Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

On the other side of the Atlantic, there is a minority (like a couple who post here) who either don't appreciate the situation, or just pretend not to.


One western ally did. The others were financially and militarily exhausted by then as well as rather busy with Japan, however Churchill did favour pressing east in Europe and liberating Poland from the Soviets.

It looks like things are worsening in Bakhmut. At least the r*SSians have lost 20,000 orcs and a huge amount of firepower for a strategically unimportant town.

I disagree with you, joun.
Not only is Bakhmut a National battle cry, BAKHMUT HOLDS ! for the Ukrainian soldiers morale but Bakhmut is located on a strategic supply line between Donetsk and Luhansk.

Your question tells me that you don't read my brilliant posts. As is the case with Bobko, I am a very patient guy so here is my explanation.

Those numbers:

US - 800
Germany France UK - 60 each
Russia - 60

mean that Russia, excluding nukes, is 800+3*60= 980 to 60 weaker militarily. If you trust my ability to divide, 980 divided by 60 equals about 16.

If you had a hard time following, it means that the top four NATO dogs have 16 times more bite than Russia. I would suggest - it's only a suggestion, not proof - that with that 16 to 1 ratio against Russia, even a "nut" like Putin would abandon any hope of conquering Western Europe.

My conclusion: Poland is wasting a lot of money on an army it will never need.

If anything here is not clear, let me know and I will walk you through it again.


They are getting ready here to face the reality that Bakhmut's days are numbered. So, all of a sudden, the "not one inch" place became not really that important.

The Chinese are prepared to wait a very long time; they plan decades in advance. r*SSia however only had a very small window in which to do this.


Actually smart on several levels.


Nobody cares what you think.

You are a funny guy.
And I don't mean ha ha funny.


Why not Poland just build some nukes like Iran and North Korea were prohibited from doing.
Then Poland could bully Russia back by targeting Moscow and Putins family.
I heard Putin has several children by his multiple lovers.

I was thinking about it. We are spending too much, indeed. Why doesn`t NATO adopt the immediate nuke retaliation policy if a NATO country is attacked by Russia? Nuke those fekkers at once if they start a brawl. How simple.

Article 5. It certainly doesn't mean immediate nukes (and they've spent decades gaming all options and outcomes) however it can mean that.

And France with a large nuclear arsenal have a policy of le riposte.

Nuke them!!! And then, hang them!!!

Simply speaking, fekk` em all. I don`t care anymore.

And tell the Yanks to go home. What a splendid plan...

You are an even bigger genius than me.

Wrong! Poland gave up her bullying for good. We are decent today.....


Get a room to discuss it in detail......

The priority is to keep sanctions as long as Russia disintegrates after its economy is completely ruined.

The West owes the long decades of peace after World War II to the fact that no one in 1943 or 1944 decided to get along with the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler and did not return to business as usual with them. No, Germany returned to the family of European states only after regime change and denazification. The fate of Russia must be the same. The war in Ukraine will probably end with some kind of agreement, but whatever it is, it cannot change our attitude towards Russia. Moscow must continue to be suffocated with sanctions, isolated, must remain a pariah for us. Until it changes for better.

We owe it to the Ukrainians buried under the rubble of their own houses.

Don't forget to disintegrate China, India, Iran, South America, and Africa.

This is key.

After WWI, the Americans under Woodrow Wilson and their French lickspittles wouldn't go with Britain's plan for Kaiser Bill's grandson to accede to the throne. He was a competent and peaceful man and would have been a figure the Germans (who crave authority figures and rules) could have rallied round.

Instead, they had France keeping them out of the Rhineland, Upper Silesia going to Poland (which on its own wouldn't have been so bad, but on top of their issues in Rhineland was more of an issue) and a huge power vacuum and void, ideal for a dictator to emerge. And the democratic world let that happen and didn't nip it in the bud.

r*SSia needs divesting of some of the parts of its 'Federation', r*SSians resettling in actual r*SSia instead of Udmurtia, Bashkortistan etc, and absolutely demilitarising with that monitored internationally.

The disintegration process is unavoidable. It has already started.....


It is clear you know nothing about the current Russian empire.:):):)

Do you have a wall-size map somewhere?

With lighted parts of Russia which want to seperate???

Who is the emperor? If Russia is an empire, what is China?
Poles are strange people. That cocktail of poetry, metaphors, and childish exaggerations is not serving you well...

Lol. Good one, good one...

I thought it was obvious Putin desires to be like one - e,g. Ivan the Terrible. That is why he started the war to conquer Ukraine and annex it into Russia, like he is doing with Belarus now.

Fortunately, the West didn`t like the madman`s idea and said a big NO.
And Poland is leading the countries which said NO. I am so proud to be Polish.
HA!

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Dissolve NATO and see what he does.


There is a pill for this condition. Seek help.

If US will decide to go 'all in' - it still takes 6 weeks for any division stationed in America to be deployed in Europe.
And we cannot expect that Russia will attack Poland while it is as weakened and inept as it is now. After the situation in UA is resolved, one way or the other, Russia is bound to work out its current military problems. We cannot assume that even with NATO support Poland can be defended through battles on the border. Only when Russia and Belarus will be forced to use long supply lines in hostile territory - some kind of balance of force can be achieved. War in Ukraine will decide if in WW3 Poland will be defended on the Vistula river or on the Oder.

Also - Polish army has huge territorial defense forces that will be left behind front lines. So in the best traditions of Barbarossa - occupied territories will be pure hell for civilians.

The US will decide to go "all in" when Poland will decide to go "all in" after China invades Taiwan.

In the meantime, quoting AP:

Civilians spoke about daily struggles as the fighting raged on nearly nonstop, reducing much of Bakhmut to rubble. Husband and wife Hennadiy Mazepa and Natalia Ishkova, who chose to remain in the city, said they lack food and basic utilities.

"Humanitarian (aid) is given to us only once a month. There is no electricity, no water, no gas," Ishkova told AP on Saturday.

And that Novichok's Z-P=0 is still there...on record and unrefuted.

I wonder what Hennadiy Mazepa and Natalia Ishkova would say about my equation and if the difference is worth dying for. It is when one is in Warsaw.

If you magnify that pic 1000x, you will see Hennadiy Mazepa and Natalia Ishkova. Say hi.

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It's terrible, this war. I can see why, if you have been busy fighting goat herders for 30 years, one can imagine that war is a breezy affair. I wonder how all those ex-SEAL and ex-Ranger volunteers are feeling right now, when they are on the other end of the drone camera, and on the other side of the bombsight?

Few opportunities to enter Valhalla as a hero, when death arrives from a shell you did not hear, and did not see.

What do you think he will do?
(besides a victory parade on the Red Square....)

It's beyond sad. Again, as in WW2, whites are killing each other as if their numbers were not already depressingly low. In this case, it's even worse with brother against brother.


Putin asked for a lot less and the Western warmongers gave him finger. I guess it's hard to make a buck if nobody is shooting and bombing.


...and never had a war at home. Like brain tumor - it's what others get.

I am Polish by birth and now I am really embarrassed by it.

So sad.......

Why? You were also when you had to be moved to a migrant school as you didnt fit in as you once posted.

You have some kind of inferiority complex.

I could not agree more.

I am embarrassed because Poland should know better than anyone how wars feel day to day and what you see when it's over.

Yet, of all European countries, Poland is the most bellicose.

At my most charitable, it is so because the new generation is low on war experience. Any other time, it's because Poland is America's bit*ch and does what it's told - a situation not much different from the Warsaw Pact days and Poland joining the Soviet army to step on the budding democracy in Eastern Europe.


Just the opposite because I am no longer part of this culture. It's very liberating...