Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

I don't think Brexit had anything to do with it, just look at the support Hamas is getting in The USA and France.....

Your government created an internal customs border, whats great about that?

I don't see any effort to create an economic partnership with Ukraine other than riding on the coatails of the EU.

Russia can't be defeated on battlefield - Kremlin

Speaking to Russian journalist Pavel Zarubin on Thursday, Peskov stated "it is high time that everyone in Kiev and Washington realized: it's impossible to defeat Russia on the battlefield."

Hey, Peskov, Russia's main problem is here on this forum. Unless you convince PF Russia haters, Russia is doomed.

LOL how can it be impossible ?

Udmurtia has been defeated on the battlefield by pretty much everyone

Japan, Germany, Poland, Finland, Afghan tribesmen, Chechens and now the Ukies

Reasons for this disastrous military history are constant - corruption, poor leadership, poor weapons and of course sozzled soldiers who will start the day with a half liter of moonshine

@mafketis
These are reports coming from Ukraine out of the UK. Ukraine officials commenting on the Russian buildup around Avdiivka in an attempt to surround it. So far attacks have not been successful. I dont dismiss these reports so easily. I also dont dismiss reports of Ukraine enlarging their Dnipro bridgehead. All is not lost for Ukraine, but the Pentagon has reported that ehy only have 1 billion dollars in remaining funding for weapons for Ukraine. Thats about two days worth of fighting. So, something in the US has to happen quickly or these reports will likely start to swing in little Vlads favor.

@PolAmKrakow
The question arises which war is more important for the US, the war with Hamas or the war with russia?

@Alien
I dont think that is the question any longer for the American people. Their question is why are we giving a fvck about either when we have so many problems of our own. This is playing out all over the US. Biden is the lowest rated President in history. 69% of the country believes it is headed in the wrong direction. Only 13% believe it is headed in the right direction and 18% are unsure. Those numbers are disasterous for the US, Ukraine, the EU and Israel. Have you seen the riots and marches in the US in favor of Hamas?

But think about this for Poland and the EU. If the EU does not step up funding and military support where the US is backing off, and Russia wins the war, tens of millions of Ukraine refugees will be heading to the EU including Poland. They will abandon ship so fast no one will be prepared.

So the question arises which is more important, winning the war in Ukraine for the sake of the EU or the sake of Ukraine?

@PolAmKrakow
Europe is helping Ukraine, but is also arming itself. It is obvious that new weapons stay in Europe and old weapons go to Ukraine. This is one of the reasons why it is difficult for Ukraine to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

The problems of the US started during W (esp second term) and ramped up during Obama (a genuinely terrible president - almost everything got worse and worse under him). Trump was, if anything, a bit of a rest, but Biden has speeded it up.

It has nothing to do with Ukraine and stopping aid to Ukraine won't stop it. It's a broad agenda of immiseration of the middle class, and creating a highly stratified society. Both parties are in on it.

The parties use different slogans but the results still stink the same.

I had hopes that Trump's victory would begin a process of realignment, but both parties fought it tooth and nail but both are wedded to the agenda of open borders and disinvesting in education, law enforcement and infrastructure.

@Alien
And the US has depleted its own reserve ammunitions for Ukraine. In the end, Ukraine refugees are not going to flee to the US by the millions, the US has enough to deal with at its southern border. But they will flood the EU if they lose to Russia. So the greater responsibility, with the greater urgency is on the EU.

Lets also keep in mind that Ukraine has not switched over to a complete war time economy. Two thirds of the country goes on with life nearly as usual. Other than the once in a while air raid siren, and missiles once in a while, not much has changed. Talking to people in Lviv, the bars and nightclubs are open, and its business as usual. Why is it that Z has not switched to a full war time economy? Why has Z not engaged in a full mobilization? Why is it that so many men of fighting age are in Krakow?

These are serious questions. Marshall law and Z wont allow elections, though during the Iraq war, they held elections, and durring Vietnam they had elections in the south. Some actions are not in line with what should be happening. And then people wonder alloud about why the US is questioning things?

The Ukrainian constitution does not allow for elections in times of war is what I understand.

That's o.k, most of them will be heading to germany, great social benefits there, as the syrian and all the fake syrians with a 20 usd passport bought in a bazzar in imslamabad. that merkel invited, found out. 1000 euro a week. The ones that will head to poland will link up with family who are already integrated.. But the point is moot, cause like madonna , i've heard it all before, this will become a frozen conflict, stalemate.

@amiga500
I agree. It is all but frozen already. So why are Ukraine and Russia not sitting at a table? The US funding, if there is more, is not going to be in cash any more, it will only be in weapons. Who is going to pay the givernment and all the military? Whjy hasnt Z switched to a war economy and ramped up ammunition production at least? This is not Paris when the funny mustache rolled in and people were still drinking champagne. And as much as I blame the US for not doing enough and doing it earlier, Z has to take some blame too for not going balls out to win.

@mafketis
Elections can be held. Z said he would consider them months ago and just decided against them. I think the problem is that while Ukraine people likely do want to keep fighting Russia, I think many are questioning his leadership now. There is also a question of who would run against him? The obvious platform to run on would be peace negotiations with Russia which would all but guarantee Z lost.

What earthly good do you think that would do? Between 2014 and 2022 Ukraine and russia signed 20 different ceasefire agreements and russia broke every one, sometimes before the ink was dry.

On what basis do you think things will be different if Ukraine is forced into ceding land (rewarding aggression)? russian state media openly says any ceasefire would only be used to rest, rearm and attack again.

Again... how do you make russia honor an agreement? If you have no answer there's no reason for talks....

Well at least he has to take the blame for not getting out of his army greens and putting a politician suit on, about two months ago.

@mafketis
Were any of the Minsk accords taken seriously by Ukraine or the west? No. Merkel admitted as much. Its not only Russia that is at war, and its not only Russia that made it happen. I had been in the Donbas in 2018, 19, 20 and 21. The Russian presence there was strong, but so was the Ukraine presence among the people. It was not as Russia says nor was it as Ukraine wanted. When the option is Ukraine completely collapsing, or making a deal, you make a deal or you deserve to be shot. You live to fight another day. Fighting to the last Ukraine soldier or Russian soldier is just fvcking stupid.

If it is fighting to the last Ukraine soldier, then why the fvck doesnt Ukraine announce a full mobilization, and throw everything they have at this? They have crossed the Dnipro now, so that huge issue is solved at least for now. Its easy for us to hope for a Ukraine total win, but thats not happening, they can never get Russia completely out. So why send more men to die when you already know whats to come? To gain a few more kilometers before you sit and talk? Thats fvcking lunacy.

Ehhh, what?

Unlike Ukraine, who nobody gives a f*ck about, Russia is answerable to the Europeans, UN, US, etc.

You would read hundreds of articles about Russia violating this or that ceasefire - if it were true.

Fact of the matter is - between 2014 and 2022, not a single Russian battalion participated in any kind of action in Ukraine.

There was OSCE monitored ceasefire, where LDPR forces regularly exchanged fire with UA forces over a static front line. There were not 20, but hundreds of ceasefire violations. Any time a Ukrainian soldier got drunk, or an LDPR soldier got drunk, they would fire off a few mortar rounds in the other's direction.

Meanwhile, the Russians - like idiots - would keep going to different tea parties with Frau Merkel and M. Sarcozy - where we fruitlessly discussed how to get out of this nightmare.

But you did mass artillery/massacre the fleeing Ukranian Army/Volunteer Battalions from just across the border in 2014, after a ceasefire was signed. Just like in Chechnya you can never teach a ruski to honorable. Thankfully this sh*thole of a country will be breaking up into several parts in the near medium future.

Their proxies did.


The fake state LDPR.

The ones who with r*SSian equipment and on r*SSia instruction shot down an airliner full of civilian passengers (including children) traveling from The Netherlands.

Surely freezing the current front will satisfy russia's territorial ambitions!!! Peace with honor!!!!

Don't worry.

We spilled so much blood, and spent so much treasure - that selling the current frontlines as a win, will be difficult for Putin.

That's right, let's wait until the front moves a little further east.

You forgot: ...to make a couple of PF Russia haters happy and Z proud.

this is russia you're talking about, he could withdraw entirely from every centimeter of Ukraine and call it a victory and arrest anyone who disagrees.... and you'd try to convince yourself it was true....


the youtube channel I mentioned earlier (russian guy translating russian internet comments about Poland into Polish) has an interesting story...

A russian guy was in Poland and wanted to buy something but his card didn't work and he didn't have enough cash and the cashier let him have for a reduced price (a few zloties less).

Did he appreciate that? No. He thought it was the stupidest thing ever and showed how stupid Poles were and launched into a big fantasy about how if the situation were reversed he'd cheat the Pole for as much as he could.

The thing with wounded narcissists (most russians) is that being nice doesn't help... it just makes them more angry.

I suspect that it may end like that for them.

Possibly after Putler has had an 'accident' and possibly after using a chemical or biological weapon and finding out that the world's response is more robust than they would like.

Throughout history, Poles have always been nice to strangers, which ended with the Teutonic Knights, partitions, and the Holocaust.

...calling their neighbours just "mute" was quite abit rude, though! :)

That was an earlier slav invention (since it's found in other slavic languages).

I have been always nice to strangers, too, but never invited any of them to move in with me.

But not in Russian. They call Germans Germaniec (or something like that). This proves that they have had no contacts with Europe for a long time.