Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

@Cmogorac3


dailystormer.in/pentagon-leak-lists-almost-100-nato-special-forces-operators-in-the-ukraine/


That is correct Cmogorac3.
Excellent find.
The leak shows that there are both U.S. and U.K. special forces operating in Ukraine.
And there are a lot more than just a 100.
Like I posted yesterday, WW3 has already started.

polishforums.com/off-topic/poland-usa-news-part-87716/22/#msg1905165

That's how Vietnam started except they used to be called advisors.

No, they are not defending our "freedoms" there since Russia never was and never will be a threat to the US.

So I hope to see those Western "special forces" dead before this bullsh*it blows up into something a lot bigger and more unpleasant.

Because he cozies up to Xi, wags his tail, sells him oil and gas for peanuts - all in vain hope of getting Chinese weapons (which he's not going to get). A sad spectacle really.

Meanwhile, China considers Russia a colonial country who still hasn't returned the lands stolen from them and openly publishes maps with traditional Chinese names of places in Russia. All that doesn't stop Putin from smiling and nicely wagging his tail. I never though I would see that. As I said - quite sad.

If true, and if US and UK advisers are in Ukraine, then it is a big problem. That for me has always been a red line to not cross. Any meetings can be easily held in Poland. And frankly if US and UK advisers are on the ground then I think Putin has every right to be angry about it, and has every right to target them. Still no justification for the war to begin with, but the US should never cross that line.

This 21 yr old kid who is arrested, looks pretty guilty, and based on what other people are saying he was just waiting at home to be charged. But WTF does this say about the military intelligence community? How TF does this kid not only get access to this, but it happens on a reserve base?! The idea that reservists in the US can basically blow up planning in Ukraine is mind boggling. Somehwere in the world Forrest Gump is rolling on the floor laughing.

Captured Russian T-90 tank was seen in an American base in Louisiana...

geekweek.interia.pl/technologia/news-superczolg-putina-pojawil-sie-w-stanach-zjednoczonych-kreml-,nId,6715441

... they are probably conducting tests on it there.

I might be wrong but the overall climate regarding this war seems to be somewhat changing in the West, and if Ukraine doesn't start their offensive soon (they recently changed the planned time from spring to summer as far as I know) then more and more questions will inevitably be asked.

@GefreiterKania
I have to agree. This whole information leak doesn't come off as clean to me. The idea that this kid in Mass could blow up plans in Ukraine isn't working for me. Its mid April, tanks and equipment are arriving daily, and nothing looks to be happening soon. Unless this "leak" is a fake and meant to disguise real objectives it does not make sense. All the information contained in those reports on other countries included with info on Ukraine? The collection of information comes across as disorganized and unprofessional. Not at all how you would expect secret and top secret documents to be maintained.

I am starting to ask questions about oversight not only of Ukraine, but how the US intelligence community is conducting business.

@GefreiterKania
If the west acts more paralysed and disfunctional, it will pave way for "strong" politics in similar fashion as in 1920's due to ww1, economic collapse and general slowness of liberal democracies.

This would enbolden East's dictators and possibly embolden authoritarian tendencies in the west that the left so ardently tried to use as a argument for anything, which will also possibly cause an increase of not only right wingers, but far right wingers.

We can already see the far right spinning out of control in Israel. It should be a very clear warning sign for the rest of the world.

The west is losing impetus and despite Russia's failures militarily they might have predicted correctly about the wests reduced interest in Ukraine and what it means for the world.

The wests intellectuals and far seers are blind and weak, the Russian bear sniffed it and acts on it like on a prey

The problem is that it is Ukraine that acts more paralysed (they have been flooded with money, ammunition and equipment of all kinds - where's the promised offensive?) and dysfunctional (the corruption, $400 million embezzlement scandal etc.).

As I said, a lot of questions will inevitably be asked soon, and Zelensky might have some difficulty answering them. :-/ Let's see what happens.

If Z actually took money he is a dead man, or will end up in prison. If this is the case then I would no longer support defending Ukraine and would hope the EU lets it collapse. Thats said, if not found to be involved, who ever started this accusation should be held accountable.

I don't think you're being fair. I imagine that money which Ukraine is getting isn't just going into military stuff, but into keeping the country afloat. Don't forget that Ukraine is being invaded and RuSSia isn't getting attacked even. Ukraine is getting it's infrastructure destroyed, economy, industry, agriculture, instead of working many people have to hide in basements, subways and bunkers, they have to tackle far many internal refugees than Poland, they're short of many people who fled to other countries as refugees, they're losing many soldiers at the frontline and they're not some huge nation that can afford throwing thousands upon thousands of cannon fodder at the enemy, like RuSSia can.

They also aren't "flooded" with ammunition and equipment, especially not if you compare it to what loads RuSSia has. And don't forget that RuSSia is still making money on selling resources and has far many people it can use as cannon fodder than Ukraine.


According to Seymour Hersh. We don't know if he's right.

Is this fair for the Ukrainians?

This man isn't even a "learned" politician but a comedian...thrown into a highly unusual situation, to be a war leader, he holds himself admirably...I think....

Would you say the same thing about Poland if the PiS government defrauded the money they would be getting? You wouldn't care what would happen to ordinary Poles if RuSSia conquered Poland?


Exactly. I think it definitely wouldn't be fair. They're brave people and they deserve our help.

*nods*

....not to mention that stealing money somehow doesn't fit "Z" as we have come to know him....

@Bratwurst Boy
You should expect every politician to do it, it's not a profession that draws saints towards herself. He is professional about creating a likeable facade (due to his professional background) don't let that fool you.

It still begs the question if Ukraine will hold out or submit under foreign or internal pressure or both.

I'm sure he isn't a saint or sth, politicians in any country usually aren't. But I agree - he's office has been fighting corruption. They realise Ukraine won't be getting money if they don't do it. Besides, if Seymour Hersh's claims turned out to be true I wouldn't be surprised if Ukrainians kicked Zelensky out of his office the way they did it to Yanukovych. There would be another Maidan Uprising. This is not RuSSia. And a lot of people have a lot of guns there now...

The same accusation against....say....Churchill!

What should the Brits had done? Surrendering to the Germans??? Should the US stop all support?

@Bratwurst Boy, good point. Not to mention that at that time the US was sending help to... stalinist Soviet Union...:

"Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today's currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the "enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy - bloodthirsty Hitlerism."'

@Bratwurst Boy
Accusations? You do know how politics work, scratch my back I'll scratch yours.

Grabbing money from public funds is another tool to scratch people's backs (the one that scratched his)

It would be rather honourable of him and very risky if he doesn't do it

...I still want more proof from this Hersh guy....

If Z did this, and thats a big question right now, then he needs to go. If he isn't shown the door or a jail cell if he did it then the country is just as responsible for not holding him accountable. There is no "oooops" in 400 million. There is no sorry for that.

As for Z not being a learned politician, I call that BS. This guy has been in office for enough years, and has been in a war for over a year. He knows what he is doing. No one is a saint, but no one gets a pass after this much experience.

I expect a certain level of theft in every government organization, or taking advantage of the system. In a war though, where the country does not survive without the US and NATO, you do not take chances like stealing 400 million.

Haven't you been following the news?:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/potezny-skandal-w-usa-kijow-juz-musial-zmienic-plany-6885831370210240a

Because of that leak from the US, Ukraine had to change it's plans concerning the counter-offensive.


Me too.

Sounds a bit far-fetched to me. Especially considering all the inaccuracies (and even fabricated documents) included in the "leak". The Ukrainian reluctance to finally start the counter-offensive is somewhat suspicious. It was supposed to be in spring (it's already mid-April), now they say summer (they will probably find an excuse then too), in Autumn it won't be possible because of all the mud, and winter is not the best time to start an offensive, so maybe spring 2024... or summer 2025. Meanwhile, we are supposed to keep giving money, ammunition, weapons, open service centers and arms factories with the sole purpose of supporting Ukraine, accept refugees, turn a blind eye to corruption etc. etc.

Maybe it's only me but I think the mood towards this war will shift significantly in the West if Ukrainians don't finally get their finger out.

Because it's only the case of wanting...

Not only did this kid reveal that NATO has military in Ukraine, he also revealed that the U.S. has been spying on their allies.

Israel is very upset about this which is not good.
Time will tell which European allies the U.S. has been spying on.
This is going to open another cans of worms.

Judging by the articles I've read (including observations by foreign volunteers to the Ukrainian army who are actually doing the fighting there) I don't find it "suspicious".

Unless you know something that I don't know - if that's the case, then do share some kind of professional analysis by respectable military experts who know the realities of this conflict and know what they're talking about.

Because I personally can't take seriously opinions taken out of someone's ignorant or prejudiced doopa, sorry :)

It's just a hunch...

Watch this space.

@GefreiterKania, wars can take years, unfortunately. I don't need a "hunch" to know this. I hope this war will last as shortly as possible, but I don't think anyone can tell for sure how long it will last and what will happen and when.

...definitely the Germans! There has never been a time our closest allies have not also spied on us....and I dunno why!!!

To be honest, Germany's peculiar relationship with RuSSia would be for me enough of a reason to spy on you guys... :P


You're "Polish" to the core then lol