Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

Poland won't be invaded again.
Poland Is Building a Military Machine to Fight Russia (If It Has To)

msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-is-building-a-military-machine-to-fight-russia-if-it-has-to/ar-AA15TdGf

@johnny reb
A year from now, Poland will be a much different country when looking at the military. More and more young people joining reserves and taking training on weapons. More people going to shooting ranges for sport and learning how to handle weapons. People on PF generally underestimate just how deep the dislike for Russia is among Poles. Whitewashing the post WW2 period with the last 30 years of freedom does not work for most families. If Russia were to ever expand this war and something happened in Poland I think Russia would find the outcome even worse than what it is experiencing in Ukraine now.

In other news, the Orcs are having to put out more fires in Belgorod and other cities as Ukraine continues to be able to reach into Russian territory. One report yesterday said the Orcs can only produce 40 smart missiles per month. That tiny production will leave the Orcs without smart weapons in a few more months, hence the repurposing of old nuclear delivery missiles into poorly made dumb missiles. An embarrassment of a country.

Wait a little longer and supply them with more weapons, and they'll send you reparation bill for the Akcja "Wisła"...

Truly inferior.....


Why is Poland (and why are you) so eager to push and promote dumb russian propaganda.... Bandera was a very minor figure in setting any kind of policy and was not involved in the worst abuses carried out in his name (being in a prison camp at the time).

I wish everyone would stop carrying water for russia by pretending he was some kind of really important political actor...

@Velund
Speaking of reparations, how much do you think Russia will have to pay? How many decades will it take to pay it off? 35 billion in ecological damage alone. De-mining, cleaning up of unexploded ordinance, recycling of all destroyed military vehicles, rebuilding all the buildings and compensation for victims of criminal acts performed by your comrades is likely going to be a pretty heft bill to pay. Hundreds of billions of dollars. Coupled with sanctions remaining until the bills is paid in full, it leaves Russia a pitiful and beaten old toothless bear, like in all of the old traveling circuses.

Witnessing the collapse of the USSR was one special time, and now I get to watch the new Russia collapse. Who could have predicted this. History repeats itself when people do not learn from their mistakes. China is just waiting to creep into Siberia. That would be a prize worth giving up on Tiawan for. So many things to consider as little Vlad continues to $hit the bed.

I think 50 megatons, evenly distributed to area of interest on both sides of Atlantic pond will be enough... ;) Quick, and no pretendents for something additional in a 50+ years, like now between Germany and Poland. And, as we can see from history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, people easily forget such things. ;)

You know it's not only a problem of Bandera. They glorify UPA in general and sickf*cks like Shukhevych even have stadiums named after them...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych_Ternopil_city_stadium

... not to mention all the f*cuking SS-Galizien fan-clubs there.

@Velund
And then 50 megatons to Moscow of course. Instead of Red Square you will have a glass city. All in the name of little Vlad's stupidity. Glorious Russian imperialistic thinking. The reincarnated Peter the Great brings a final end to Russia. Poetic justice for a nation that has done nothing but waste its people, its natural resources and its potential on stupid dreams of dictators throughout its entire history. The turd in the European punch bowl. Happy gulag!

Indeed. This Velund guy speaks as if the so-called "rotten" West had no nukes at all and it is Russia only which has the privilige of possesing them.

As Putin said once - "Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?"

And another observation - anglosaxons is very brave while someone else die for them - now it is Ukrainians, with Poles on standby. But once it come to risk getting their "family ranches" covered with glow in the dark glass - suddenly it turned out that they meant something else and was grossly misunderstood. ;)

@Velund
Russia will always be a country. It will just be changed in a way that is civilized. I know it will be hard for all the peasants to get used to, having freedom is a very good thing. Eventually though they will get used to it, and all the old communists, Putinazis, and retarded thinkers will be gone. Then, the country will begin to realize its potential and the exporting of prostitutes to Dubai will become a bad memory.

You underestimate the west's disdain for Russia and its thinking. Want to unite the people of the United States? Attack the United States and Russia will find no place to hide. Try to come to US soil and you will find not only the US military waiting, but the second largest army in the world of armed US citizens. The little bear doesn't want to mess with the west and is best off keeping to itself behind its little borders and its continued inbreeding. Russia's biggest problem is Russia, no one else.

Why should the historical consensus on Bandera, Shukhevych and elements of the UON-B, as agreed everywhere but ukraine, change because of the invasion of ukraine by russia 80 years later?

Ukrainians are not fighting for us Velund - they are fighting for themselves

They have decided they don't want to be subjugated by thieving murdering rapists

As for your nuclear threats, there is little chance of your rusty nukes working

1. Just a couple pages before it was declared, that Russia must be split to a number of easily controllable bantustans... Attempt to do so IS the reason to nuclear responce by Russian military doctrine.

2. Not you will decide who is civilized and who is not. China was quite civilized country well before Christ time, while your predecessor fcuked wild piglets in a forests.

3. Freedom is a good thing. But attempt to dictate what freedom is makes it opposite thing. If changing diaper after words "Washington is calling" it is sign of freedom for Polish politicians - well, ok. But we will not buy it.

4. Nobody is planning to come to US soil, Russia have well enough of its own... But there is one thing... Its name is "unacceptable damage". "Perimeter" system guarantee that it will come automatically to US soil in response of "decapitating strike" that has become fashionable to discuss in Washington. After that, American society (the survivors) can take out their guns, open their cartridge casks, and begin to deal with the two eternal questions of the Russian intelligentsia - "who is to blame" and "what is to be done". I think, it will take another two centuries to come to some form of consensus (formulated, most likely, in Spanish).

Yes, a very good idea.


And nobody planned to come to r*SSian soil. r*SSia however went to Ukrainian soul uninvited and that was the biggest mistake in their history.

Already dealt with- Russia

@Velund
With all your delirium you forget that any Russian nuke strike would be responded to so the good Russian people will not only be without toilets, but likely without a$$es to sit on said wished for toilet. Yes, Russia will be split up into states, not by the west, but internally once Putin is dead. There will be revolts and minor revolutions in what is now seen as Russia. It will tear itself apart, like it always does.

The US and the west do not need to come to Russia. Russia is will be choking on its own crude and LNG with no western market to buy it. Your idiot of a leader underestimated the west. He underestimated Ukraine. Why? Because he is not intelligent, he is a thug who was in the right place at the right time with an alcoholic Yeltsin. He is a weak opportunist who has now had a Ukraine c0ck put up his a$$ in front of all of Russia. Only he doesn't know how to ask Ukraine to pull out and allow him to save face. He is a pathetic loser that makes Joe blabbering Biden look smart and tough. Imagine that. The geriatric patient kicking poser Putins a$$ in a game of intellect. LMFAO You can't write this kind of movie script.

First you have to offer some real money for real resources, not uncontrollable emitted "production" of Federal Reserve. And what is not sold now as crude oil will be sold later as a plastics or refined diesel fuel, once your governments come out of madness. We have almost everything we need to live quite comfortably, and can buy the rest in a domain not controlled by "the west" and not using USD in any form.

quite a clever song about ruskis youtube.com/watch?v=nCS48nKSeSs :)

the title of the song is servants for cigarettes . other lines are

Russians, my Russians! A brave nation, but afraid of the authorities
We - Poles, a hundred years ago - have already given up (on them)
And those who stood over us have already barked their words

@Velund
LOL you are clearly brainwashed by little Vlad. The two oldest currencies in the world will remain the two that are used the most in business globally the British Pound and the USD. Try as Russia might, this will not change. The US is the world's largest economy, China is a distant second. India further behind still. Both China and India have filled reserves at discounted prices. When Russia can sell oil again to the west, the deficit markets that were open in 2022 will be long gone and the price of Russian crude will be the lowest in the world. The west stance on Russia is not going to change until Ukraine is made whole, and every day of Russia killing Ukraine people means one more month of economic disaster. We are approaching the ten-year mark for Russia to recover from sanctions. Imagine Russia in ten years after all the brain drain, and population decline, coupled with all the young men killed who cannot reproduce now. Your country is fvcked. It will remain fvcked because the rest of the world does business with the US and EU and do not want to lose those consumers. Enjoy the cheap gas for the Lada. lol

@amiga500, thanks for the link, that's a great song... And how shockingly accurate these days:


"Sługi za szlugi świat gotowi spalić"

"Servants ready to burn the world for cigarettes"


"Servants", not "service".


No, he's saying that Poles are already "far away from this" - from being servants to others. There's nothing about "giving up" there :)

Spot on Germany !

Germany Open to Seizing Russian Assets to Help Ukraine Rebuild
(Bloomberg) -- Germany is open to using billions of euros in frozen Russian assets to help Ukraine rebuild as long as legal issues can be resolved and allies follow suit.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-open-to-seizing-russian-assets-to-help-ukraine-rebuild/ar-AA15UPBJ

Germany is trying to find a way to do that since summer though....


spiegel.de/ausland/russische-oligarchen-verschweigen-weiter-ihre-vermoegenswerte-in-deutschland-a-fd2c0a39-1353-430b-858c-bb44ea975b59
(from 9th August 2022)

Anyone who is subject to sanctions in this country must disclose their assets. Since Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine, this rule has also applied to Russian oligarchs.

Alone: ​​None of these men has done so so far. ....

I hope they stopped asking nicely by now and use other, better suited means.....

In the whole of the EU the Ukraine should find a nice foundation for it's rebuilding though:


zeit.de/politik/2022-05/oligarchen-russland-ukraine-eu-sanktionen

The EU Commission has proposed legislation to confiscate frozen Russian money. This could be used for the reconstruction of Ukraine....

Well, some things are apparantly done in this direction.

German officials search UBS branches linked to Russian oligarch Usmanov

reuters.com/world/europe/german-ubs-branches-searched-connection-with-russias-usmanov-spiegel-2022-11-08/

I fear that this will become a difficult undertaking. The Russians have the money and motivation to explore every legal avenue, it might take years until this achieved.

Price for gas in Germany now as low as before the Ukraine War!

Wow!!!

Now that is another calculation by Putin which won't come to pass, Germany suffering extra for alliance against this invasion!


merkur.de/verbraucher/gaspreis-sinkt-wann-verbraucher-das-zu-spueren-bekommen-nds-92008559.html

According to estimates by the Federal Network Agency, the reasons for this lie primarily in the recent mild temperatures - for example, New Year's Eve 2022/23 was unusually warm in many places. In addition, significantly more energy is said to have been generated from wind power recently, which further depresses the gas price. The German gas storage facilities are filling up and are well equipped with almost 90 percent full.....

Thank you global warming?

@Tacitus
There is no legal avenue for them to seek relief if things are enacted into law. The law is the law and the end. Abramovich found this out in England when they sold his football club.

Depending on the country, there are a lot of instances they can appeal to. Even if all courts rule against them, that process will take time.

I wonder how long an Oligarch can survive when all his assets are frozen though....in some cases (maybe even many) that should be the far majority of their riches. They parked them in EU countries BECAUSE of their democratic laws and rights they won't have at home...or in China.....

We have more pull in this anyhow and can play the waiting game....I guess many Oligarchs can not!

Remember:

1.According to Russian law, Russia has to retaliate with MUH NOOKS when being invaded or the person in power (Putin) is a traitor to the state.

2.According to Russian law, all those territories that Ukraine are currently inside of and fighting for? They are officially annexed Russian territory. Ukraine is currently invading Russian territory.

I'd be surprised if more than 5% of the Russian nuclear arsenal was even operational, given how all of the Ruskie gear keeps mysteriously going missing from their stores and ending up in American civilian hands after buying it for airsofting from some chink third party. Of course, 5% of their nuclear arsenal is still enough to glass half of the EU, but America and Europe would turn puccia into a nuclear wasteland if given good reason, no amount of partisan fifth columnist kvetching inside their political sphere would stop that from happening.

Now everyone will think twice before park any assets in jurisdictions tending to steal funds pseudo-legally, based on actions of third parties. ;)