Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

@Crnogorac3

Why didn't you answer my serious question? Don't concern you the origin and the naming of your "boys" at all? Doesn't it matter to you even a bit?

He keeps calling Ukrainians nazis while writing like a nazi himself... clearly deeply unwell (like most/all russia supporters).

I guess this war puts the Wagner "boys" on some international terrorist lists....they will be hunted by the secret services and put to justice when found.


telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/03/home-office-proscribe-wagner-group-terrorist-organisation/

The White House on Friday announced it will designate the Wagner Group, the Russian private military company supporting Moscow's war on Ukraine, as a Transnational Criminal Organization, hitting it with sanctions and limiting its ability to do business around the world.

voanews.com/a/us-sanctions-russian-wagner-group-urges-others-to-follow-/6927968.html

You know who else gets called a terrorist organization? The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. Another organization, which the enlightened West has branded terrorist is Hezbollah.

You don't see them "hunted around the world". Neither have they been dismantled in the more than thirty years of their existence. Some may argue that the outsized attention placed by the West on these organizations, instead boosts their cachet and makes it easier for them to recruit among idealistic youth.

Why could the West not do anything about Hezbollah or the IRGC, despite having the most formidable intelligence apparatus in history and the means to pursue targets globally? Part of the reason is that these organizations benefit from their connection to a nation state. In the IRGC's case to 90 million strong Iran, and in Hezbollah's case much smaller Lebanon.

How then, could you do something against Wagner, that benefits from being tied by umbilical cord to a UNSC veto holder, nuclear superpower, top 10 economy, and 150M strong? This is what the geniuses in the West cannot think through to the end. Do you want a Russia-sized North Korea or Iran? Can you even begin to contemplate the potential scenarios? We don't need to crash airplanes into buildings, or blow up pipe bombs at marathons. Russia can shut down power plants through cyber attacks, wipe data, sever subsea cables, disable satellites, and wage corrosive information warfare. This is all before having to drop a single bomb.

This language of criminals and terrorists towards Russians will come back to bite you in the ass. Let's not talk this way to each other. Please?

....could have to do with the fact that they aren't "working" around the world but rather concentrated in a few areas....the Wagner mercenaries really get around!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

The same question to you Bobko.....is the origin of this group no problem for you? Founded by someone obsessed with the Third Reich?

It's... strange? I think it makes more than a few people uncomfortable - and definitely the people in the Russian Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, which seem to hate Wagner. Remember, the OKH also hated the Waffen SS?

Personally - I need to understand how is he obsessed with the Third Reich? A lot of us are obsessed with the Third Reich. I am obsessed with the Third Reich. I could write a book about Kaltenbrunner and Oskar Dirlewanger. I think the 1st SS Panzer Division (Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler) is probably one of the best fighting formations of the entire World War. If one is a military person, and has a deep interest in Third Reich-related information, it does not necessarily make one a Nazi.

It's not acceptable to discuss in polite society, and creates uncomfortable optics for the men in charge - but I don't think it's an automatic verdict.

Na ja....as far as I could glean from all the articles his founder was really a fan, even named his new group after Richard Wagner, "Götterdämmerung" and all that...

I doubt your "obsession" would cross over into becoming a fan, right Bobko?

That leaves me regularly head shaking....especially Slavs, Russians ffs....what's going on in their heads?

PS: I found the Totenkopf-Division more interesting than the Leibstandarte, they had quite the development....but we better stop that or we will be moved to Random again!

Because Crnogorac3 doesn't answer questions and doesn't respond to our arguments as per usual. He behaves like some mindless bot just spreading and even simply copying and pasting RuSSian propaganda. I'm starting to wonder if he's getting paid for it, because I doubt he actually believes that what he's doing has any effect on anyone here (as in - changing someone's mind) lol o_O


Um... Apparently the way the neo-Nazis are :):



Besides, if you name your "baby" with the name of Hitler's favourite composer then I think it's pretty telling that this obsession is more likely to be positive than negative...


Stop thinking, talking and behaving like criminals and terrorists and we will stop calling you criminals and terrorists.

I can't speak for all Slavs, or all Russians, but with these military guys I have some experience.

You saw how the Russian army fights. It can be a plodding, slow-moving, overly-bureaucratic monster. Many of the people inside the Russian army are poorly motivated, there only for the money, and thinking about the first opportunity to go home. How does this make a guy feel who is a fighter at heart, loves war, and thinks about nothing except how to kill more enemies? I think initially it demoralizes him, then it creates a feeling of derision towards those other parts of the army filled with "civilians". Here we begin to get to why there's so many SS fans inside special forces units around the world - whether it's Russian paratroopers or American Rangers or some other elite formation which feels head and shoulders above the rest of the military. These guys begin to look for a historic analogue - a unit which they feel matches their "cannibal"-style ethics. For some reason - a lot of them begin to gravitate to these Heer and SS units which disappeared into history with semi-mythical status. German discipline and stoicism appeal also.

The Nazis benefit in part from the fact that their units simply disappeared, allowing all these fanboys to collect around them. If they got sliced and diced a million times, and diluted to the point there is barely any unit culture remaining - like what happened to Soviet and NATO formations - these guys wouldn't be able to coalesce around them.

P.S. - I think the commanders in these type of elite units also encourage these cannibal cultures, which makes the men gravitate towards SS, Maori, Viking, Ancient Rus, Mongol-type ****. Can't blame the guys if people are hammering into their heads to be killers.

Interesting insight.....still....rarely have fighting units gotten worse PR than the german ones....for decades now....and still their fans seem to grow back constantly.

I repeat...that's just flabbergasting!

Have to leave here, 'night all

Military people are just not like you and me, unless they are passing through.

Not all the SS disappeared - many were fighting colonial wars for the French Foreign Legion well into the 60s as well as various mercenary squads in Africa and Latin America

@cms neuf

Yeah, they didn't exactly cover themselves with glory in those places though. Africa and South America gave rise to their own "taboo heroes". In Rhodesia/Zimbabwe it was the Selous Scouts, which were famous for doing things like mowing down 400 rebels with an 8 man team. In Apartheid South Africa it was the special forces fighting in Angola, that all later fed into PMCs. Now it's not polite to mention them, let alone the fact that they fought well. Racists and all that...

In South America it was the Cubans that became the "Swiss mercenaries" of the region and the world.

That's the first I hear of it o_O Which countries are you talking about (defenitely not Poland)?


For Polish Special Forces those are AK fighters in general and for JWK AK's "special purpose" battalions and for GROM WWII Cichociemni in particular. So the very people that were fighting against SS.

Polish Special Forces (and Polish soldiers in general) have their own heroes, which are very revered by them. They don't need SS o_O


Sorry, Bobko, but I call bullsh1t on this.
I don't know, maybe you get such impression, because RuSSia and the US are a different pair of animals in terms of numbers of neo-Nazis - in the US Nazi symbols and propagation of Nazism isn't banned, as far as I understand, and in RuSSia it wasn't banned either when I was still discussing with RuSSians.

So, the US has a problem in general with white supremacists who tend to gravitate to neo-Nazism. The fact that they also end up in the military is a by-product of this, imho.

rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/

"While neo-Nazis and other extremists are rare in the U.S. armed forces, exactly how rare is not known."

Posting a pic of American USMC Scout Snipers posing in Afghanistan with a whole flag they made with SS runes.

You can read about the type of people working in these roles here:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Scout_Sniper

The Wikipedia article also covers their "SS" scandal. The leadership claimed the men didn't understand the history behind the symbols! Hahaha! They were using it since the 1980s. Must be a real low IQ bunch.

I can even share pics with Israeli commandos with Nazi insignia. You just don't understand these people. They often come from football hooligans, from ufc clubs, from other interesting places. Layer on top of this an extreme culture which glorifies death and you can begin to understand the SS signs.

To be clear, I'm on the side of the "big military" on this. F@ck these guys. Let them do their little rituals in secret, but they should not embarrass the overall effort. In general this pageantry of tattoos and badges is for little girls, and shows their brains are full of bullsh!t. If they think they are irreplaceable they are sorely mistaken.

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Wow, that's f*cked up. I've never heard of it before.


Go ahead! Name them and shame them.


But you do?

Lol. I never did this, but other guys here posted a million pics of Ukrainian special forces with SS and other Nazi tattoos and you never showed such an interest? Why now? Azov does not make you curious, but IDF units do?


Yes Paulina, I'm not some psychological warfare agent like you. I can admit I have appreciation for everyone's viewpoint, even if I don't subscribe to those views. Otherwise it makes for boring reading for other people, and feels like an act of onanism to myself.

@Bobko, why are you lying? :)


Of course I was showing interest - I was asking for evidence too :)


Bullsh1t! :)))))


Ah, if you're saying that you aren't one, that means that you are one! :D

Girl you forreal? I think that's all Crnogorac posts.

@Bobko, Crnogorac posted some pictures after Ukrainian soldiers from Azovstal in Mariupol surrendered and I did check out those photos, one by one - only some of them had tattoos with neo-Nazi symbols and some of the photos Crnogorac posted where taken in places that looked like private flats, so there was no way of telling who they were.


Summer child, Crnogorac posts all kinds of bullsh1t and lies that I've debunked many times already :)))

In an answer to another victim of RT propaganda I linked to an article by a specialist in far right movement who concluded that Azov had had not had far right/neo-nazi elements for a number of years before the russian pig invasion of a peaceful Ukraine.

Check back in this thread if you're interested (too busy to look it up again because even when you disprove russian lies they just keep repeating them because all russians understand are lies... allergic to truth they are).

Sounds about right......pathetic...


You are truly pathetic..... Open your eyes!
Russia is losing this war and will lose it.
What then for Russia and their supporters?

...even faster now that Portugal decided to send tanks to Ukraine. Both of them!

When people admit they are Third Riech enthusiasts, and then try to say there are many others, it is a projection. While of course there are retards everywhere, that does not mean they represent a significant number of soldiers in any country. When talking about officers and decision makers, of course the enemy in every war is studied. What is studied the most though are the success's of the US. In the end, the US and NATO lead by the US is the most successful military in the world. It is evident in how Ukraine is beating Russia without even having all that it needs to quickly defeat Orc nation.

60 of 71 missiles shot down yesterday. Not exactly an efficient day for the Orcs. The average deaths per day on the Russian side now around 1000. That number is going to rise over the coming weeks as Ukraine continues to get more efficient at killing the Orcs and more Orcs are forced into the field of fire.

@Bobko
You want to brag about a top 10 economy? A massive nation with massive resources sits at number 9 behind little France at number 7, and barely above Italy at 10. It is a joke of a country. Average wages of 12,000 USD per year? I made more than that per year in high school. A nuclear power? Yes, but which nukes will really work today is a real question mark given the performance of all the other munitions from Russia. 150 million people? LMFAO you mean 130 million peasants, 5 million middle class, and 5 million prostitutes, and ten million who are just finding out the toilet was invented. Your arguments are devoid of any intellect, and you are nothing more than the typical Russian making stupid threats. And you do it all while hiding in the USA. I really hope one day people find out who you are, and turn you in to USCIS. Watch that green card go up in smoke, or better yet, be seen as a collaborator and a non declared Russian agent and be immediately charged and deported. Justice is swift these days for traitors, but at least you could then return to Orc land and be sent to the front. Happy gulag biatches!

No sir, 3 Leopard 2a.

The NY Post claims that a major Russian offensive will begin in ten days.

Link:

nypost.com/2023/02/09/russia-readying-500k-troops-to-launch-assault-in-10-days/

youtu.be/DW86zSr-E1k

A Polish colonel analyzes the upcoming offensive... for some time military analysts have been mentioning the Sumy region from where the main attack will take place.

@Crnogorac3, another day and another fake news posted by you :):

disinfo.detector.media/en/post/ukrainian-refugee-women-in-the-eu-as-a-new-face-of-european-racism

"According to StopFake, the publication referred to by the Russian media does not exist. A photo-edited screenshot of a Vision Times publication published on March 24 is being circulated online. It talks about the high risks of sexual exploitation of Ukrainian women who were forced to move to the EU after a full-scale Russian invasion. The propagandists changed the title of the article "War in Ukraine puts refugee women at risk of human trafficking and sex maniacs" to "Ukrainian refugee women involved in sex work refuse to sleep with blacks and people of color: the new face of European racism". They also changed the author and the release date of the article.

Russia systematically discredits Ukrainian refugees."

So this is why Crnogorac3 usually posts screenshots of "news" rather than links to articles :)

Crnogorac3, you will burn in hell for spreading those lies and fakes :] 🔥👹🔥 But even before that happens, I hope that karma will get you while you're still alive.

@Crnogorac3
Good thing all the Serbian women are making up for that racism and sleeping with every black and other colored person they can. Have to introduce some intelligence into the Serb genetic pool. Its an awful shallow pool, but a bunch of NATO soldiers can help raise that level quickly.

In the real war, and in real news, the Moldovan PM stepped down yesterday after Orc missiles came into their airspace. This will be the next epicenter for little fag Vlad to make problems. The PM was then replaced with a pro EU PM who is expected to cause problems for Vlad and his little Moldovan coxuckers he has in the government. I wonder what happens when those Orc missiles flying over Moldova start to get shot down?

This morning, allied aviation is operating in a targeted manner across Ukraine.



Rockets go to work this morning.

Lots of rockets today. Which the Russians don't have. Major infrastructure was destroyed.

Someone else is obviously targeting, the Russians don't have any more missiles.

Moaning and whining on ukro-occupier's channels. They say that the sky is decorated with shahed/geran drones.

The Russians even made a song about them. 😁

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