Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

Only Poles know what Putin thinks and if Xi is planning to help Russia. I don't.
This makes Poles visionaries and poets who are too emotional and stupid to hedge their bets the way smart Germans and French do.
As far as "lapdogs", Poland is the biggest US lapdog in the entire universe so try to go easy with your lapdog claims.

This is an example of one of your exaggerations and sweeping (and stupid) generalisations. The fact that GefreiterKania wrote something or even a few Poles wrote something on this forum, doesn't mean that all Poles are or think this way or that "only Poles" are this way or think this way.


What you wrote about Poland is your opinion, not a fact and I don't care about your opinions, especially since your opinions are more often than not based on ignorance and prejudice.

Also, I wasn't the one making "lapdog claims", so kindly f*ck off :)

...well....I was satirical, a little bit! :)

Interesting....


apnews.com/article/china-taiwan-weapons-germany-ukraine-2a51d2c64c12fca75683d20fbafba475

China won't sell weapons to either side in the war in Ukraine, the country's foreign minister said Friday, responding to Western concerns that Beijing could provide military assistance to Russia.

China has maintained that it is neutral in the conflict, while backing Russia politically, rhetorically and economically at a time when Western nations have imposed punishing sanctions and sought to isolate Moscow for its invasion of its neighbor.....

That decision could influence this war....if one believes the Chinese that is....

@Bratwurst Boy

Am I a cynic for pointing out that they could still donate weapons to Russia?

China wont sell weapons to Russia just to make money in any case. Russia can hardly offer them enough to compensate for the potential economic fallout. If China ends up supplying weapons to Russia, they will do so for geostrategic reasons, not economic ones.

Nah....trusting the chinese party leadership would be stupid!

Especially when you think about Taiwan....when China really has plans they will need Russia for support..."Birds of a feather...."

Ah, OK - I didn't catch that ;)


I don't...


Yup.

If yes - there is a certain genius to this. Even Russians, with their very low opinion of America, would be shocked to learn that the US embarrassed itself to such an extent, just to buy space for maneuver for the Ukrainians.

Also, in this age of satellites (yes, Orcs have them too) and sophisticated signals intelligence collection abilities, it would be impossible to obscure the intent behind such a large offensive action.

The Ukrainians are right - the only ones to win from this leak are the Russians.

However, let's entertain for another minute that this was a deliberate leak, and this 21 year old boy is just a patsy. What would the goal be then, if it can't help the Ukrainians better execute an offensive? I would say the goal would be to send Zelensky a signal. Message of this signal:

1) The Western policy where Ukraine and only Ukraine can determine what "winning" looks like, has run its course.

2) Western patience with Zelensky's insistence on "no compromises", "Crimea or bust!", has run out.

3) Western intelligence agencies are not pleased with a situation where they known more about the Russians, than they do about the Ukrainians. Through this leak they demonstrate that they know Ukraine is concealing the scale of its losses, the issues with discipline, with corruption.

4) Bottom line: the leaks shows to the Ukrainians, that privately, the Americans are thinking some pretty dark thoughts. This should wake the Ukrainians up to the need to be more realistic in their dealings. The year of Zelensky as Churchill is over, and now people ask questions.

Is their opinion really that low? Honest question here....

I remember growing up in the GDR....our party (and of course its assorted leaders) HATED the West officially....the other Germans....the US of course....but we, the young people, loved everything western! From clothing to music and movies...all secretly of course...

I could guess it's the same in Russia and every other autocracy.....no?

....at least they leave after 4 years....mostly....but yeah, no Bismarck nowhere!


Do we then get Nordstream back???

Haven't you followed Julia Davis on twitter? She watches the insane snake pit known as russian state tv and translates some of the low points... they hate the US far more than any other country... because even with all it's (very serious) problems lots of russians like to live there and who likes to live in russia?

russians are driven to deranged fury that the world doesn't see them as a special blessed nation and the US shows that more clearly that anything.

One Ukrainian told me (years ago) that almost all russians in the US hate it, not least because it gives them a far better life than they could have in the thieves den of russia.... (and they compensate by loving putain far more than russians in russia do...)

Very sick puppies they are..... very sick and sad.....

From my own experience you have to differentiate between state opinion by politicians and their supporting media and the people...especially in a country where one is not free available...

Surprisingly accurate.

Just know that most Russians never turn on state tv.

Personally I believe I belong to a unique group which straddles the liberals and hardcore guys. I'm horrified at what's going on, but recognize that the only way out is to double down.

I think that's most of the population...globally! :)

@GefreiterKania
Dont get me wrong. I still want to see Russia completely defeeted and broken up. I wanted that long before the war. But this thing with the information leak is just not right. Things do not add up for access, and dstribution. The amount of accurate information and innacurate information raises questions. Something is not right with this information release. Still, happy gulag you dumb putinazi coxuckers!

My thought is that it's a psy op and we just don't have enough info who released it for what reason....

russians are apparently trying desperately to distract attention from an upcoming offensive so stuff that casts doubts would find many fence sitters having doubts which helps putain and russia.

on the other hand, as I've said, if I were planning an offensive i'd 'leak' stuff that made it sound like things were going terribly...

so... it's a horse a piece as they say in the midwest....

Kremlin has a special department to distract your attention and help Putin climb from 80 to 85 percent on the popularity scale.

Since I like specifics, would you be kind enough to name those desperate Russians (it's R, not r) or should I treat your claim as just another throw-away meaningless bs?


There was a guy who tried the same thing. He was burnt beyond recognition before the Red Army was able to save his life.

You must be proud to have the same desire.

Really? Again? Some 21 year old leaking top secret documents?

You guys don't learn from your own mistakes. US gives such a wide access to state secrets its a miracle they are not leaked more often.

Sweden has just sent some tanks to Ukraine...

@GefreiterKania

:D

It'll only be a few short days before the Ukes lose their patience and surrender out of frustration.

How is it going in Bakhmut BTW ? Tanks stuck in the mud ?

Both of them?


That or on dead Ukrainians.
BTW, is it true that the participants are the very best Z can throw in there on one side and a bunch of private for-hire guys on the other?

@cms neuf


Oh, the Russians are easily winning that battle of course.....LOL!!!

A. He's still western enough that he's looking for rational (rather than ideological irrational) reasons for the war...

B. He hates the west that took him in and gave him a better life than Poland (or russia) ever could.

C. Rather than fight against.... excesses (like trans craziness) like many reasonable people (JK Rowling and many, many others) he's pouting like a child and hoping a big daddy figure will save him, putain is his emotional security blanket and sugar daddy and he loves him more than his own family because his sugar daddy will make the bad people (in his mind) go away

What does that even mean?
Can you not understand the fear and hatred in many East European states of Russia?
Germany is no longer a threat.Russia still is.

The leaked documents say otherwise.
They say that China plans on secretly sending weapons to Russia.


Don't you wish Poland had some secrets to leak ?

Nordstream would make a lot of sense with our good old plan of Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok - the plan in which sensible Russia is in alliance with the EU. The EU which would in such scenario be strong enough to talk on equal (at least) terms with the US whilst easily holding the Chinese by their little, wrinkly, yellow balls.

Unfortunately, the bald KGB arseh*le ruined the plan with his idiotic USSR restoration nonsense. For this he should stand before the tribunal. Not for Bucha, not for Ukrainian kids, not for beheading of POWs, but for preventing the EU from becoming the greatest empire on Earth. :(

So, to answer your question: no, in the current circumstances we would be forced to blow up the damn thing again. In the future, if Russia wises up, who knows.

@Novichok
That guy burned beyond recognition turned out to be a woman burned beyond recognition when they examined the skull pieces from the Kremlin. Just a little fact to remember because there has never been a positive ID of that guys body or bones. Contrary what that guy tried to do, I would like to see republics break off on their own and not through war. You know, the whole self determination argument you always use. Lets have them self determine thier own statehood.

Ukraine now is very close to having new weapons and an altered Neptune missle that can hit targets 250 miles away. The Neptune is what sunk the pride and glory of the Black Sea fleet that Moscow in case you dont remember. Once the alterations on the neaptunes are complete, Crimea is well within range and that is where Ukraine will deal little Vlad his next big defeet.

China again yesterday committed to no weapons for Russia or Ukraine and tighter controls on dual purpose products that could be used for war efforts. China is very concerned about losing EU and USA trading partners if it is caught helping Russia. China's economy was in a complete free fall until the last two months and a trade loss would send it falling again.

@mafketis
The level of inaccurate information in these documents is high. The information that is allegedly accurate is a month or more old. This is a 21 yr old kid, only charged with two counts, he faces a maximum of 15 years if convicted of both counts. The kid has no record, and was in the military. There is something not right about all of it. Did he make the edits on these documents before posting them? Where did he get the fake stuff to include with the real stuff? Or was someone else involved? The kid was sitting at home reading a book waiting to be arrested. It does not add up unless this kid is a patsy or has some kind of mental disorder or is part of the operation.

But european pseudo-elites, wholly owned by US, decided otherwise, and finally failed. So now, euro-asian security is discussed between Russia and China, and tiny european balls will be held by strong hands from the East.

About well known 3-centuries old polish dream, looks like current attempt to make it true will cost Poland too much, to survive as truly independent state (never been, really, so no much problem for ordinary Pole).

No, it is your cleptomaniac "elites" that decided otherwise by starting this idiotic war with banderopithecs. What did you need them for? They hate you anyway. You should let them enter the EU and NATO and continue the business as usual. But noooo...


Stop talking nonsense, Velund. Poland is a part of an empire with about half a billion population, strong economy and a lot of political influence. Not to mention that in a couple of years we will have the strongest army in Europe. Meanwhile, you can enjoy caressing Chinese d*cks in vain hope that they will agree to be your best friends forever.