Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

@Bobko
Did I say the "west"? No. I said US. The last time the US threatened tariffs was Trump in 2020. The last time tariffs were raised 2018 under Trump. Every US President who has taken this approach has brought China in line. Maybe you need to read a history book other than that of Russia. You know Chinese tariffs on American goods are far greater than those from the US on China goods right? You understand that if the tariffs were equal that China could not export a piece of rice to the US? The trade imbalance with China is a gift and that gift can be taken back. China cannot export cheap labor to Russia because Russia already is a slavery system.

If one piece or military equipment goes from China to Russia, watch what happens. The Chinese economy is already shrinking, Xi is not going to risk the worlds greatest consumer even slowing its purchasing. They will send their second rate tech though. Yes, second rate, because for years, the US has denied China access to the newest chip making technology and equipment. Nothing tech coming out of China will come close to Japan or Taiwan, and the US controls those markets.

Keep reading those text books.

Meanwhile little biatch Vlad is making his speech. The west is the threat...bla bla bla Funny how it was not the west that invaded Russia. The Russian inferiority complex and the crying out of "hey look at me" is pitiful. What could be an amazing country is nothing more than a $hit hole criminal state.

Dude, Russia's revenue from selling oil&gas dropped around 40% between January 2022 and January 2023. They admitted it in their own budgetary data.

And those revenues form at least 40% of Russia's state budget. So much for self-sufficiency.

Sure, selling oil to India for discount price allows to mitigate some of the losses from European market, but that's not self-sufficiency, that's a desperate measure. With gas the situation is even worse, because without ready pipelines Russia is unable to send more gas East to compensate for the losses in the West.

Europe is now sitting on a glut of non-Russian natural gas.

It's impossible to argue with these people. You say - "yes, India taking our exports is helpful". They'll say - "oh sure, but it's a desperate measure, and every day you sell less and less." Ok. Let's leave logic outside the parentheses, and entertain this. Should I sell to you instead? I thought you don't want my stuff no more. Maybe I should adopt Pawian's policy recommendation, and ban all exports, since they are known to be harmful to the economy and one's war-making ability.

The same people, 12 months ago - with the conviction of a suicide bomber - would tell me the ruble is going to go to 300 to the dollar, and that I should expect a 30%+ GDP collapse. Instead of tracking how big a discount Russia is receiving on its crude, explain how Ukraine will pay its pensioners and bureaucrats when it's entire budget is less than the amount of payouts they owe to soldiers and soldiers' families for being wounded or killed in action. One of the world's largest steel exporters cannot produce steel. One of the world's largest agricultural producers, can't grow crops. One of the world's largest IT outsource locations, is having a hard time keeping the lights on for more tham 8 hours a day. Meanwhile, this genius is telling me that Russia earns $15 less per barrel, and how soon it will bankrupt me.

Genius, put two and two together - who pockets the Russian oil discount? Is it Indian refineries, or the murky, grey market intermediaries that deal in our crude, and who are almost all Russians themselves.

If you are curious to learn more about who is making money on discounted Russian crude, Google is your friend. Here's one good link:

energyintel.com/00000186-6f67-de95-a7ae-6f7724250000

Here's an excerpt from the NYTimes, about what happened when they tried to figure out how much India pays for Russian crude:

Some oil experts say, however, that the steep discounts for Russian oil could partly be an illusion.

Using customs data from India, Mr. Vakulenko, the Russian oil expert, showed that local importers of Russian crude paid almost the same price as Brent crude. A New York Times analysis of the same data produced similar results.

The explanation, Mr. Vakulenko suggested, is that at least part of the large discount on the quoted Urals price had been pocketed by Russian exporters and intermediaries, who then charged a higher price to the buyers in India.

Source: nytimes.com/2023/02/07/business/russia-oil-embargo.html

Funny isn't it? Oh well, at least Western elected officials can report that they did everything in their power to stop Russian aggression.

I feel like Ramzan Khadyrov is like an Eastern European version of Ricky from Trailer Park Boys who somehow got put in charge of the country

Rickey is nicer than Kadyrov, though Putin does remind me a bit of Mr Lahey (with Lavrov as Randy Bobandy).

nobody's seriously considering sending A-10s. a slow, low-flying CAS aircraft from the 70s flying over a country flooded with manpads, ECM and without air superiority trying to turn the tide of artillery-centric warfare. Makes no sense PolAMKrakow.

...but forgot our border and the hordes pouring through it.


US taxpayers will.

US taxpayers will for half of them. The other half will go to Poland. You know...refugees are a precious asset over there - especially stay-at-home women and kids. They boost the economy by spending welfare money, according to the PF school of economics.

Literally this is what is happening. The Ukrainian budget had a monthly deficit of $5B at the end of last year. I haven't checked recently to see where it's at, but I'm sure it could not have improved since there were further cruise missile strikes against energy and industrial infrastructure.

They get all their weapons for free (well, nearly all), and their budget holes are helpfully plugged by the West. Other warring countries like Yemen or Eritrea would jump at such a deal, and kiss the feet of their benefactors. Not Ukraine.

Guess what they have been discussing the last two weeks? Increases to the size of payouts Ukrainian soldiers receive, for fighting in frontline areas. The proposal is that soldiers directly involved at the front will receive a monthly bonus of 100,000 Hrivnya, and those in rear area (but still subordinated to the front) 30,000. That's $2,700 and $900 roughly.

The above will likely be approved. What's already in place is a monthly salary of 10-30K Hrivnya, and payouts of 15M Hryvnia for KIA, and 3M for WIA.

I wonder how American taxpayers would react, if they understood that the citizens of this impoverished and backwards country, that are suffering an aggressive invasion from a much larger neighbor, and thus should be fighting this war on pure enthusiasm and unbridled patriotism - are being paid more money than some American GI or French Foreign legionnaire, who typically fight for their infinitely richer countries in some faraway sh!thole they are both not familiar with, and don't care about?

Does it make sense to you, Novichok, that Ukrainian soldiers are paid more money for "frontline duty", than an American grunt who was busting his ass in Afghanistan? Why is "Freedom" and "Patriotism" enough to convince an American to go die for country, but a Ukrainian needs a $2,700 bonus?

@Bobko
Funny how you talk about "our" when referring to Russia. And you use "me" when talking about how sanctions may affect Russia. When you are a coward hiding in the US. You have no credibility when saying anything when you are an admitted Russian who is wanting Russia to "win", yet you hide in the all-encompassing evil United States and you are living in the lap of western society. Hypocrite maybe? Go to Moscow and fight for your country.

When will Russia open the stock market? When will foreign investors be allowed to access their accounts and pull their money out? Watch what happens to Orc nation when that happens. I wonder what the price of oil will be when all of it has to be pumped to pay off the rebuilding of Ukraine? And if Russia does not pay for it, how Russia will survive decades of sanctions? Probably about as well as North Korea.

It never closed. It's illegal for residents of those countries which froze our assets and sanctioned our financial sector, to trade on our market. If you are Turkish - no problem. If you are from Thailand or Colombia, doesn't matter either. But if you're English, American, or Polish - sorry. Give us our money back first. Thieves.

Ukraine demands and practices psych blackmail.


They will not react because American taxpayers live a country where informational black holes are practiced daily by the obedient presstitutes that would make Pravda editors cringe.

Please remember that American taxpayers-voters elected Binden. That's all you need to know to figure out who you are dealing with. Yikes...


But they are "democratic" thieves so they are the good thieves.

@Bobko
LMFAO and when it opens and all those investors pull out, the Great Depression will look like a Roman Holiday. What you and the other Orcs refuse to grasp is that Russia never has been and never will be in control of the worlds biggest markets. It never will equal the US or even China at this point. Russia is the Somalia of Eurasia. For centuries Russia has been showing the world how to fvck up a wet dream. A complete waste of natural resources and human capital. It is a disgrace. And that is exactly why you are in the USA. If you really loved Russia, and were a patriot, you wouldn't be living with the enemy.

No it's not if it doesn't want to be.

...and take care of your own woke perverts.
I love that fake concern about Russia while foreign scum - assisted and abetted by their own globalist mafias - is irreversibly destroying what even Hitler didn't manage.

So much potential riches.... so much human potential.... and they waste it all stealing from and brutalizing each other and trying to make surrounding areas as miserable as they are.

Ukraine has had enough of that and wants a better future that is impossible with the backward violent primitive russians....

That's what happens when a country has a meek traitor as president.

Z should have met P in April and none of this bs would happen. Unfortunately for the millions, he is just another American wh*ore who turned Ukraine into testing grounds and a place where useful idiots help the pimp make big bucks. Poland, another useful idiot, is just collateral damage.

huh russian nazis should have met putain?

Why?

Why should anyone take anything you write seriously when you don't even know that Z is the symbol of the russian invasion and not of Ukraine....

Clueless you are.

Z = Zhole = Zwhore = Zelensky.

OK now?

Quoting:

Baltic nation urges West to cross 'red lines' on Ukraine
Constraints on supplying weapons to Kiev only exist "in our minds," the Lithuanian president says

When I blow my nose, what comes out is more important than what some a-hole in a faraway sh*ithole tells the US to do. That's why having these little sh*itholes in "NATO" aka the US is such a moronic idea.

It's like taking an overly hyper kid to a store with china. They contribute nothing but scream and can get you in trouble.

BTW, just curious if both Portuguese tanks have arrived in Paris on the way to Warsaw.

No.... I'm not going to re-calibrate my understanding in order to facilitate your ignorance..... russian shills refer to Zelenskyy as Elensky (unworthy of Z?) or Jewlenskyy update your writing style and govern yourself accordingly.... or be ignored to fester in your own malignant ignorance.

@Bobko
Never watched the movie. Russia's swamp is within its own borders. Unless and until other countries voluntarily join that swamp. Which Ukraine is not doing but Belarus is. So stick with your other $hit hole Belarus, and FO. Get out of the NYC and FO. Go back to your beloved swamp.

Breathtaking. No, Mr. President of Lithuania. The constraints do exist, and in microscopic Lithuania's case they are very real. Maybe America can afford itself to think this way, but not you. Best to sit down, shut up, and not speak until spoken to.

In general, Lithuania is a very strange country, even by micro-Balt standards. Recently, a couple years back, it jumped headlong at recognizing Taiwan, in the process flatfooting even Washington and Brussels. China promptly reacted by sanctioning all of Lithuania's trade with the country. Then Lithuania began to squeal and stomp its feet, and demanding "European solidarity in the face of this attack on our values". When puzzled Germans and French asked them why they did what they did, they of course said: "Freedom", "Democracy", "Liberal world order".

It seems to be a suicidal country in terms of its foreign policy. It has an enormously inflated sense of self importance, that in no way comports with its actual place in life.

Such a mystery why Ukraine wants to be free of russian savagery and violence...

twitter.com/InsiderEng/status/1628038562959482887

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1628060530962231299

@Bobko, judging by your description Lithuanians sound like some awesome people :)

And in case anyone wondered:



No, Bobko isn't an exception. This is a typical attitude of RuSSian Putinists (and RuSSia's) to smaller countries. And they act as they think.

This attitude is one of the reasons why RuSSia isn't... very popular... in Poland... let us call it this way :)))

The concerns of the mouse, do not interest the elephant. So it has been since man climbed down from the trees.

Successful countries learn to live with their neighbors. Poles and Lithuanians keep trying to write a new epic of Gilgamesh.

self-knowledge is apparently not a russian virtue because that is the most succinct explanation for general russian societal failure I've ever seeen.... hats off!

Um... Perhaps according to a way of thinking of a caveman from Stone Age :))) European civilisation and mentality is based on the opposite attitude - on Christianity.

And what Christianity has to say about this?:

'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
Matthew 25:40

This is the world I want to live in. And this is the world Ukrainians are fighting and dying for. I don't want Bobko's world in which only big bullies have something to say. I don't want to live in Russkij Mir. Neither do Ukrainians, clearly.


Yup. And it looks like Bobko doesn't even realise it ... Tragic...

Neither do lots of russians including him....