Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

February. However it is not about the ordinary Joes in one country. It is a global issue and I suspect there are nasty surprises on the horizon.


It doesn't though, does it. r*SSia brings nothing to the world except brutality and ridiculous 'libertarian' wild west capitalism where criminals thrive and the poor die.


On this we agree.

Interesting.


Back to what, though?

wah wah waaaaahhh the west we promised to bury was meeeaaaan to us!!!!! waah waaah waaah!

We have an idea of Russkiy Mir, or Russian World, as you may have heard about.

It's unlike anything that the Brits or Americans can really relate to... It's an idea of a certain geographic continuum of places that are "Russian" in spirit.

It means:

1) People that speak Russian
2) People that watch Russian TV, listen to Russian radio, and read Russian books.
3) People that feel Russian

We think it makes everyone richer. Because:

1) Russian is your window unto the world. No one will read a dissertation written in Uzbek, or watch a movie made in Moldovan.

2) Our fathers and grandfathers bled together. Let's keep our friendly union intact - to honor their sacrifice.

3) We can be great together. We will once again feel proud of our passport. Just as no one wants to mess with Americans, even an obnoxious tourist, so we want no one to dare touch Russians anywhere in the world.

4) Together we can have our voices heard, and shape the life of this planet.

Russia is an empire, but an empire unlike others that existed. Empire is really at the heart of our national project.

Do you think Ukrainians feel r*SSian?

A very large part do.

Us attacking their country, has of course forced many to modify their outlooks....

However, I hope this is temporary. After all, it happened in the past. We reabsorbed wayward Ukrainians more than once.

Somehow, they always found a way to forgive us.

I could be wrong, but I may have been the very first PF poster to have brought this up...I know, I know, I'm really really smart and perceptive. 😁


Yeah, kinda makes your neighbors a tad bit nervous.

Ukrainians, even those that only speak russian, do not feel russian.... so get out of their country.


The age of empires is over..... try to catch up to the 21st century.... now is the age of national free association....

And of course a much larger part don't, and in a democracy, it's down to the majority,


Best not to do nowadays.


I've a strong feeling that it isn't.

I see that another orc 'colonel' has been torturing Ukrainian civilians.

Not a great idea...

They would not be nervous, if they did not see the appeal in our idea or the strength of our combined arms.

We have the will to carry this thing through to its necessary conclusion.

Can't say the same about you.

What's the appeal of living in garbage while a government you're not allowed to criticize steals everything?

What's the appeal of having a government you have no hope of replacing?

the russian world appeals to the extremely infantile who want to be fed and taken care of and not make decisions and it appeals to predators who tell sweet lies to the gullible peasants while stealing from them....

I'll believe the idea of appeal when most of russia doesn't like like garbage heap

Ahahahaha...

:) I suppose not, but that's the Catch-22.

And, it takes more than arms to maintain an enduring Mir...you need economics and an attractive way of life.


Hmmm....there may be some unfortunate truth to that. We've been watered down. But, then again,!it seemed pretty grim in the 70's, and then...BAM...we recaptured the shine. Question now is has the dilution made it to where we are incapable to muster a shine. I think the whole Trump phenomenon is due to the shine wanting to breakthrough all of the grime and muck. So, I remain hopeful.

Back to the Soviet Union/RuSSian Empire. And as we can see in Ukraine, RuSSians decided to do it by force (so nothing new).


It doesn't look like they did.


And those poor RuSSians don't seem to understand why... Actually, they don't understand many things. And that's scary.

Just look at Bobko. He thinks that one of the reasons for RuSSia's neighbours feeling "a tad bit nervous" is the "appeal" of a potential RuSSian empire. How ignorant, lacking empathy and plain stupid you have to be to think that?

Soviet Union and Russian Empire are two different things, no? Soviets were commies, the imperalists no necessarily commies.


I don't think he was saying that. More like neighbors not grasping the appeal of a potential Russian Empire. I'm probably splitting hairs.

The tsarist empire, the soviet union and the russian federation are all one thing with the same structures, only the borders and slogans changed.

It's always been enriching a clique at the top while crushing the serfs/masses/citizens and using military aggression to legitimize it's rotten rule.

@AntV, sweet summer child, I see you haven't discussed with RuSSians much... ;D I guess you don't know how confused and messed up RuSSians are.


Eh, how to explain this to you... :)))


I think he actually might, but may Bobko explain what he meant :)

@mafketis

Hmm..you might have a point. Has a convincing ring to it.

What says you Bobko? Would you care to counterpoint?

@mafketis

If it's so rotten, what explains its enduring ability to stay relevant - even when all the economic and demographic data dictate that it should be a minnow of no consequence?

Even a professional Russophobe like you, can admit that there's something mystical to Russia's staying power?

Gas station, orcs, Angola with nukes, ignorant serfs...

Why do these things give you so many problems? Easy enough to ignore - one would think.

A... (why the hell does it keep posting three dots when I type awwwww?)


Just start explaining. Let's see if I can grasp it.

If I'm a professional then why aren't I getting paid?


A certain kind of mental illness that makes sufferers think they're important if they cause problems for others....

Ah... so we do cause problems for you?!

My mischievous Russian heart is content.

I ruined someone's day - a day well lived.

People say this life isn't a zero sum game... I beg to differ. I have a sudden feeling of great improvement to my well being after reading of Mafketis' admission that I made his life worse.

I may not have a working toilet, or an ability to influence the political life of my country - but goddamn am I happy!

there is no such thing as Moldovan: the majority of Moldovans speak Romanian as their mother tongue

@Gumishu
Thank you.

Moldova is a tripartite country, The Romanian part, the part across the Dniester and also Gaugazia, somewhere people forget.

Moldovan was a soviet invention written in cyrillic (not the earlier romanian cyrillic alphabet but a russian styled cyrillic) and it was officially... terminated earlier this year.

it doesn't change the fact that around 80 per cent of Moldovans speak Romanian on the every day basis

Buncha Romanian fascists on this server.

I'm not sure if I entirely grasp it myself, but OK...

The Soviet Union was a prolongation of the RuSSian Empire, just with different ideology. These days RuSSians worship and are nostalgic for both and they combine it somehow in their twisted minds... A good example of that "mindf*ck" is the Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces with Soviet symbols. They even planned to put a mosaic depicting Stalin there, but they scrapped it in the end, apparently:

rp.pl/swiat/art8956181-glowna-cerkiew-rosyjskiej-armii-bez-putina-ale-z-sierpem-i-mlotem

The Romanovs, who were murdered by Bolsheviks, were canonized by the RuSSian Orthodox Church and are considered martyrs... But, at the same time, RuSSians built a big church with the hammer and sickle... As we say: "Only in RuSSia"...


I think this forum allows only two "w" in "aww" from what I've noticed... ;D


Yes, basically. It's just RuSSian imperialism in different disguise every time.

Nor does it change the fact that there's a distinct Moldavian identity and that the Gagauz nation. whose homeland in in Moldova speak a language from an entirely different family.

Incidentally, the Gagauz were generally pro-Soviet however this may have changed.