoned in working condition, so they are being used on Ukrainian side at the moment. Russia is currently the largest supplier of heavy equipment for AFU.

Really, stop reading ukrainian newspapers... ;)

460 main battle tanks, among other equipment...

youtube.com/watch?v=amiH4rogchw

... and that's 2 months ago.

While I can't claim to have caught you in a lie, many times I have seen you engage in some wishful, characteristically Polish, thinking. I understand your sentiments in this war, but in the end it is not your war. Russia is not Poland. It is not some Eastern European country with certain limits and obvious externalities that have to be considered. We are 150 million people with a large share of the planet's surface under our management. We all like each other, and despite differences amongst ourselves, we unite against outside agents seeking to ruin us. If we want, we can win this war against the entire world if need be - simply the price will be too steep. That's why in the end there have to be negotiations and an imperfect peace.

No need for that. We read Western sources:

According to the Dutch warfare research group Oryx, Russia has lost 1,450 tanks since the war began, nearly 900 of which have been damaged or destroyed. The rest were abandoned by the Russians, and many of those ultimately have since been captured by the Ukrainians. In the last two months, since the Ukrainian army launched twin counteroffensives in eastern and southern Ukraine, the Russian army has lost an average of nearly 10 tanks a day.

And you are so wrong here - most Poles consider it their war too. That is why we are so engaged in helping Ukraine.


143 exactly and gradually depopulating due to alcoholism, low standard of life, AIDS, lack of perspectives, emigration etc.


No, you can win neither a conventional war nor a nuclear war with the entire world. :):):) Stop daydreaming.

It's not lies - it's called maskirovka. ;)

Do you remember Veli telling us in February that all the Russian soldiers on Ukrainian borders are only on exercise there and we were all crazy to think that there were any invasion coming? :D Maskirovka, pawian - the great art of deception. :)


Please read your post #1830 one more time, and tell me again about characteristically Polish wishful thinking. ;)

Imperfect peace means that Western sanctions will remain. Do you really want it???


It is really pitiful that both Bobko and Velund are intent on defending the lost cause of Russian imperial obsession. Instead of wasting billions on armament which gets destroyed so easily in Ukraine, Russia should have invested its fuel profits into improving the standard of life of its citizens. I have just read an article about a Russian tourist resort whose 1/3 residents are staying in cold flats without heating and electricity due to obsolete old infrastructure which fails regularly.

fakt.pl/wydarzenia/nie-ma-tam-wojny-a-ludzie-nie-maja-ogrzewania-jak-marzna-rosjanie/pb648v5

A state of emergency has been declared in the city of Sludianka in the Irkutsk region. However, there is no war there and the Ukrainian services do not conduct any operations there. Anyway, why should they, since Sludianka is a tourist town that lies in deep Russia, on Lake Baikal. The reason for the state of emergency is "typically Russian". The temperature dropped to minus 25 degrees, and one third of people in the city do not have heat and electricity, because the installations... broke down due to old age.

wsj.com/articles/europe-is-rushing-arms-to-ukraine-but-running-out-of-ammo-11671707775

I hope WSJ is not Putin propaganda (yet)? ;)

Yes, and we can read similar articles about Russia running out of ammo and begging North Korea or Iran for it.,

Yes, it's a pity. Bobi's "we can take on the entire world if need be" kind of reminds me of Mussolini's "Molti nemici, molto onore!" (and probably will end up with similar effect too). Oh, well.

And still, depite all that, I feel instinctive sympathy to Russia and her people (not the putinist regime, of course) and am still totally unable to incite in me the fire of love towards Ukraine. Sorry. :)


The fact that such realistic articles are written by the free press is precisely the reason why we will be able to notice the problem and solve it in due time...


... and that's exactly what is going to happen. And Europe has the financial means and industrial capacity to do that. Can Russia say the same about herself?

OK. It has to be accepted coz people`s choices can sometimes be a complete mystery even to themselves as there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in human philosophy. :):):)

I don't believe the disclaimer... you feel "instinctive sympathy" to russia _because_ of its horrible history and staggeringly awful social structure with no individual rights or human dignity.... I used to have a large instinctive sympathy for Hungary but Orban killed it... I have no interest in the country anymore.

russians chose putain because they're infantile and terrified of personal responsibility... what's attractive about that?

Your loss.....if you think that Orban is Hungary then I overestimated you.

@mafketis

What I find attractive about Russia and her people? I wrote about it many times here and in other threads, so I won't repeat myself. Nothing to do with Putin.

Maybe better days will come one day for Russophiles like me, and maybe it will be easier for us to explain then why Russia is, in fact, a natural and logical ally for Poland. For the time being, the putinists have to be defeated and the danger averted. The future, however, will see Poles and Russians walking together in peace and friendship - of this I have no doubt.

I can give you one better:

"Heute gehört uns Deutschland, morgen die ganze Welt!"

People should beware of politicians starting to sprout such nonsense, they need to be removed!

@BB

I agree 100%. Hence Poland's unwavering support for Ukraine.

No, it''s not Poland and its support. It's me and my taxes being wasted on a sh*ithole without any importance to the US.

Without the American money and equipment, this bullsh*it would not even start. Poland is zero and, at best, a victim of the millions of Uks that will never leave.

BTW, skip the crap that they are an asset since nobody in the West wants them.

Oh, and just one more thing...You guys got me convinced that U is winning so I am curious how U would look if U was losing.

Hilarious morning reading from Velund and Bobko. Two Russian pu$$ies talking tough from mommies basement. One hiding behind the life the US has given him, and one hopeful that all he has been indoctrinated into was not a lie in his own country. The criminal Russian mentality is a product of their gulag and prison like upbringing. Lies upon lies are the foundation of Russian life. The everlasting belief that the government will win, will protect them, will tell them the truth is simply mind blowing. Over the last century Russia has done none of those things for its citizens or the rest of the world. Russia is for all intents and purposes, a cancer. A cancer that needs to be removed before it infects more.

The US is not in a war time economy. If it were, it could produce more than the war required in very short order. I believe that has been proven twice in Europe now. Combined with the other NATO productions if in war economy, Russia and the rest of the turd world countries have no chance of coming close to the allied production. Allies would easily double what the rest of the evil empire could put together.

Make no mistake, this is a good vs evil war. In each of these wars before the good has beaten the bad. It will once again be this way. Hitler was delusional about victory until just a few days before the end. Every other dictator that has oppressed his people, killed them, tortured them and started wars that cannot be won has ended up the same way. Dead or in prison. Putin will be no different. Imagine the war over in a negotiated peace, Russia paying to rebuild Ukraine while sanctions remain until Ukraine is completely restored. Imagine the damage on the Russian economy from ten or more years of this. Imagine the suffering of Russian people under this because of little fag Vlad's imperial Peter the Great delusions. This is coming, not if, but when. Happy gulag to all the Putin coxuckers and Merry Christmas to all the great people on PF!

If Ukraine was losing Rich, then their military would look something like the Russian "army" - hungover, badly equipped, drinking from puddles, shivering in hello kitty sleeping bags and with their commanders safe and warm many km away from the lines

Hear, hear!

putain is not the driving factor regarding the war in Ukraine.... he's not forcing the country against its will, he's giving them what they want (see tweets here by bobko and velund... superbly indifferent to the suffering of Ukrainian civilians and ready to slaughter them by the millions....)

That's what you have sympathy for.