Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

The more, the merrier.
For the fish which can play hide and seek in another Russian made underwater playground. :)):)


Yes, I know, I am always repeating that old joke about Soviet fastest watches in the world. hahahaha buhahahaha
But I can`t help it the joke amuses me so much.
Will you forgive me????

Russians killed less innocent Ukrainians in 600 days, then the Jews killed Arabs within a single month.

When can I expect Israel's foreign exchange reserves to be frozen, and for Coca Cola to pull out of the country?

I'm yet to see any articles in the press, that argue that Bibi Netanyahu is Hitler's new incarnation. Why is this?

I'm so confused.

Serbia is a country caught in the middle of the conflict between Nato and Russia over the war in Ukraine.
Serbia knows all too well what NATO aggression looks like.
Now 60 days into this war, Clayton Morris visits Serbia to see what the people of Belgrade think of this conflict.

Western leaders know Ukrainians steal their money - Kremlin
Kiev's backers are getting tired of keeping the country afloat, Dmitry Peskov has said

It's more like a giant money laundering operation. The leaders of the West get their cut. The taxpayers in the Collective West are the ones being looted.

But, to PF Russia-hating morons, even if only one dollar per hundred - 99 being stolen - ends up buying ammo to kill "orcs" all is peachy fine.

This is the level of imbecility we are dealing with here...

Great article really. It goes into better depth regarding what I have been saying for months. I would go further to say that the western model of warfare, towing cannons around and using tanks along with other artillery is outdated. Weapons innovation, as well as real military buildup is needed. Spending all of this money on Ukraine and Israel is not in the long term interests of the US or Europe.It will take years for Russia to recover now. The threat of a major land war in Europe after Ukraine has been pushed down the road quite a bit. Let the middle east wipe each other out. Israel is more of a threat to use nukes than Russia is. This all said, I dont think anyone is dumb enough to attack the US on its own soil unless its and end of the world scenario.

Finishing what they started? The US is not obligated to help Ukraine at all. It is not obligated to do anything, and has done more than any other nation. Ukraine asks and asks. I will always help my neighbor with food and anything else within reason, until it effects my home, and once that happens, the help ends. That is just rational thinking. To give something to a neighbor that my family would need would just be stupid. Not to mention, in the case of Ukraine, they are not a neighbor to the US. Poland has done a lot of heavy lifting for Ukraine along with the US.

Now you have Z inviting Trump to visit Ukraine to show ending the war is not easy. The Deputy PM saying that Ukraine doesnt want a "sympathy vote" on joining the EU. How about the US saying to Ukraine that they need to negotiate, and building up US bases in Poland? Build bases in Latvia? Really build up and secure the NATO lines? Now thats an investment in security that protects allies that are legally bound to the US. That makes sense, and that is something American people can get behind. Ukraine needs to stop telling the west what it needs to do, because the west 'needs" to worry about itself long term. A year from now, a new President Elect will be waiting to walk into the White House, and this war will be over, or he will end it. There is an expiration date on everything.

Here's the difference between Ukraine and russia....

yesterday

Ukraine attacked a military target in occupied Ukrainian territory.

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1721263647463227675

russia attacked an art gallery in Odesa

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1721437612768960811

Ukraine = civilization

russia = barbarism

All the rest is fancy justification.... you're on the side of civilization or hangning back with the savages.

Indeed, the Ivans are relentless in attacking civilian targets.

So how many civilians did relentless Ivan kill so far?

No on knows... they've found mass graves and torture chambers in liberated areas and they began building on top of graves of civilians in Mariupol....

But you don't care about civilians....

If a country chooses to take a lead, they have to do it properly, not in some half-assed way.

When you walk into a problem and get involved in that problem, you can't walk away from it half way through and retain honour.

@jon357

When you give a country over one hundred billion dollars, you have given more than enough. The facts are that Ukraine is running out of men who are willing to fight, not just running out of ammunition. If you think the US people GAF about what someone's perception of honor is that is thousands of miles away, then you really do not understand the sentiment in the US today. 95% of Americans will never step foot in Europe, and they dont care how Europeans see them. $hitty attitude I agree, but thats the truth. The US owes Ukraine nothing. Ukraine, if everyone remembers, failed to listen to the US for months before the invasion.

Poland should start worrying about Poland, and start doing more to build up its defensive capabilities. Not by way of just buying all these tanks and tech, but by way of recruiting a real army to defend itself. Make it an attractive career for men and women.

I do. All ten of them.


You always make me want to throw up. With this post, more than ever...

Now read slowly, moron...If you offer to pay for a homeless guy's breakfast at McD, it does not mean that you owe anything beyond that breakfast.

If you donate shoes, you are not obligated to include socks.

Got it?

And then if you walk away, you lose any claim to be a superpower or world leader.

If someone had told Maggie Thatcher and Ronnie Reagan that they could neutralise the threat of r*SSia for a trillion pounds, they'd have jumped at it.


Feel free to. Then crawl off and die.

Hey, moron, find me any such claims in the US Constitution, laws, or treaties.

What some drunk a-hole said to another drunk a-hole does not count.

But I know what you mean by "world leader"...World idiot with a bottomless ATM that operates when you enter "stupid" as a security code.

Learn some manners.

The Croatians and others know too well what Serbian aggression looks like.

@jon357
You are completely out of touch with what the US people want. They do not GAF about your opinion, or anyone else's. The US is the only super power, and will remain so until someone not only knocks the US off of being the largest economy in the world, or invades and takes over the country. Neither of these things will happen in any of our lifetimes. Reagan was a spend money at home guy when it came to finance. There is no way he would have spent this money in Ukraine, he would have spent it on building up more nukes and a stronger military in the US.

@PolAmKrakow

I disagree with the Reagan thing, PAK. He spent money everywhere, but most, if not all, to fend off communists and Soviet expansion

Where I think jon is wrong is equating Russia today with communist Russia of the 80's. I doubt Reagan would be see Russia today as he saw Russia back in 70 and 80s. If Ronnie was in office today, Putin's Russia wouldn't be dicking around in Uke right now.

You always come out with stuff like that when you're losing an argument.


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The world is not about what one country wants or doesn't want.

I dunno. He always claimed to be a "friend of the Russian people". The Soviet Union, in Reagan's understanding, was a construct on top of that.

Today the "Russian people" need help, dealing with an issue that is intrinsic to their national survival. We are not communists now, but convinced capitalists. We don't export communism around the world, and we're not arming Cubans and Nicaraguans.

Maybe Reagan's position today would be more like Trump's?

It isn't though, is it...

Why would a strong and independent Ukraine, one aligned with other democratic and prosperous countries, be a threat to r*SSia?

I don't know. How would a strong and independent Mexico, aligned with prosperous China be interpreted in Washington? Probably the same way a strong and independent Cuba, aligned with powerful Russia was interpreted.

Why on Earth would America care about Ukraine, if it was not about "stealing our bride"? It's a million miles away, does no trade with the US, and has not been useful to helping America resolves it's problems in any way (unlike us, who have helped America with intelligence re: terrorism, and in a million other ways).

It's pretty transparent that the only reason America is enamored with this new toy, is because how much frustration it causes for us.

Nothing russia has done or is doing in Ukraine is intrinsic to its national survival, unless by that you mean 'national delusions of importance'....

If russia is so great how does it let this happen...

youtube.com/watch?v=kpFRF1QD9iw

Nothing America has done, or is doing in Iraq/Afghanistan/Kosovo/Vietnam/Korea/Panama/Haiti/Somalia/Yugoslavia/Syria/Libya/Yemen/Colombia/Granada is intrinsic to its national survival, unless by that you mean 'national delusions of importance'...

Nor of course, r*SSia...


Not that r*SSia's current Siberian colonies have a sea border with America's largest state or anything, eh...

Exactly, and that's my point.

It's my belief that Reagan would have handled the post-communist world differently. He wanted to normalize Rus-Am relations-I believe he was speaking from his heart and mind when walking around Red Square in '87/88/89 (whatever the year) he kept saying there should be friendship between our two countries. Unlike Bush, he wasn't a cold war bureaucrat, so he didn't have that baggage.

I wonder if Putin would have ever risen to power if that friendship developed. It's all academic of course. We both effed up. Question, my Russian friend, is does Russia own up to any of its eff ups along the way?


Good question.

Another good question is whether or not Russia will honor its bride's desire for a divorce?

Absolutely and unequivocally - YES. There's so many of them, that I would get tired to list them here.

I'll say more - we are responsible for 95% of what's happening to us now.

However, there is an important difference to note. You guys are the victors, as you never get tired of reminding us. We lost the Cold War, and you won it - even though we were promised there were no losers in this process of us joining the "free world". You defeated our system, and bankrupted us - leaving us in ruins.

The agency was on your side.

We could only react.

You could have helped us sell to our population this idea of us joining the "free world", instead you punished us at every turn and treated us like the poor relatives showing up at Thanksgiving.

Why did you help Poland so much, and you never helped us - but instead tried to sabotage us at every turn?

And, this is what I perceive as one of our major failures: not fully grasping and formulating a policy with the realization of how psychologically wounded your side was. Some dismiss that, but I think it is important. As I'm not so sure treated you as poorly as you perceive, however we did crown ourselves with hubris and often dictated, instead of showing some humility and offering more collaboration.

And, I vehemently agree, we could have helped sell capitalism and the free world much better. It is actually one of the things I believe Reagan would have put at the fore in developing post-commie relations, as it was the core of his Soviet policy. He never called for regime change in his discussions with Gorby, but the benefits of an open society to the Russian people and nation.


I don't know, I can only assume because Poland put its neck on the line to free itself from the Soviet, ie Russian, yoke.

@jon357
When was the last time you actually traveled the US Jon? When you cover as many miles as I do, in the US, then you might have a clue as to the general atmospphere of its citizens. The US is still the only superpower. Thats just a fact. And it is exactly for that reason you and eveyone else wants th US to protect and fund Ukraine so that the EU and Poland do not have to do all the heavy lifiting.

As I have said months ago, the worl needs a strong US and it needs Russia. The world was much better off when we were in the 90's and Russia was attempting to westernize as best as they could. The world is much better off if Ukraine is just another country trying to rise above communisim and develop on their own. Leadership is the problem in ever corner of these questions. Fvcking retards at the helm for every country involved.

It's certainly a message that was heard in Russia. Perhaps... too well. My fellow Russians decided we had had enough of pulling the dead weight of various Ukraines and Uzbekistans, and that we'd all do better if we are free.

If you doubt that it was us Russians who broke up the Soviet Union, simply look at a chronology of who bailed when. Only the three Baltic countries bailed early, but they were always weird.

Now, we're trying to put everything back together, crumb by crumb, because we understand that not only did they not weigh us down, but they were what made us - us.

So the original sin - was Russian hubris.