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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



pawian
14 Aug 2023  #361

so sanctions work.

Day by day, week by week, month by month.... etc Russians still imagine they are in a jaccuzzi but soon they will awaken to bathing in a cesspool. hahahaha

Novichok
14 Aug 2023  #362

25% is a lot, so sanctions work.

No, they don't. If sanctions worked, Russia's economy would not be number one in Europe - during wartime! Want evidence?

Long-term benefit: Independence of Western imports. Even the import-loving US finally woke up to the harsh reality of importing chips and medical supplies.

Bratwurst Boy
14 Aug 2023  #363

Russia's economy would not be number one in Europe - during wartime!

Yeah....in Germany people are flabbergasted....we are the only relevant economy shrinking...our gov has a hard time explaining THAT!

mafketis
14 Aug 2023  #364

Russia's economy would not be number one in Europe

How do you square the idea of 'number one in Europe' (by what measure?) with the currency losing 25% of its value this year?

Sumpin' don't fit there.... dat dog don't hunt....

jon357
14 Aug 2023  #365

in Germany people are flabbergasted

People there (and the media they read) were flabbergasted when a British company took over a large and well-known German one in a hostile takeover, despite German companies previously taking over and/or trying to take over companies in other countries including British ones.

The moral of that story is that economies used to continual growth can't expect that to be continuous and that economic cycles are just that, up and down.

And the mistake of trading too much with r*SSia and regarding them as the main source for ones oil/gas is that a downturn is inevitable when r*SSia starts a major war.

Germany will survive, however it may need to carefully assess its economic/commercial strategy and come to understand that living standards can go down as well as up.

Sad, but true.

Too many countries were in thrall to r*SSia's hydrocarbons and didn't realise they were being drawn into a trap. The only (and I mean only) important geopolitical issue right now is to ensure that Putler does not prevail. And after that's sorted, deal with the risk from Chinese economic strategy.

Bratwurst Boy
14 Aug 2023  #366

Germany will survive,

*knocks on wood*

jon357
14 Aug 2023  #367

We'll all survive hopefully (unless those idiots start numbing, and even then the effects as shown in films like 'Threads' were probably overestimated. The important thing is that the western (and not only) economies like yours and my two learn carefully from this war and move forward in a way that is more sustainable in the face of authoritarian states like r*SSia and China.

cms neuf
14 Aug 2023  #368

It is only number 1 based on PPP - Not a measure of the size of the economy that is regularly used

In nominal GDP then I think Udmurtia is number 5 in Europe - and will likely be overtaken by Spain this year.

But in any case it shouldn't be compared to European nations but rather to Finno-Ugric and oriental peers like Kazakhstan and Mongolia.

Novichok
14 Aug 2023  #369

It is only number 1 based on PPP

The DC and Londonoistan warmongers had a different plan for Russia when they were imposing sanctions.

Novichok
14 Aug 2023  #370

Quoting the world's best source, RT:

'Dehumanizing Russians' has backfired - ex-Zelensky aide
The hateful behavior of "collective Ukrainians" has gifted Russian troops more purpose to fight, Aleksey Arestovich has claimed

A general Ukrainian effort to "dehumanize" Russians has become the main "mistake" made by the country in the ongoing conflict, Aleksey Arestovich, a former adviser to President Vladimir Zelensky said on Sunday.


That is consistent with my advice never to insult your enemy and, above all, call him weak and incompetent. I already explained why before...

Hey, RT haters, did you notice that it was AA, a former Z's buddy, who said that, not RT editors?

Memo to Poles: Take a chill pill before dumping more hate on Russia while ignoring what your Western friends have done since WW2. Whataboutism stings. Good.

mafketis
14 Aug 2023  #371

Quoting the world's best source, RT:

Did they report this? If not... they are clearly not the "best"....

twitter.com/EmineDzheppar/status/1690755634340200448

meanwhile in russian state media... it is explained that the natural order in russia is to harshly oppress dissidents...

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1690400883555647489

Did RT report that?

Korvinus
14 Aug 2023  #372

Take a chill pill before dumping more hate on Russia

What you call hate on Russia is actually an experience of living under the Russian rule and knowing what their 'brotherhood' really means. Never again. We would not wish it upon our worst enemies, so why would we wish it upon our friends from Ukraine?

Novichok
14 Aug 2023  #373

When did you live under Russians and what did they did to you?

mafketis
14 Aug 2023  #374

When did you live under Russians

when did you?

Anyhoo..... on to more interesting subjects.... this is an oldie but a goodie... a couple of russians went to occupied Ukraine and found out the russian government lied to them.. (everyone.... put on your shock face) and apparently most of the locals hate them and do what they can to help the Ukrainian military....

twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1691010237698891776

Novichok
15 Aug 2023  #375

Ukraine to compete at 2024 Olympics on one condition
Athletes from Russia and Belarus will have to perform under neutral flags, Kiev insists

"If the Russian Federation and the Belarusian Federation will participate under their own flag, we will not participate in this Olympics," Gutzeit told the outlet.


I don't recall any country refusing to compete when the US and its wh*ores like the UK and Poland were in Iraq. Or earlier in K and V.

I guess killing for "freedom and democracy" is too noble to raise hell over. Or lying about WMDs and killing thousands...

Novichok
15 Aug 2023  #376

NATO scumbags got too brave for their own good from the successes against such "powers" as Serbia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, and sheep herders in Afghanistan. Only shooting fish in a barrel is less risky. Then came Russia, annoyed by all that talk about NATO expansion.

As it turns out, Russia, with its weapons and land war tactics, is a lot harder nut to crack. So now the Western scumbags' dilemma is how to explain why they spent 200 billion bucks and 350,000 Ukrainians for Z-P to still be a zero.

Wasn't worth it...Right, a-holes?

mafketis
15 Aug 2023  #377

Russians bravely attacked a kindergarten in Lviv today..... russians were saddened to realize they didn't actually kill any children..... ( "there's always next time..." russia thought wistfully)

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1691324291403386880

Ironside
15 Aug 2023  #378

a lot harder nut to crack.

oh really? Don't say you mean the country with the largest territory, nukes that used to be soviet with so many ores and raw materials that have been preparing for war and waging smaller wars for the last 20 years somehow didn't fall apart overnight when weak country with 5 times less population kicked him in the balls?

You call it a big success? Stop sending paid spam to PF.

russians were saddened to realize they didn't actually kill any children.

Yes, we get your point. Send it to Mr Biden and tell him to send some more millitary stuff to Ukraine. That would accually make a diffrence, posting it here not so much..

mafketis
15 Aug 2023  #379

Send it to Mr Biden and tell him

he stopped taking my messages after I told him to stop smelling children's hair....

Ukrainians for Z-P to still be a zero.

If russia had taken over the numbe of dead Ukrainians would be a lot higher...

Here, let Gubarev explain

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1579898054312071168

Now you can explain why you don't think he meant it....

Korvinus
15 Aug 2023  #380

Then came Russia, annoyed by all that talk about NATO expansion.

What a bunch of unfiltered bullshit.

The so-called "NATO expanding eastwards" situation was actually countries that between 1989-91 managed to escape the poisonous embrace of the Soviet Union and its successor, Russia, asking NATO to join, then for years fulfilling the membership criteria (under different governments because these countries are, you know, democracies in which different parties won elections and yet upheld the decision which had massive popular support), and finally, being allowed to join the alliance - however as a second-class member, with no permanent NATO installations, units, or even situational plans for the event of hostile invasion. Poland joined NATO in 1999, and yet we had no permanent foreign allied troops presence before the Russian annexation of Crimea. It was Russia's actions that caused the deployment of serious NATO forces on its borders.

mafketis
15 Aug 2023  #381

managed to escape the poisonous embrace

It's about narcissism....

russians suffer from narcissistic wound that no one likes or admires them

as a narcissist himself, novi sympathizes with this wound and externalizes his rage against the world that doesn't care about him onto russia, so he enjoys and sympathizes with the atrocities they commit...

Korvinus
15 Aug 2023  #382

novi sympathizes with this wound and externalizes

When people write NATO expansion caused Russian invasion, I can't tell if they are pretending in order to to push an ideological narrative, or if they are retarded. If they are dealing the drug, or if they are using it.

mafketis
15 Aug 2023  #383

what does 'winning' look like for russia?

Soldiers mobilized from the Udmurt republic (!) record an appeal to putain (primitive society you always appeal to the top) complaining about their treatment at the front. Within hours the video is removed from telegram and other outlets and then the men record an apology....

twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1691118789029396480

Girls forced to record an apology video for listening to a Ukrainian song in Crimea...

twitter.com/WarsForFreedom/status/1691294701188526080

What a repulsive 'culture'.... who does this appeal to?

Novichok
15 Aug 2023  #384

When people write NATO expansion caused Russian invasion,

When people write that NATO expansion didn't cause the Russian invasion I can't tell if they are just morons or if they think that all actions must be caused by only one event to simplify their simplistic childish worldview even more.

For now, my suggestion is that you, Russia haters, reverse things and ask yourself this very simple question:

What would the US do if most of South America joined the Warsaw Pact and the USSR funded a revolution in Mexico to replace a US-friendly, democratically-elected government with a hostile one craving Warsaw Pact membership and Soviet weapons - including nukes? If that picture is not compelling enough, add Canada.

Not a single one of you, morons, would say: Well... if free and independent countries want to join the Warsaw Pact and have the Soviet nukes it's their decision and the US should mind its own business.

Talking to childish idiots is so annoying...

mafketis
15 Aug 2023  #385

NATO expansion didn't cause the Russian invasion

soooo NATO expansion...... _that's_ why russia targeted a kindergarten in Lviv.....

twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1691388420784820224

cms neuf
15 Aug 2023  #386

Why ask us about theoretical things from decades ago. The Warsaw Pact ended in 1989, bankrupt both literally and spiritually

No "South American" country would join it voluntarily because it was a tool of Udmurtian control.

Plenty of countries have volunteered and voted to join NATO because it is an awesome idea, with better weapons, better tactics and no sprats.

johnny reb
15 Aug 2023  #387

Talking to childish idiots is so annoying...

Then maybe you should take a break from your daily rants.
This is one more reason why the Deep State (obama and Soros and China) are scared sh*tless of Trump getting elected again.
Their goal is to destroy America and are using this war to do it.
Do you remember what Trump said about NATO and this war seven months ago ?

donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trump-calls-for-immediate-de-escalation-and-peace

TRUMP 24' !

Novichok
15 Aug 2023  #388

Why ask us about theoretical things from decades ago.

No "South American" country would join

The stupidest arguments of the day.

Plenty of countries have volunteered and voted to join NATO because it is an awesome idea,

I stand corrected. This one was even more stupid.

Cuba volunteered to receive Soviets rockets because Cuba thought it was an awesome idea. Yet, the US didn't give a fu*ck how awesome it was and told the Soviets to get lost or else...

Russia doesn't give a fu*ck how the NATO map has changed. It has changed. In 2014, the Western warmongers crossed the line with that US-funded revolution because the good citizens couldn't stand Ukrainian corruption - but only because they were not on the scam.

Please stop digging. We already know that talking to Poles is useless. That Katyn syndrome is in your DNA because Russia didn't send money. Auschwitz is OK now as a tourist attraction.

johnny reb
15 Aug 2023  #389

Ruble drops to less than a penny.
In panic mode after ruble plunges below a penny, Russia rescues Vladimir Putin from humiliating currency collapse with emergency hike.

pawian
15 Aug 2023  #390

from humiliating currency collapse

But in another thread Bobko said it is good for the Kremlin when the ruble is weak. Was he wrong???


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