Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Apparently Russians think that certain factors at play in Ukraine are potentially more dangerous to them than increasing Chinese pressure on Siberia. It is for them to judge and decide.


Countries and governments did worse things: mass genocides, ethnic cleansings, dropping atomic bombs on civilians etc.

No more than US pressure on Canada, which I think most people here would describe as solidly sovereign.

Yes, I also think that the Chinese threat to Siberia is slightly exaggerated. Of course, in the long run the demographics can play a part there but I wouldn't expect any openly aggressive Chinese moves against Russia. It's more wishful thinking, by some people in the West, than anything else.

Perhaps an understatement.

Certainly wishful thinking by those that expect Russia to implode at any moment. Maybe, even a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes China tick.

We all heard "What would Jesus do" at least once.

My version of it is:

What would the US do if Russia had as many "peace-loving and independent countries" as military allies South of Rio Grande as the US has West of Russia?

Why is it so damn hard to get an answer to such a simple question without some idiotic wiggle?

It's not such a simple question - nobody can understand what you are talking about. Its like Bulgakov after a bottle of vodka.

I see more and more drone attacks on Udmurtian soil, breakthroughs on the ground in Ukraine and worse Udmurtian morale.

... and last attack on Pskov military airfield (>20 drones, 2 transport planes damaged) probably was launched from Estonia (about 50 km to a border from the place of attack). Investigation and evidence gathering is in process.

Article V may work in reverse, of course. Attack by one of NATO countries may be considered as attack by NATO as a whole...

Correction, 4 planes damaged, one fuel tank was in fire (already extinguished), 12 drones confirmed, probably was more.

"Investigation" just started, but you already know! Amasing! :D

Tell me, Velund:

aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/8/30/airport-in-western-russia-attacked-by-drones-aircraft-damaged-reports

Were those drones also launched from Estonia??:

"Russia's defence ministry said on Wednesday morning that drones were also shot down over the regions of Orlov, Bryansk, Ryazan, Kaluga and the Moscow region surrounding the Russian capital."

Those drones that reached Bryansk were "probably" launched from Belarus or Ukraine, right?? You gotta attack Belarus now, oy! :D ;D Because you attacked Ukraine already, so, you know, it's better to attack Belarus too, just in case! lol


I'm sure the investigation will be as independent, objective and believable as the one concerning Prigozhin's and Utkin's death!




Wow, are you really itching that much for World War III? :D 🤦

Not launched from Estonia - rather they flew over a thousand km of Udmurtia where the air defenses are manned by useless drunk fools

What's left of their air defences, that is.

Things are not going well for r*SSia at all, and we can expect many attempts to distract from that grim (for r*SSia) reality.

Well, a full blown balcanization of Russia would be great.

For whom? Certainly not for Poland. Imagine having to worry not about one Russia but about six or seven of them (each having nuclear weapons!).

No, thank you, but no. :)

I used to think like that, nuclear arsenal distributed among multiple groups would be bad BUT it in Kremlin hands is way more dangerous.

When was the last time Kremlin used nuclear weapons?

Atomic bombs in the hands of many local statelets would be way more dangerous.

Perhaps Pope Francis's recent message to ordinary Russians had this in mind...

That's not who he needs to be talking to... he needs to address propaganda monkeys like Solovyov and Gurulyov who like to threaten the use of nuclear weapons on a weekly, if not daily, basis.....

twitter.com/VladaKnowlton/status/1696749972950327772

A Ukrainian I know (first language russian now switching to Ukrainian) says that russia is descending into a death spiral... to be honest a lot of russian rhetoric and actions remind me of an ant mill.....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_mill

No.


What if if a commies get into power again?

Remind me about the last time any Communist country nuked someone?

So far, it's been only one, very enlightened, very democratic, very liberal country that incinerated hundreds of thousands in a flash of fire (I don't mean Dresden).

But Russians are constantly threatening to use nukes. This means they are the same barbarians or even worse. The US used nukes twice only while barbaric Russians have used the nuke threats dozens of times.

How could a decent person ever live there?

Mikhail Mishustin comes to Putin and nervously suggests to him that they abolish any more of these time zones...
- Why? Putin asked him.
- I can't manage at all! I fly to another city, I call home, and they are all asleep, last time I woke you up at 4 in the morning, and I thought it was evening. I'm calling Biden to congratulate him on his birthday, he says it was yesterday, and the Chinese president Happy New Year, he says it's tomorrow...

- Well, that's all bullshit - Putin tells him.
- Oh, what a b!tch!!! Do you remember when Prigozhin's plane crashed? I'm calling to express my condolences to them, the man says he hasn't even taken off yet...

Have you ever heard of this little thing called the Cold War? America probably threatened us with nuclear war at least a few hundred times (meaning in speeches by public officials, and over secret channels).

Between 1945 and until 1949 (when the American monopoly on nukes was broken, and much earlier than they expected - by almost a decade), America threatened the Soviet Union with nuclear annihilation in several dozen instances.

Basically, anytime Truman didn't like something the Russians were doing, he wouldn't spend too much time thinking before he would threaten to nuke us.

It's how they forced us to retreat from Iran, and avoid touching Turkey.

Thank god, we got our own nukes, after only just 4 years of American nuclear extortion.

Lucky for Iran or Turkey! Iran's got it's problems but Turkey being reduced to another Uzbekistan or Turkmenostan would be a terrible thing.... and Iran has tremendous potential if they can get rid of the mullahs.... Iran is very much like Poland in the 1980s... everyone knows the current system stinks and can't last but they don't know (yet) how to get out of it.

Neither have any Nazi country. What could be expected from commie-nazi Russia?
It's always pro-Putin crowd speaking about the possibility of WW3. Why? Because it's a scaremongering tactics. Russians and their lackeys have no other arguments.

No moral argument - because they are warmongering as*sholes invading another country.
No economic argument - because the West needs nothing from Russia except for raw materials. And is fixing the situation with raw materials right now.

They used to try and scare the West with the might of the Russian military. "We may repeat" Russians used to say, which was intended to remind Westerners of the Soviet push to Berlin in the years 1943-45. And threaten them with another western offensive - this time against them. But since the Russian army got bogged down in Ukraine, stopped by a military of a much weaker, much poorer country, this threat no longer works. It might have still been effective against the Baltic States, but NATO sent enough soldiers East to repel any such effort.

So what remains for the morally bankrupt, poverty-stricken Russia? The threat of its nuclear arsenal (as long as they're able to fund its serious upkeep). Any effort to counter Russian imperialistic efforts are met with suggestions of using nuclear missiles.

If it was formulated by early communists, those from 30-50s, it may have been more effective. Some of them were true believers, ready to die for the victory of communism. But Russian cleptocrats of today have no strong ideological drive. And Putin himself is one of the main cleptocrats, with a fortune worth billions of $. Such people do not commit nuclear suicide. So the world shrugs and keeps sanctioning Russia to hell and aiding Ukrainians with more and more shiny weaponry.

But what if commie comes to power again?

Never heard of Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Franco, Pinochet or other fascists that had nuclear weapons - so your point is meaningless.

Meanwhile, two large communist countries have had nukes for more than 60 years, and have never used them.

I haven`t heard of it. Proofs, please.

PS. BTW, you owe me one proof about Polish communists` collusion with Soviets during their invasion of Hungary in 1956. Did you forget?? I have been waiting patiently....... and nothing.

The new official point of view in russia, according to the new history textbook was that the 1956 Hungarian revolution was a 'fascist revolt'.... and that it was a mistake for the USSR to withdraw from Warsaw Pact countries because that incited 'anti-Soviet' views.....

dailynewshungary.com/putins-new-history-textbook-says-it-was-a-mistake-to-withdraw-from-hungary-in-1956/

I'm sorry, but I'm shocked you wouldn't believe this. We had a decades-long span of time, where both countries would routinely threaten each other with nuclear annihilation. If you really believe that only the USSR engaged in such diplomacy, I don't think any amount of links I throw here will change your mind.

This is simply a matter of historic record.

As regards Polish collaboration with USSR in suppressing Hungarian revolt, I need to get to my dad's library and find the book in question (Russian, but written post 2000). I'll look at the bibliography and scan for you when I get there.

Yeah, I've been waiting for that too, but I forgot to remind him :)


I don't know about it being new officially, but it defenitely isn't new unofficially. Every pro-Putin RuSSian I've discussed with believed this nonsense. I'm guessing that it was the official Soviet version of events during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and afterwards and it clearly persisted to our times in RuSSia. I guess that shows how little public discussion and education (if any) there has been in RuSSia about what the Soviet Union and the communist rule did to other countries.


I wonder how Orban (and Hungarians, if they ever get to know about this) will like this part lol