Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

@Novichok
Crimea is a ghost town now. Everyone has left. The military left their air base. Dont look now, but a Patriot missile system just shot down one of Russias hypersonic missiles. So much for being beyond the US capabilities. Blaming the US really isnt even adding up. Blame Russia, they are the ones in another country, not the US.

When will Russia be taking Bakhmut again?

So it should be like a walk in the park for Z. If Russia wants to give part of itself back, I am cool with that.

You see this from a satellite, do you?

Hey, Bobko, is this for real?

Yes. A large base near the village of Medvedivka has been emptied of most of the armored vehicles that were stored there. It was not an "air base", and furthermore - planes are rotated between bases regularly to avoid missile strikes. Military analysts, who forgot to share these details with PAK, surmise that they have been moved to the front in the Zaporozhye and Kherson Oblasts, in anticipation of the coming Ukrainian assault.

PAK is free to interpret this information in whatever way he pleases. I was more curious about the "ghost town".

I will take a ghost town over Zeetown every single minute. I love life. Especially my own.
I am so glad you are still here...

@Novichok

Where did the 2.5 million Crimeans go? From what I read they are busy preparing for the summer tourist season - drone strikes on Sevastopol notwithstanding, because people have to feed themselves and their families.

And practicing how to say "паляниця"

LMFAO you guys are fvcking hilarious holding on to delusions. Just do a little looking and you will see a mass exedus out of Crimea over the last three weeks. There are reports from Russians. Come on, really stop with your closed view bull$hit. Summer tourist season? Interesting. Not a single fvcking property in Crimea taking reservations this summer. I know, I have been there, I actually emailed the last two hotels I stayed at, and they told me Crimea is closed.

The assault from Ukraine is not going to come where Russia thinks. Just like it didnt last time. If Bakhmut is lost when Wagner leaves on the 10th, it is all over for Russia. All those lost lives for nothing.

When does the movie come out ?

@johnny reb
No movie JR. It is a weekly series playing out over the course of the remaining year.

WARSAW, Poland (AP) - The Polish Foreign Ministry summoned the Russian ambassador in protest Friday after a former Russian official suggested that it would be acceptable to assassinate Poland's ambassador to Russia.

That would be reason to start WW3.

Bakhmut on fire: Russia uses phosphorus bombs

It sure looks like they mean to keep it.
Next: napalm or spread the word that their women are transitioning into men in Poland.

OK, let's do some political-fiction/wild speculation. Supposing the war drags on longer but eventually Putin somehow pulls 20 fully armed Guards Divisions out of his arse, the West gets bored with supporting Ukraine, and Zelensky is forced to sign a peace treaty. The division of Ukraine might (just might) be done according to the Ющенко / Янукович support line...



... in such scenario we get: Russia ecstatic with the victory but with severely weakened military and economy, which will give Poland enough time to build up her defences, and we get Ukraine as a landlocked, relatively poor country which would never be a serious threat to Poland even if banderopithecs retained their influence in Ukrainian politics. Such scenario wouldn't seem to be very bad for Poland, would it? Your thoughts?

@GefreiterKania
I was just about to consider keeping myself from going back here, then you drag me in!

I just cannot resist ideas and trying to come up with best possible idea-> plan -> solution!

Leaving how it would come to it to the intrigue fellas/politicians and the sort.

Such an option would be able to create another north/South Korea situation where the clash between west and east would have very clear boundaries yet a sort of compromise would be created.

It would create a permanent tension and conflict until resolved but, remembered and able to be drawn from when in need of it for any Ukrainian politician wanting support by simply pushing for anti-Russia rhetoric

It would keep Russia in the mindset of Imperialism (unsuccessful one at that and too draining) which, in return will reduce it's capabilities and reduce their chances to reach full potential to be any real threat to the west as a whole or Poland.

Biggest loser here would be Ukraine in form of land area, yet it would enable it to get closer ties with the west and win economically in the long run (example: South Korea)

Any country in the world who oppose Russia would favour such a deal due to Russia being kept in mindset of trying to keep herself as a hegemony, despite her current situation.

Russia lacks any friends that could earn her about it, and if warned. Would probably be viewed with suspicion and ignored either way.

So it would be easy to come to fruitation if Ukrainians are convinced of the possible fruits of it and what kind of situation it would lead to

While its possible a peace deal could give up some of the occupied territory, there is no way Ukraine would agree to be landlocked and give up Odessa. That would be grounds for executing everyone in the government. Odessa isn't even really threatened at this point.

@PolAmKrakow
So it would lead to an even more radicalised Ukrainian society, possibly another Maidan

So _that's_ where he's been keeping them....


your pro-russian.... biases are showing again.... that map is completely outdated and irrelevant now, it's like the article about how corrupt Ukraine is from 2015 (that pro-russian tools love) that don't mention russian corruption at all or note any of the changes since them (or mention that anti-corruption measures are felt by the russian government to be threatening because they were behind most of the corruption....)


Remind me again.... what policy making role did he ever hold in any government? russia blows him up to be some kind of major figure when he was, while he was alive, marginal at best.

@GefreiterKania
Ukraine would be fully dependent on either:
1. Poland
2. Romania
3. Russia

For trade being sent by sea, of course with modern age they could invest in to drones an-masse for transportation (there are very cheap long distance drones being able to carry 300 kg per flight)

Who knows if more in the future, so yeah when airplanes did not exist, Black Sea was of critical and vital importance for Ottomons Empire and Russia to control or at least have access to for foreign policy pressure, military, prestige and trade.

With new tech emarging, drone technology will be more important. As shown in Ukraine conflict, Ukraine and Russia has the most experience with drone warfare, it's use and capabilities.

If they play it right, they will invest in to drone use, production and innovation on a large scale to increase their military capabilities while also increase in income, infrastructure and innovation in general.

Ukraine could potentially laugh at Poland and Western Europe if it's infrastructure will turn majority in to Drone usage.

Just like Railroad Britain compared to horse drawn China of 1800's

I can't put my finger on it why but for some strange reason me thinks that that 2014 revolution, killing Russians in large numbers, and the bs about Ukraine joining NATO wasn't worth it.

But then dying for "democracy" is so much fun...Have to try it one day...

Speaking of dying...If Z's associates had any brains they would give him a quick Ceausescu-style trial and execution for being a US agent and destroying the country.

never happened, stop pushing that russian bvllsh[t...

I linked an article that disproves that RT crap and if you're too stupid or lazy to read it then that's your problem (and why no one here takes you seriously).

Did the UA ever fire into any part of Ukraine before Feb 24, 2022, with the intent to destroy or kill?

*yaaaaaawn*

Sorry, I don't feel like proving that I'm not a camel... again.


Bandera himself, as a person, is currently irrelevant - his rotten body was eaten by worms many years ago and his rotten soul is rightly tormented by devils in hell. May that continue for all eternity.

I was, however, talking about the living throngs of banderopithecus - those who worship UPA and SS-Galizien, organise marches with torches, build monuments, name streets and stadiums after those genocidal sickf*cks, hang Bandera portraits in their offices etc. As long as Ukraine glorifies those animals any "alliance" with them can only be temporary, depending on circumstances (e.g. they're fighting criminal Russian ruling mafia who dream of restoring the USSR).

Only at russian invaders.... who had actually.... you know.... invaded!

There were no local "pro-russian separatists" there were russians who invaded, took over and ran it into the ground.... even Girkin (invader number 1) admits russian rule over D and L was a disaster

themoscowtimes.com/2014/11/21/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine-a41598

khpg.org/en/1608809608

@Novichok
If the UA fires into their own territory, it is no ones business. Just like the USA Army firing in the forests of South Carolina or the beaches in California. It is their right to do what ever TF they want on thier own land. It is also thier right to kill anyone on their lands as an invading force and those that may help them as traitors. So glas you get it now. Class dismised.

If Ukraine, that beacon of "democracy", conducted an internationally-supervised referendum in CDL there would be no Russian "invasion". Duh!
The US invaded Grenada out of concern about a handful of American students. Russia was concerned about the Russian minority in CDL. Duh!

@Novichok
The difference is that they were not Russian citizens, and if they were they needed to be living in Russia. They invaded Ukraine and there were only Ukraine citizens. See the difference. Now for reference, chocolate sometimes can look a lot like $hit, but if you taste them you will see they are quite different from each other. Recess.

Then Russia can fire into CDL. It's their territory just as Texas is US land.


Are all Russia-hating posters here morons? Did you, Mr. Lawyer, notice this by any chance?...


I mean that with the intent to destroy or kill No, Mr. Lawyer, the US Army never fires in the forests of South Carolina to kill anybody. Duh!

Seems that playing stupid is very popular here...

Ruslan Kotsaba:

The so-called Revolution of Dignity was just a political strategy. Millionaires wanted to become billionaires, and the rest of the people were just used as extras.

In regard to the Maidan, we need to clearly separate the people on the stage from the people in front of the stage. The actors on the stage used political methods to spark mass hysteria. The crowd merely jumped up and down under the xenophobic slogans. The media empires of the oligarchs all worked to take down President Viktor Yanukovich.

I like that term "extras" - aka useful idiots. I wonder how many of these morons are dead now and sorry for being stupid.