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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



mafketis
29 Apr 2023  #3091

Very interesting take here:

jpost.com/opinion/article-739172

shorter version (of the most interesting part).

Democracies are highly entropic (unstable) they're different from each other and from themselves over time.

Dictatorships are low-entropic systems, they're pretty much all the same.

When there is a border between a high-entropy and low-entropy systems, the low-entropy system erects an almost impenetrable border (like North and South Korea or the old Iron curtain).

There needs to be a new iron curtain between highly-entropic Ukraine and low-entropy russia

Novichok
29 Apr 2023  #3092

There needs to be a new iron curtain between highly-entropic Ukraine and low-entropy Russia

Russia agrees. The only question is its location.

Novichok
29 Apr 2023  #3093

Moscow reacts to Russian school seizure in Poland

That's the title. Inside:

Poland will face consequences for seizing a school operated by the Russian embassy in Warsaw, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Saturday.
...and comments:

Poles are licking the new boss USA's arse for dollars. But when the dollar wanes & dies, poles will crawl to Russia and beg for rubles. USA will dump them like a heap of bullshit shortly; Iraq, Afgan, Lybia, Syria ...

Poles hate Russians, always have. They have always sided with anyone who was willing to attack Russia. The hate between them is older than America by far.


Perpetual hate has consequences. One of them is known as Katyn.

mafketis
29 Apr 2023  #3094

One of them is known as Katyn

Not everyone should live in a democracy... some are more suited to low-entropy dictatorships. The instability of democracies mean they sometimes go off the rails....

Those who are suited to freedom note what's going on and take steps to counteract it.

Those who are poorly suited to freedom withdraw from democracy and start hating it and start pining for a big powerful daddy to keep the bad people at bay....

mafketis
29 Apr 2023  #3095

demo is from 'demos' = the people
cracy is from 'kratos' = rule

democracy is rule by the people, who express their engagement with affairs of the polity usually through direct voting or through the election of representatives

it's imperfect and often a mess, but about a million times better than a dictatorship by a pos like putain

Bratwurst Boy
29 Apr 2023  #3096

Poles are licking the new boss USA's arse for dollars.

I doubt that!
Germany pays Poland alot more out of the EU-bucket, for alot longer....and still, our arse really doesn't feel "licked", quite the contrary...sometimes.....

There is something else at play, more than just money!

Kashub1410
29 Apr 2023  #3097

@Bratwurst Boy
Some people got a "lick or get licked mentality" they are adamantly concentrated about controlling people as not to get controlled, influence people as not to get influenced etc

Believing if not having the initiative, others will have it on them

Novichok
29 Apr 2023  #3098

There is something else at play, more than just money!

A desire to be an influencer. Or useful - even as an idiot.
2022 will go down as Poland's 15 minutes of fame. Just like with the Warsaw Uprising, consequences be damned as long as it feels good for a moment.

Miloslaw
29 Apr 2023  #3099

Poles are licking the new boss USA's arse for dollars

I agree with BB.
I think that is a typically arrogant and ill informed American post.The USA no longer has the massive influence it once had.
It is still one of the great powers in the world, but has gone downhill recently.

Novichok
29 Apr 2023  #3100

The USA no longer has the massive influence it once had.

This war is between Russia and the US. Everybody else is a useful idiot, Poland included.
Uks are walking dead - with or without the US.
When a country is down to half its normal headcount and has to draft teens and seniors, the end is near no matter how many tanks the West sends over.

Novichok
30 Apr 2023  #3101

Quoting:

The administration of the western Ukrainian region of Vinnitsa voted on Friday to ban all activities of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) and seize its property. A third of Ukraine's regions have outlawed the institution at this point, in favor of the smaller Kiev-backed Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU).

We are helping Ukraine to stay democratic, say PF Russia-hating morons. Those evil Russians might ban churches and seize property!

PolAmKrakow
30 Apr 2023  #3102

"Every day we have stacks of thousands of bodies that we put in coffins and send home," Prigozhin said.

Prigozhin is also now threatening to pull out of Bakhmut as the counter offensive nears. They have no ammunition to keep fighting. Russian commanders have likely started "punishing breaches in discipline" by detaining offending troops in what they call 'Zindans' - which are holes in the ground covered with a metal grille. Nothing says taking care of your comrades like being tossed in a hole with a cage on top. Just gives you a warm fuzzy feeling doesnt it?

Meanwhile, Ukraine still holds the main supply route in Bakhmut. Wouldnt it be funny if the counter offensive just wiped out all the Russians in Bakhmut and kept on going? Though the path south to Crimea looks a little easier with all the Russian retreats taking place. May is shaping up to be one hell of a month. Happy gulag biatches!

Velund
30 Apr 2023  #3103

have stacks of thousands

Why not millions of bodies? One letter less to lie, and Russia will become uninhabited 1000 times faster in your wet dreams. ;)

PolAmKrakow
30 Apr 2023  #3104

@Velund
See my friend that was actually said in a taped interview. You cant even deal with one of your own actually telling the truth. I undertand when the whole country and its history is built on lies, truth would be shocking. Hows that new Lada driving?

Novichok
30 Apr 2023  #3105

"Every day we have stacks of thousands of bodies that we put in coffins and send home," Prigozhin said.

The same article says:

In an audio statement published on the Telegram messaging app account of his press service on Saturday evening, the Wagner boss said he had lost 94 fighters due to a lack of ammunition.

So which one is it? Thousands or 94?

Also, what you quoted does not say if those bodies are Uks or Russians. That sentence, btw, does not make sense:

"Every day we have stacks of thousands of bodies that we put in coffins and send home," Prigozhin said.

At the rate of at least 2000 a day, it would take only 10 days for the Wagner group to join the real Wagner.

mafketis
30 Apr 2023  #3106

ussians might ban churches

The UOC is an arm of the russian orthodox church which is an arm of the russian government. Why should the Ukrainian government allow an organization calling for its destruction to operate freely?

Novichok
30 Apr 2023  #3107

Why should the Ukrainian government allow an organization calling for its destruction to operate freely?

How about a quote from the UOC...

mafketis
30 Apr 2023  #3108

quote from the UOC...

you love 'em, you quote them

Bobko
30 Apr 2023  #3109

Official Kiev has been making some strange noises about the upcoming counter-offensive.

The head of their Air Force said that a counter offensive may be "difficult or impossible" without support from the air.

Their minister of defense said that it's "perhaps unfortunate" that the media and their own public statements have created "heightened expectations" around the offensive. But then he said that's not his fault. I thought - how is it not your fault?

The deputy foreign minister (same guy that was ambassador to Germany and said Bandera is a great guy), stated that Ukraine needs "TEN TIMES" the amount of weapons it has received to date, if Ukraine is to be expected to finish the war this year. I think even Poland, which is Robin to Ukraine's Batman, can not stomach a level of aid to Ukraine that is 10X of current levels.

Question on Bobko's mind is - what gives? Are the Ukrainians trying to manipulate me into a false sense of comfort, right before they unleash shock and awe? Maybe, maybe... On the other hand, I think, maybe these gentlemen that were former comedians are running out of room for successful improvisation, and real life, like a 30 ton truck, is barreling down at them at full speed.


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GefreiterKania
30 Apr 2023  #3110

Kiev has been making some strange noises about the upcoming counter-offensive

They have been complaining to Czechs that they have way too little ammunition to start the offensive. It can, of course, be a smoke screen, Ukrainian version of maskirovka etc. but something tells my that we will sooner see pigs flying than Ukrainians conducting a large-scale counter-offensive in coming weeks. I wrote something to that effect a couple of weeks ago already.

If Zelensky doesn't want to counter-attack, he should be compelled to sign a peace treaty. This WW1-style trenches stalemate is way too expensive to allow it to continue for too long. Apparently for Zelensky C, D and L are not worth the lives of too many Ukrainian soldiers, so be it...

...aaaaaalll weeeee areee saaaaayin', is give peace a chaaance!!!

Novichok
30 Apr 2023  #3111

...an organization calling for its destruction ...

When did you hear them "calling for its destruction"?

Question on Bobko's mind is - what gives?

Simple. Talking crap talk in the future tense keeps dollars coming...so that most of it can be stolen and "invested" in nice houses in the US and France.

We have had it with that stupid war stops the flow. I am a genius and my Z-P=0 is as good as mc2.

mafketis
30 Apr 2023  #3112

russia is not wanted or needed in Ukraine and the faster this failed, fascist cesspool and its filthy citizens realize that, the better....

twitter.com/KremlinTrolls/status/1652749105800654848

"Right on Target" bragged the russian mfa about this attack... so it's what they wanted to do... it's what all supporters of russia want.... dead Ukrainian children

twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1651867076829536256

Novichok
30 Apr 2023  #3113

russia is not wanted or needed in Ukraine

Z didn't have to fire a single shot to keep Russia out of Ukraine. If you ask how, I will be happy to explain.

mafketis
30 Apr 2023  #3114

Z didn't have to fire a single shot to keep Russia out of Ukrain

Ukraine didn't fire a single shot... russia invaded. Period. This is all russia's doing and no other country bears any responsibility for the russian criminal enterprise (not even a country....)

How many russian lives is control of part of Ukraine worth? Why are so many russians totally uninterested in russians being killed in battle? That's not.... normal. I know a 5 kilo bag of pelmeni is nothing to sneeze at but most non-russian families would rather have a live son than a bag of dumplings... would you trade the life of one of your children for a bag of pierogi? tha'ts what you support.

twitter.com/EPICGOPFAIL/status/1626588971911491584

Novichok
30 Apr 2023  #3115

Ukraine didn't fire a single shot... russia invaded. Period.

Z didn't have to fire a single shot to keep Russia out of Ukraine

Z fired many shots to keep Russia out of Ukraine. Didn't work very well, did it? If the idiot read PF, half a million men would be alive today.

If you ask I will tell you how it was all preventable.

mafketis
30 Apr 2023  #3116

If you ask

I am not asking. I will never ask. Dont' even think of elaborating on your craven surrender collaborator solutions....

Ukraine did not fire a shot in 2014 when russia invaded, 2022 was just a continuation of that.

Alien
30 Apr 2023  #3117

how it was all preventable.
@ Novichok

it was unavoidable, because it arose in the sick mind of a sick man.

Novichok
30 Apr 2023  #3118

Ukraine did not fire a shot in 2014 when Russia invaded,

Russia didn't invade anything in 2014.
Ukraine started killing Russians in D and L in 2014. All 14,000 of them. Not a nice way to treat freedom fighters.
All Ukraine had to do to prevent this war was to organize an internationally supervised referendum and agree to be NATO-free and neutral. Bingo! No war!

I deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.

because it arose in the sick mind of a sick man.

Biden alone couldn't start it. He was pushed from behind by the forces he could not resist. There was too much money to be made from the deaths and destruction. Plus the future contracts to rebuild...Trillions

Miloslaw
30 Apr 2023  #3119

Not a nice way to treat freedom fighters

You are having a laugh!
Freedom fighters!
Really?
Russian stooges I would call them.
Ukraine was perfectly in their right to exterminate them.
Please tell me that the USA should not respond in the same manner if there was an uprising in Florida, Texas or New Mexico.....

Novichok
1 May 2023  #3120

Freedom fighters!

Freedom fighters - guys with guns Western "democracies" like.
Terrorists - guys with guns that Western "democracies" don't like.


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