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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



PolAmKrakow
9 Apr 2023  #2401

@Kashub1410
You definitely have not read the documents. This spying was completely unknown to Ukraine until the leak. Russia now moving certain peoples offices to higher floors with access to balconies. Some of the information was very important and telling.

Kashub1410
9 Apr 2023  #2402

@PolAmKrakow
Yeah, I haven't read the documents as I am not in need of reading them. I don't work for any intelligence agency nor need to know the details so that I could make thorough report about the subject...

Now go on a feel "victorious" about "busting" me for something very obvious

PolAmKrakow
9 Apr 2023  #2403

@Kashub1410
It has nothing to do with feeling victorious. I read them because it sounded serious, and it is serious. I am sure Ukraine now thinks its serious and probably has a lot of questions as to why the US would spy on them. It also lends more strength to the corruption complaints of many. I am sure many more NATO countries and US allies are now wondering how much the US is watching them. Lots of questions to unpack on this.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Apr 2023  #2404

Interesting source....

....According to Tymochko, the Russian assault of Avdiivka has "choked" while Russian forces "still do not control Marinka despite having reduced the city to rubble".

The ISW also notes that Russian military bloggers also allude to the decreased pace of the offensive pace. Experts quoted one of them saying that "the pace of Russian offensive operations along the entire Avdiivka-Donetsk City frontline has decreased over the past day and emphasised that Russian forces are struggling to advance anywhere in Ukraine"

According to Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the DPR Vostok battalion, the Russian command has decided to practically halt the daily ammo issue at the frontline sections where there are no offensives ongoing, the ISW writes. ...


novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/04/09/isw-russian-forces-decrease-rate-of-offensive-along-whole-frontline-en-news

...Therefore, the continuous artillery ammo "hunger" will strip the Russians of their ability to "offset" their weaknesses on the battlefield, the experts note....

That doesn't look look good for a quick victory....

I didn't know something like this still exists:

Novaya Gazeta is an independent Russian newspaper known for its critical and investigative coverage of Russian political and social affairs. It is published in Moscow, in regions within Russia, and in some foreign countries.

Novichok
9 Apr 2023  #2405

Just a friendly reminder...Receiving stolen goods is as repugnant as stealing yourself.
Poland took a part of Germany in 1945. That part had Germans. Russia took a part of Ukraine in 2014. That part had Russians. One act was punishment. The other act was unification and self-determination.

Novichok
9 Apr 2023  #2406

so what referendum you speak of?

The referendum that international organizations like the UN could have organized but didn't because the slime knew the outcome so why bother?
That referendum...

Novichok
9 Apr 2023  #2407

Quotes worth posting here...

Ukraine is already broke; its survival solely depends on funds from NATO/ EU countries. Ukraine will fight the war until its NATO/EU supporters become broke. The question is which comes first; the last Ukranian soldier left standing or its NATO/ EU supporters becoming broke and losing appetite for war.

And this:

Ukraine will reveal the extent of its "horrible" losses once its conflict with Russia is over, Vadim Pristaiko, Kiev's ambassador to the UK, said in an interview released on Friday.

All for nothing ...

mafketis
9 Apr 2023  #2408

The referendum that

even Girkin (originator of the war in 2014) said was held at gunpoint...

Novichok
9 Apr 2023  #2409

That's it? Is he still standing there?

mafketis
9 Apr 2023  #2410

What does a collaborator say?

That's it?


Tacitus
9 Apr 2023  #2411

becoming broke

Which is certainly going to happen at the current rate... .

mafketis
9 Apr 2023  #2412

until the leak

I take everything released publicly with a whole tablespoon of salt. I assume that all kinds of things are leaked for reasons that I'm not privy to.....

I do know that if I were preparing a major assault I'd make sure that lots of 'leaks' happened that indicated low morale, running out of equipement etc.

I don't know if something like that is happening. but.... I could understand if it was.... it will be years before anything remotely like the full story is known.

PolAmKrakow
10 Apr 2023  #2413

@mafketis
It was leaked by Russians, and the US has said that some of it is real while parts are doctored up. These documents were strategic and now there are multiple investigations going on. I dont think it will be years, if they can catch the person who did it, they will make an example of them. They are calling this a Snowden level event. That is saying a lot.

Korvinus
10 Apr 2023  #2414

That referendum...

It's a bullshit game and you know it. Putin invades, people flee, he holds a phony referendum with the people still there and cheats anyway. Rinse, repeat.

If Ukraine, or any other country, respects that, Putin will just do it again and again. It's not just about the war today. It's about the next war, and the next.

Novichok
10 Apr 2023  #2415

he holds a phony referendum with the people

What were the results of the UN referendum in Crimea?

PolAmKrakow
10 Apr 2023  #2416

@Novichok
They voted that Russian strippers are the best, and that Crimea was loaded with them each summer. Too bad its off the vacation destination list this summer. Hear its likely to be raining missiles.

Korvinus
10 Apr 2023  #2417

results of the UN referendum in Crimea

What UN referendum? Ruskies have not invited UN.

Novichok
10 Apr 2023  #2418

What UN referendum?

The one the UN proposed and "Ruskies" said nyet to.

Korvinus
10 Apr 2023  #2419

Never heard of such one. What do you mean?

Novichok
10 Apr 2023  #2420

They never did. Even my cat knows about "separatists" and 14,000 Russians killed by Kiev - something the Western "democracies" missed and never suggested a referendum to find out if Donbas qualifies to be as independent as, say,... Kosovo. I wonder why...Hmm...How about because the scum knew what the outcome would be.

So the bastards did nothing and just waited...Then, when Russia finally did it, they screamed SHAM!!!.

Memo to Western scum: You had your chance to propose a referendum but didn't. FU!

You just made my point. Thanks.

Korvinus
10 Apr 2023  #2421

You had your chance to propose a referendum but didn't.

But why should they? There was no military conquest of Crimea by Ukraine. Crimea have always belonged to them. You can as well expect of US, out of the blue, to propose a referendum to check if Florida wants to be part of the USA, or by Germs to check if Bavaria wants to be part of Germany. Or if Moscow wants to be part of Russia.

Crnogorac3
10 Apr 2023  #2422

An attempt to rescue an English mercenary.

This is just like in the movies. Under the title "Saving private Johnny English".

18+

twitter.com/GammonBadge/status/1645407744315342850

mafketis
10 Apr 2023  #2423

In other very russian news.....

Mobilized soldiers from Tuva were buried in Novosibirsk about 1000 km away and their families were not notified.... I guess they're running out of big bags of pelmeni for the families....

twitter.com/EPICGOPFAIL/status/1645010912103784448

russian 'culture'.... is there anything more depraved? Oh yeah, imagining that other countries want it... that's really sick....

cms neuf
10 Apr 2023  #2424

If you asked citizens of Donetsk and Luhansk now they would resoundingly say they want to be part of Ukraine and give their kids a chance in life. Separatist rule has been a disaster and unlike their corrupt pretend rulers, they will have no chance of being evacuated to a woodworm ridden dacha near St Petersburg

Novichok
10 Apr 2023  #2425

But why should they?

Because the Russians in Ukraine deserved the same protection as any other minority.
Sham or not, at least they had a referendum. Germans in the Eastern part of Germany were never asked if they wanted to be part of Poland.

to propose a referendum to check if Florida wants to be part of the USA,

...or the French in Canada be part of Canada...

Novichok
10 Apr 2023  #2426

From RT:

US spied on Zelensky - CNN
An allegedly leaked intel report has revealed that Washington has been intercepting the Ukrainian leader's communications


Why? All the boys in DC had to do was call their dear friend and ask.

For the record...I am very proud to see the US not trusting anyone.

Novichok
10 Apr 2023  #2427

From dailymail.com:

Ukraine says it has been forced to alter its counter-attack plans after US intelligence leak revealed top secret military details - as Russia starts 'scorched earth' bombing of Bakhmut

With friends like this...

Hey, Z, I told you to sign that damn paper and ignore the a-holes in DC but you wouldn't listen ... It's still not too late.

PM me and ignore the PF idiots - especially maf.

Miloslaw
10 Apr 2023  #2428

in the Eastern part of Germany they were never asked if they wanted to be part of Poland.

Ask native American Indians what they think about that.
And how Americans treated them.
Hypocrisy!

Novichok
10 Apr 2023  #2429

Ask native American Indians what they think about that.

I did and they told me that the Russians in Ukraine deserved a referendum.

Crnogorac3
10 Apr 2023  #2430

KIEV'S OFFICIAL ADMITS "HORRIBLE LOSSES"

southfront.org/kievs-official-admits-horrible-losses/


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