Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

One could argue that acquiring a huge ballast of useless Eastern European countries as NATO allies was a shortsighted decision, that ran orthogonal to what America should have been pursuing. The result is the largest land war in Europe since WW2, and Russia (a country the West invested trillions into) being forced into the embrace of China (America's supposed enemy number one). America is increasingly finding itself talking inside an echo chamber of its vassals, and not engaging with the actual movers and shakers in the world. The tail is truly wagging the dog.

A correction...NATO "allies". Big difference.
Adding a Euro sh*ithole like Albania to NATO is a pure liability to the US other than as a place to land. Poland became just that.

Useless East European countries that are all richer, safer, healthier and happier than Russia. And stronger too - I think a coalition of Poland, Romania and the Baltics would defeat Russia comfortably in a land war.

I don't pay Russian taxes. I don't vote in Russian elections, and above all - pay attention now - nobody there sends their men to kill and be killed for me and on my behalf for my "democracy and my freedom".


Now I really like you, cms. Just make sure to send Americans and American money back home where we could really use them at the border.

Let me explain this to you in simple words.
It's all a matter of direction and velocity. NATO was moving in the wrong direction too fast. Russia was not obligated to wait till the first C-130 lands in Moscow.

Here is an example of how the US handles the concept of direction and velocity...Every US aircraft carrier has a 200-mile radius kill zone that moves as it moves. When a flying object breaches this boundary, it dies. To be sure, they first go through the friend-or-foe routine. If they don't get the right code back, they shoot. That's why we downed that Iranian jumbo jet.

Russia's red line was crossed in spite of all the warnings.

Yaaaaawn... not this again. Nobody was going to invade Russia. Not ever. They would have been able to do whatever they wanted on their huge 17 million square kilometres territory. They could, for example, work hard for their fatherland, do a lot of overtime, study hard, co-operate with their neighbours and turn Russia into a 17-million-square kilometre Switzerland! Now, that would be great, wouldn't it? To work hard for your own country without poking your nose into other countries' business. To leave Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan etc. alone and concentrate on your own largest f*cking country in the world that nobody was ever going to invade. Just an idea. :)

And, once again: NATO was not the reason for this war. Your short, bald KGB-ist idol said it directly himself. It was gathering of Russian lands, getting back the Soviet Union, regaining the "pride", Russkiy Mir, we are a big scary empire again - raaawr! etc. bullsh*t. The problem is, it didn't go according to plan, and it will end up with legendary, galactic butthurt for the Russians. Oh, well - there are worse things in life than galactic butthurts.

I apologise then. It was not my intention.


I am not sure about Eastern Europe, I very rarely go there. As for Poland (which is Central Europe, by the way), America gets a reliable ally on the eastern NATO flank (if only to defend the oh-so-valuable Germany, France or Italy - Russia would have to go through Poland first, right?), with decent economy and relatively strong army (and getting ever stronger); they get billions upon billions from arms purchase contracts (as well as natural gas and other resources sales).

Sure, if the US ever decide that alliance with Poland is not in their long term interest, they will undoubtedly abandon us. I am not a child to think otherwise. But - for the time being - it's better than just being an easy pray to Russians and their imperial ambitions. Why does Poland prefer to be an American vassal rather than the Russian one? I suppose it's the question of national perception of cultural/power hierarchy, if you know what I mean. Basically, a country can stand being a vassal of a country that they perceive as better than they themselves are. Being vassals of someone whom we consider inferior to us in almost every aspect would be unbearable. You may argue that this Polish perception of Russia is skewed, unfair and inaccurate, and I might even tend to agree with you to some extent, but it is what it is.


No to both questions. I do, however, know how nuclear weapons work, and Russia is still a nuclear superpower. That's why nobody was going to ever either invade or "regime change" them. Simple as that. Anything else is just attempting to justify Russia's idiotic attempt at restoring their "empire".

USD to RUB today is the same as three years ago - at 77.

xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=5

I apologize - I missed this pearl. What type of narcotics are you consuming? In the real world, where I live, Russia is busy digesting the aggregated weapon stocks of the collective West. American (AMERICAN!!!) stocks of certain weapons are running low, and defense officials are ringing alarm bells. This genius says a bunch of malcontents in the active process of extinction will defeat Russia? Hahahaha

Ah, yes.

Radosław "If you think Russia has imperial ambitions you might be high on pain killers and you should apologize" Sikorski.

edition.cnn.com/2023/02/17/politics/us-weapons-factories-ukraine-ammunition/index.html

There was an ammunition shortage around production but the US is ramping up its efforts on several fronts so this wont be a problem. New factories and plants are being opened throughout the US. To quote the article

The Army is planning a 500% increase in artillery shell production, from 15,000 a month to 70,000, according to Army acquisition chief Doug Bush. Much of that increase will be fulfilled by the Scranton plant, which makes a large share of the country's supply of artillery shells.

Across the US, munitions factories are increasing production as fast as possible. A Lockheed Martin plant in Camden, Arkansas, is cranking out a series of rockets and missiles, including those used by the Army's Patriot missile system - all of which are in high demand in Ukraine. Bush told reporters in January that the Army was standing up a new plant in Garland, Texas to make artillery shells, while an existing plant is being expanded in Middletown, Iowa that loads, packs and assembles 155 millimeter shells.

Good. So in a few years that plant will produce in a month what the Russian army consumes in a day. Thank you for this link.

Russia would not win a land war with any medium size European country

Your soldiers are unfit drunks, with primitive equipment and no discipline. Your officers are thieves and frauds and your weapons are poorly maintained junk. If you cannot defeat Afghans or Ukraine, how on earth would you win a war against a technically superior country like Poland or Romania ?

Why aren't you winning the current war ?

Has life not taught you yet that underestimating the enemy can lead to disastrous results? Learn from our example if you are a man of intelligence.

There are no civilians or human shields in Bakhmut but your army of alcoholic rapist prisoners hasn't been able to capture it

Do you want to bet that they will?

Did you consider that Russia wants to save as many Russian troops as possible, too? Do you remember that Z "victory" when Russians simply left the city? "To the last man" is not a Russian slogan.

They have a funny way of showing it - throwing them into artillery fire armed only with Hello kitty sleeping bags and WW1 rifles. Telling them to sleep on top of an ammo dump. Piling their corpses into landfills.

The Russian army is a joke

And that's why they could have been defeated by Poland alone in months, if not weeks. An opportunity missed...Damn...

Then why is there such a huge demand for diapers from those ~15% of the Earth population who tend to call themselves "the whole world"?


As always... Poland misses their opportunities every time. And always "a day too late and a one dollar short"... ;)

@Novichok
No that post just makes clear that you either have glasses on or have good eyesight. Being a traitor does not impede your ability to recognize beautiful women. Something we agree on. Wow will you now be my friend?

Finland now is constructing barriers along the border with Russia. Funny how that happens isn't it? Soon, I can envision a wall cutting off Russia from all points in the EU. Imagine little Kaliningrad with no entry and exit point other than the rail system agreed to by treaty. At the same time Ukraine drones are reaching deep into Russia, only 100 km outside of Moscow by new accounts. Things that go boom like oil refineries just going up in smoke.

We are not wearing diapers - it is a lovely spring day and we are going about our business here in Poland, making money and taking our kids to school. We survived another winter without your gas and oil threats, the zloty is back to normal and we are not scared of you waving your rusty nukes around. All your threats have and will fail, because your military is a joke.

Hey, you're trying to hurt my feelings! Again. :)


Romania's, Poland's and Russia's birthrates are quite similar...

theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/birth_rate/

... even with millions of muslims inflating the Russian statistics. So, if we are dying out then Russia is as well.

And I don't think the coalition of Poland, Romania and the Baltics would defeat Russia in a land war. At least not just yet. It will take about 10-15 years for us to fully modernise our army, increase its ranks to 300,000 and partially restore conscription (all this has already started). Ukraine is just in the process of buying us this valuable time, and that's why we support them and are grateful for their sacrifice. Slava Ukraini, and all that. After that 10-15 years, even if Russia's military stops being a complete mess that it is at the moment (unlikely) and even if NATO does nothing to help us (highly unlikely), Poland should be impossible to conquer for any army in the world with the possible exception of Chinese armed forces because of their sheer numbers (but Chinese invasion of Poland is extremely unlikely).

It is fact that Russia's stockpiles for many categories of munitions and equipment are running short and out, and Russia with a GDP 20 to 40 times smaller than the west has little chance of outproducing them longterm, even if you didn't consider the heavy sanctions that are designed towards hampering Russia's military production.

Ukraine is far better positioned to deal with long term attrition due to having a much more solid economy and industrial base supporting them.

Russia had a short term advantage in this regard due to large stockpiles, which in many cases were part of their Soviet legacy, but a stockpile advantage is only a short term advantage. And after about a year of heavy usage, and in some ways wasteful usage, Russia has burned through a lot of what they had stockpiled. Stockpiles can never be a replacement for new production for a long war.

The only way Russia is able to prevent that is if China starts backing them with military production. And I have no doubt Russia has been frantically begging China for military aid, which is why China is now supposedly considering it.

I think we should start to think how Ukraine will look after the war, Polish and western investments will be huge as a lot of companies will try and earn money on rebuilding and western states and banks will be happy to give loans to Ukrainian government for them to pay it back slowly after a long time.

This will allow investments in western Ukraine mainly, I can already see it before me with high roads between Kiev-Lviv and Przemysł-Kraków/Warszawa

Imports from east can increase by shipments in to the Black Sea at Ukrainian ports via Poland to Germany.

Now if Ukraine would plan a financial centre in Lviv with innovative app development and a push for cyber marketing and sales or inviting Amazon or similar companies to create hubs from Chinese products.

Future looks bright for Ukraine, I wonder what Kremlin leadership willl do however, build up own country or try and slow down Ukrainian development further

Agreed, however I'd just say Wesrern, since Poland has shown that its very much part of the Western world, both economically, militarily and increasingly socially.


I can see this happening, and of course Lviv has a highly educated population and is within striking distance of several European capitals.


That is the last thing that is needed. Ukraine however could be a huge manufacturing centre as we move away from Chinese-made products.

After all 300 frozen billions of $ are waiting to be transferred to Ukraine as war reparations.

Sure it may not solve all the problems, but it's a good start.

...and stolen. You wanna bet?
Besides, what would they do with it? Rebuild the wreckage and have it flattened the next day?

Actually, it's the West that is thieves. Under what law can a country seize property - private or governmental - without first proving that the owner of that property actually owes money to that country?

All of a sudden, forced collectivization in the USSR looks good. Almost noble...

@Novichok
Might want to read the fine print of every banking contract genius. Lots of ways for the government to take your money as well. But you know that would require knowing what you are signing. And WTF would Russia keep their assets in the west? Maybe ask yourself that.

I am asking for the legal basis that allows Western governments to seize a private boat or RE, not banking regs.


If you mean the US taking money of suspects before they are found guilty or during a routine traffic stop when the cops see cash - aka civil forfeiture - you just made my point that the US is a criminal organization. Thanks. You have been very helpful.

The USSR is looking better and better...