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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



mafketis
10 May 2023  #3451

russia's new motto: Cвоих бросаем!

twitter.com/albafella1/status/1653403642051821568

Velund
10 May 2023  #3452

This is how you do these things among civilised nations - by negotiations and compromises. :)

We will negotiate about future of Poland with China - and be sure, we will find brilliant compromise. ;)

mafketis
10 May 2023  #3453

negotiate about future of Poland with China

tell yourself that before you go to sleep at night, it'll make you feel better....

GefreiterKania
10 May 2023  #3454

China

China which is already printing new maps with old Chinese names of cities and lands currently occupied by Russia, so good luck with the negotiations. ;)

Tacitus
10 May 2023  #3455

That Russians are under the illusion that they are treated as equals by China is hilarious.

Novichok
10 May 2023  #3456

This is how you do these things among civilised nations - by negotiations and compromises. :)

And Ukraine happens when a nation refuses to negotiate because it is a useful tool to another nation.

... Russians are under the illusion that they are treated as equals by China is hilarious.

Were you present when Putin and Xi talked or are you pulling this crap out of your ass to impress this forum?

mafketis
10 May 2023  #3457

Ukraine happens when a nation refuses to negotiate

What's there to negotiate? how much russia should be allowed to steal? how many citizens they should allow russia to kill?

putain < Bakhmut

russia has spent 10 months failing to take the 56th largest city in Ukraine at the cost of tens of thousands of russian lives.... how many russian lives is failing to take Bakhmut worth?

Novichok
10 May 2023  #3458

What's there to negotiate?

Russia was ready to talk in April 2022. B told Z to be MIA. Now U looks like 1945 W. See you...

Novichok
10 May 2023  #3459

You see, my little naive boy, telling P to get lost had precisely the consequences that B wanted so quit complaining. That includes the deaths and destruction of U - all to weaken Russia and provide job opportunities for Western contractors.

Just follow the crumbs, stop the crap talk about "freedom and democracy", and you will be so much wiser...All thanks to me. Hey, PAK, that was bragging.

Bobko
10 May 2023  #3460

That Russians are under the illusion that they are treated as equals by China is hilarious.

That Poles think America treats them as more important allies than Italy, Germany and France is hilarious.

Paulina
10 May 2023  #3461

Personal communication with recent refugees, who was able to leave country via Moldova and come to their relatives near Moscow.

Velund... :) By "proof" I meant something that we can verify and not something you allegedly heard from someone. How am I supposed to know that you're not lying?

you can ask someone like Vladimir Grubnik

Dude, you wrote yourself that he was one of the leaders of the guerrilla underground, a head of a militant group and clearly a traitor. No wonder he ended up in prison o_O According to this link (I don't how accurate it is, because it's a RuSSian source) he was accused of planting explosives at the Security Service building in Odesa:

english.pravda.ru/opinion/133179-grubnik_odessa/

In short - total terror against anyone trying to publicly express their dissent with banderite agenda.

I am yet to hear about this "total terror" or see any proof of it. And what do you mean by "banderite agenda"? I asked you whether there was an ethnic cleansing of RuSSian speakers in Odessa during those 8 years, whether there were pogroms, mass killings, people getting beat up or killed for speaking RuSSian and not whether traitors trying to commit terror acts were sent to prison for as little as 4 years o_O

Velund
10 May 2023  #3462

By "proof" I meant something that we can verify

What you was able to verify in Skripals case before you believed in what MSM told you?

Paulina
10 May 2023  #3463

@Velund, I wasn't following the Skripals case so I can't say much about it. But I can verify that he was poisoned with Novichok nerve agent. Why I believe that? Because that was stated by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). This is an international organisation consisting of 193 member states and it cooperates with the United Nations. That makes it much more credible than some random, anonymous guy on the internet claiming that some people from Salisbury or Moscow told him something.

Do you get my drift?

the surgeon Grubnik is well known in the West - his colleagues from Germany even brought in the European Court of Human Rights

If he's so well known and even the European Court of Human Rights was involved then why I wasn't able to find anything about it in any serious (or even less serious) English-speaking media?

If "colleagues from Germany" were involved then maybe there's something in the German media? Perhaps Tacitus and BB could find some info in German for us about this?

Novichok
10 May 2023  #3464

What you was able to verify in Skripals case before you believed in what MSM told you?

To these idiots, if it's MSM it's evidence that it's true.
To your question...Nothing. But that didn't stop them from taking MSM bs as gospel.

Paulina
10 May 2023  #3465

@Novichok, have a look at my post above yours (my response to Velund).

To these idiots, if it's MSM it's evidence that it's true.

You're such a ridiculous hypocrite! lol RuSSian idiots, including Velund, are swallowing everything the RuSSian state propaganda is cramming into their heads, the Montenegro guy is even going as far as spreading outright lies and fakes (either without checking or on purpose), but you have no problem with that! So, you and your biased opinions can go and "f" yourselves, as far as I'm concerned, "genius" :)

johnny reb
10 May 2023  #3466

I knew it, I just knew it.
QUOTE:
Polish officials say a missile they found in the woods near one of their cities has been confirmed as a Russian Ch-55, sparking fears that the incident could draw the country into a conflict with Russia and potentially cause the beginning of World War III.

I wonder what Buddha would say ?

Novichok
10 May 2023  #3467

but you have no problem with that!

No problem at all. This is a war not a confessional and all rules are suspended, dear child. So, as I already said, assume that everything you read here is a lie because nobody here owes you the truth. Or being honest...

Are we OK now?

Novichok
10 May 2023  #3468

Is this the latest from the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

pawian
10 May 2023  #3469

China which is already printing new maps with old Chinese names of cities and lands currently occupied by Russia, so good luck with the negotiations.

The odds are on the Chinese side. If Russians try to defend Siberia, 500 million Chinese will die but 700 million will still remain. However, after Chinese retaliation, 140 million Russians will evaporate and only 1 million will survive, the ones who have moved to live in European countries. . That will solve the Russian problem in Europe for a few centuries. :):):)

But we will have a Chinese problem instead. :):):)

Tacitus
10 May 2023  #3470

If Russians try to defend Siberia,

The Chinese wont have to mobilize a single soldier in order to retake their former posessions from Russia.

All they have to do is wait while Russia is ruining itself in the war in Ukraine. Russia was already heading for a severe economic and demographic crisis in the next decade before Putin made his play fot Kiev. The direct and indirect costs of the war and the fact that Putin is not even trying solve Russia's dependence on the sale of fossil fuel (which are going to decline past 2030 in any case) will firce his successor to make tough decisions. Selling some territory to China in order to stay somewhat solvent may be among those.

Barney
10 May 2023  #3471

I am yet to hear about this "total terror" or see any proof of it.

Have a read
theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/23/ukraine-party-of-regions-members-apparent-suicides-viktor-yanukovych

newsweek.com/2015/04/17/ukraine-plagued-succession-unlikely-suicides-former-ruling-party-320584.html

Note: The Guardian is perhaps the most anti Russian publication in the UK.

Apparently the deaths are a state secret

jon357
10 May 2023  #3472

The Chinese wont have to mobilize a single soldier

Right now they are just watching and waiting. They aren't in a hurry. Time is on China's side.

I read an interesting article today about casualty stats. Some observers have suggested that Ukraine's figures about the number of orcs they've cleansed the world from are exaggerated. The article, by someone who was until recently a senior army officer with considerable combat experience, suggested that the way the western democracies calculate casualty ratios is outdated and the emergence of precision drones means that the death/injury ratio needs to be reassessed in the light of the far higher kill rate by Ukraine today than in previous wars elsewhere.

Miloslaw
10 May 2023  #3473

The Chinese wont have to mobilize a single soldier in order to retake their former posessions from Russia.

All they have to do is wait while Russia is ruining itself in the war in Ukraine

I had to laugh at the May 9 military procession in Moscow....one tank?
And a very old one at that!
What happened to all the rest?
We all know......Russia is losing this war....

Barney
10 May 2023  #3474

@Paulina
Another report that you may have missed...
amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/04/ukraine-suspicious-deaths-need-credible-investigations/

Beyond the lingering lack of justice for the EuroMaydan deaths, and the more recent spate of deaths of opposition members this year, the organization has also documented a worrying rise in other forms of persecution.

Opposition politicians are facing mob violence, often carried out by groups or individuals affiliated with the right-wing.


There have been multiple articles by international media and ngos illustrating the destruction of the political representation of the majority in Ukraine.

Miloslaw
10 May 2023  #3475

That Russians are under the illusion that they are treated as equals by China is hilarious.

It is.

Were you present when Putin and Xi talked or are you pulling this crap out of your ass to impress this forum?

Seriously Rich?
Do you REALLY believe that China regards Russia as an equal?

Novichok
11 May 2023  #3476

The Guardian is perhaps the most anti Russian publication in the UK.

Only woke leftists read the Guardian.

Do you REALLY believe that China regards Russia as an equal?

China is a country and cannot "regard" anything. Only people can "regard". If you mean Xi, then the answer is that I don't know how Xi feels about Russia because he didn't tell me.

But, if you want me to, I can try to pull something out of my ass the way Tacitus did it and pretend that I am one of the Chinese insiders.

Novichok
11 May 2023  #3477

Quoting:

Japan is reportedly planning to open a NATO liaison office in Tokyo. The office will be the first of its kind in Asia and is designated to "coordinate" with the alliance on security matters, and on the issue of China.

The snake is sliming toward China. Great move if the China-Russia axis is the objective. Stupid snake.

Quoting:

More than two dozen residents of Latvia were arrested on Tuesday for violating a law against celebrating the Soviet Union's victory over Nazi Germany, known as Victory Day. The EU and NATO member's police even seized a "Russia" jacket from a man in a wheelchair, and arrested another for wearing Soviet medals in public.

Isn't democracy and freedom of speech in NATO countries fun? I am so ready to move there...

Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2023  #3478

The snake is sliming toward China.

YESSS! People become aware and start to take precautions....about time! Not so easy times ahead anymore for China...

johnny reb
11 May 2023  #3479

Not so easy times ahead anymore for China...

At least Germany has befriended them and France is giving China the cold shoulder too.
China had little choice but to buddy up with Russia.

Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2023  #3480

China had little choice

We have not befriended them...


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