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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



Novichok
14 Mar 2023  #1681

Of about 500 soldiers, roughly 100 were killed in action

...but they died with a smile knowing that they fought for "democracy".
I think I will start packing...to make sure Ukrainians can vote for two corrupt parties as we do here instead of just one.

PolAmKrakow
14 Mar 2023  #1682

And now little Vlad is resorting to sending female prisoners to the front lines from work camps. Yes, dear Putinazi fvcks, this is your leader, sending women to do the job that the drunk men cannot do. LMFAO what a $hit hole country.

Don't look now, but German Leopards will be on the way before the end of the month. Reports out of Russia call for doubling production of weapons, when they cant produce enough right now! lol Artillery shells for Orc nation are being rationed daily on the front lines now. This at a time when it is said that Russian women are heading to the middle east in mass numbers to find work "wink wink".

Poland in the meantime will likely be transferring MIG's to Ukraine before the end of the month as well. How nice will it be to have more ways to whack the Orcs? But of course the concept of fighting for democracy to immigrants who have not had to fight for themselves because others have done it before they arrived still sounds stupid. Immigrants who call themselves American, live in the USA, and still betray every foundation of freedom that is the United States by their words of support for this $hit hole Muscovy. Happy gulag biatches!

mafketis
14 Mar 2023  #1683

sending female prisoners to the front lines from work camps

It started a while ago and has been in the works for a while, generalsvr reported on it months ago....

jon357
14 Mar 2023  #1684

So now Muscovite military planes are deliberately crashing into American drones over international waters.

Looks like Putler wants to escalate the war.

PolAmKrakow
14 Mar 2023  #1685

@jon357
Just read that. Little Vlad needs to be careful now. Sleepy Joe could respond just to prove he is not soft. It really is like watching two retards play chess or risk.

jon357
14 Mar 2023  #1686

Sleepy Joe

I wish people wouldn't call hin that. Bombast, front and a huckster's swagger are not always good qualities, especially in a leader; so far, his calm and measured approach has been highly effective. I prefer a certain diffidence to brashness. And I suspect he has very skilled military strategists who he actually listens to.

Little Vlad needs to be careful now.

Very. The military strategists in several major countries including the UK, France, the US and Poland have (over many years) gamed every possible outcome of an escalation by Muscovy. None of them end well for Moscow.

PolAmKrakow
14 Mar 2023  #1687

@jon357
He is unfit for Presidential Office. The only thing he has gotten right is this war, and the only reason is he is listening to advisers. Ukraine and the US are both fvcked if someone strong is not in the oval office in the future. Sleepy Joe likely wont run again, and then you have the absolute idiot Harris leading the way? I would rather change my fvcking pronouns than follow that stupid woman.

Vlad is now entering a dangerous territory. The message he should be receiving is that if it happens again, the Black Sea fleet will disappear.

jon357
14 Mar 2023  #1688

@PolAmKrakow
He's actually very good for that joib, however there are other threads here on politics and current affairs over there.

listening to advisers.

Something all politicians should do very carefully indeed; they are the ones to listen to. Putler would do well to heed advisers rather than think he can direct a war.

he Black Sea fleet will disappear.

The received understanding is that this would be the response from the UK or France at a couple of levels of escalation up from Putler using a tactical nuke in Ukraine.

Novichok
14 Mar 2023  #1689

Hey, Russia haters, I know you are genetically stupid and I feel sorry for you. But, as a nice guy, I want to give you a chance to wise up. I promise that if you watch this video, by the time you are done, you will be a lot less stupid.

youtu.be/F7D6usfNUVI

pawian
14 Mar 2023  #1690

I promise that if you watch this video

No, we won`t coz we never watch this worthless stuff coz life is too short. :):):)

Novichok
14 Mar 2023  #1691

It really is like watching two retards play chess or risk.

Easy with those insults...So far, one gained 20% of Ukraine and the other one lost 100 billion bucks.

cms neuf
14 Mar 2023  #1692

Seems the Muscovite pilots have been on the electric soup again and drunkenly smashed into this drone. But what the hell were they doing in the Black Sea area anyway. Romania and Turkey, the major powers in the Black Sea should impose a new fly zone.

Joker
14 Mar 2023  #1693

drunkenly smashed into this drone.

And what will Bidumb do about it? Absolutely nothing as usual. Perhaps, another warning... Im sure Putan and Xi are shaking in their boots.

jon357
15 Mar 2023  #1694

drunkenly smashed into this drone.

Do you think it was alcohol? Anything is possible.

. But what the hell were they doing in the Black Sea area anyway.

Muscovy have a long history of doing this.

PolAmKrakow
15 Mar 2023  #1695

Two hundred thousand men killed for less than 20%? Not exactly a successful military model. 100 Biillion, and not one US military until fighting in Ukraine? Sound strategy for a proxy war indeed. Lets hope both sides advisers stick to their plans and these models. Eventually, the bodies will run out before the money will.

Read an interesting report today about the EU buying more 155 shells for Ukraine and to restock their own stores. Each one an average cost of $3000 to $5000. This number is astronomical. Considering shells of this type are not produced by companies making the high-tech missiles and those systems, these smaller companies making shells are making incredible profits if these are the costs. At the start of the war these shells cost $2000. Quite an increase in profit margins. And these are the numbers coming from EU companies making these shells, not US companies. So its not just the US MIC that is cranking up profits.

Meanwhile, Russia is using roughly ten times the number of shells per day that Ukraine is. And Ukraine is still holding. That kind of shelling efficiency for Russia doesnt say a whole lot about their continued capability. Maybe the women arriving on the scene will make the Orcs more efficient? Putin sure is doing everything he can to escalate the population crisis in Russia. Now killing off women that can have children along with the men, that is definitely a successful model for a population crisis. Happy gulag biatches!

GefreiterKania
15 Mar 2023  #1696

Meanwhile, Russia is using roughly ten times the number of shells per day that Ukraine is.

Apparently it's not true anymore and the ratio is closer to 1:1; a very interesting interview...

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/wojna-rosja-ukraina-110-dni-walczyl-o-bachmut-to-rzez-i-twierdza/mv2l34s,79cfc278

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2023  #1697

Apparently it's not true anymore and the ratio is closer to 1:1;

"Lack of ammunition is the number one problem"

tagesspiegel.de/internationales/fehlende-munition-ist-das-problem-nummer-eins-russland-und-der-ukraine-gehen-die-geschosse-aus--kampf-um-bachmut-geht-dennoch-weiter-9487265.html

.....that's what the german papers say at least!

An understandable reason to watch the shelling......

jon357
15 Mar 2023  #1698

Putin sure is doing everything he can to escalate the population crisis in Russia.

Basically killing off his own population. The future is very bleak for Muscovy.

these smaller companies making shells are making incredible profits

In times of war, it's normal to nationalise such companies to prevent profiteering, or at the very least buy them at a price the Ministry of Defence determine..

Kashub1410
15 Mar 2023  #1699

@jon357
I still stand by my theory of Putin and their henchmen wanting to push this for as long as possible, if not only to reduce the chances for the opposition to be huge and dangerous. I think he seems some rebellion as innevetable now, and has had it as a complaint/reason to not accommodate the west in any way during any negotiations.

I wonder how many Russians are able to see it, wether he does this deliberately or not. It's paints a worse picture for Russia, day by day. The west can afford losses of Ukrainian men, women and children. Can Russia afford it tho? And their own men?

PolAmKrakow
15 Mar 2023  #1700

@jon357
That cant happen in the UK or USA based on my understanding. Private enterprise may be paid, but cannot be forced to sell or operate at a loss. Publicly owned companies definitely cannot be forced to do anything. This is a slippery slope when its attempted. Government over reach in this manner looks a lot like communism. Profits are normal, but a 50% to 150% increase is simply out of line.

jon357
15 Mar 2023  #1701

@PolAmKrakow
It can in the UK in time of war (or anywhere with a functioning government) if the appropriate legislation is passed.

Private enterprise may be paid, but cannot be forced to sell ....Publicly owned companies definitely cannot be forced

Nationalisation is common enough. When it happens in the UK (as it did recently with LNER, the shares in a company are transferred to the Treasury Solicitor; that department exists for this purpose.

This is a slippery slope when

It works rather well in those countries with thriving publicly owned enterprises and it is appropriate here. There's no reason 'investors' should make money from the public, especially in times of crisis.

PolAmKrakow
15 Mar 2023  #1702

@jon357
In theory I would agree with you. It could never happen in the US. That alone would start a civil war. While companies can change to pitch in like they did in WW2, they could never just be taken over.

Meanwhile, in Poland, looks like those MIG's will be on the way to Ukraine pretty soon. Along with all the new tanks at the end of the month, the new spring offensive is going to be interesting. Rumors out of Muscovy are that a new 400K man mobilization will take place April 1 for new Orc cannon fodder.

jon357
15 Mar 2023  #1703

the new spring offensive is going to be interesting.

It's going to be a gamechanger. I don't see where he'll get 400k men from though, not of fighting age.

they could never just be taken over.

When we've done it, it's always with compensation for shareholders except in cases where the business is insolvent or has held a licence/concession from the state to run critical infrastructure and egregiously broken it.

Korvinus
15 Mar 2023  #1704

.So far, one gained 20% of Ukraine

Perhaps before you guys indulge in such fantasies, at least wait until Russian troops capture Zadupna street and Hujowa alley in Bakhmut?
Russians lost countless thousands of soldiers and half of all their working tanks to capture parts of 4 Ukrainian oblasts. They've been taking Bakhmut since August and still aren't done.

Novichok
16 Mar 2023  #1705

They've been taking Bakhmut since August and still aren't done.

You can skip the details because nobody cares.

Russia cannot afford to let Ukraine become NATO - just as the US cannot ever allow Canada, Cuba, or Mexico to be in a military alliance with Russia. Period. End of the story.

Russia asked for a formal agreement that would legally assure the neutrality of Ukraine and got the middle finger in response. That's why Ukraine is in ruins today.

Two hundred thousand men killed for less than 20%?

Either quote a reliable source or STFU.

GefreiterKania
16 Mar 2023  #1706

the length and breadth of my reading. :)

Don't forget that I am the only person here who reads (and sometimes even quotes) Myśl Polska and Najwyższy Czas, both of them either openly (MP) or cautiously (NCz) pro-Russian. Never heard you complain about those! ;)

Novichok
16 Mar 2023  #1707

ENATO is a joke. "Germany is so weak Poland would win in a week". French "army" is good enough to be a cop in Africa.

youtu.be/vcv39fZPBWg

GefreiterKania
16 Mar 2023  #1708

Igor Lutsenko etc.

Thank you. That's exactly what I meant - provide a valuable insight from the Russian point of view.

it does cause respect that he's there in the first place.

It does indeed. You don't often see politicians doing what he does.

It's hard to take seriously a website that has on its front page a headline like this

Well, they are the most popular Polish news portal, so they have to cater for all tastes. :) The premium section is very decent though.

jon357
16 Mar 2023  #1709

Russian

Muscovite?

PolAmKrakow
16 Mar 2023  #1710

@Bobko
Say hello to Frodo for everyone.

Meanwhile, outside of the fantasy land inhabited by Bobko, Frodo and others on PF, little Vlad had his other boyfriend Assad over for a visit yesterday. Instead of just sucking off Iran, the massive cluster fvck of Syria continues. This is the Russian plan. Align with Syria and Iran to move forward. LMFAO "Sure Vlad, Syria can send you 100 million tons of camel $hit in exchange for AK ammunition." "Of course Vlad, we can send you one thousand unmarried, unshaved virgins for each missile you send that can reach Israel. All virgins to be certified by Abdul the sheep farmer." Israel in the meantime offered its own virgins to little Vlad who subsequently turned down the offer citing he preferred all of his people to be uneducated and ignorant, and that Iran was much better suited to fulfill that request.

Russia yesterday had a drone shot down in Ukraine. One they purchased on Alibaba. Yes. The Orc nation has resorted to buying drones on Alibaba to continue the war effort. This is the state of the Russian military. But of course, no truth to stories about the Orcs running out of things to continue the war efforts. Happy gulag biatches!


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