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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



mafketis
3 Sep 2023  #1321

Meanwhile... for idiots who think there's a point in negotiating with a russian government...

Wagner fighters being thrown out of hospitals with unfinished treatment and every other guarantee made to them is now being unilaterally rescinded by the russian government....

twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1698060278145945947

Obviously I don't care what happens to stupid Wagner-nazis but again.... you might think you have an agreement with russia.... but you don't.... proven liars worthy of no trust whatsoever....

jon357
3 Sep 2023  #1322

Wagner fighters being thrown out of hospitals with unfinished treatment and every other guarantee made to them is now being unilaterally rescinded by the russian government....

Of course, however it beats being thrown out of windows.

Notice how the orc above is trying to distract from r*SSia's losses and current terminally desperate situation by posting pointless information about details of military service.

At least people in Ukraine aren't setting fire to their own army 'recruitment' offices.

They must think people swallow all the **** they write.

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1323

At least people in Ukraine aren't setting fire to their own army 'recruitment' offices.

No. Instead Zelensky fired every single one of the regional heads for recruitment, because the poor Ukrainians had within a year brought close to a billion dollars in bribes to avoid serving.

First problem: the crooked recruiters didn't kick up.

Second problem: Zelensky's meat quotas were not met.

Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1324

@Bobko, it's so touching that you care about Zelensky's "meat quotas" so much, while not caring about Putin's "meat quotas" at all :))))

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1325

Putin's "meat quotas"

Ukrainian propaganda is so good, that if there were at least a hundred videos of Russians being manhandled in the streets and stuffed into party wagons it would be all over Twitter and Telegram - day in, day out.

Instead, all they can report (on repeat), is on the traditionally anarchical citizens of St. Petersburg torching a recruitment center.

Meanwhile, there are daily videos from Ukraine about people being forced to enlist.

Fact of the matter is, Putin - unlike Zelensky - has still largely not tapped the conscription pool, but has relied more on volunteers.

Perhaps what accounts for this, is that Russian soldiers get a signing bonus larger than what Ukrainian frontline soldiers make in several months. Maybe, it's that the salaries themselves are higher. Perhaps, it's the welfare benefits and scholarships that Putin has cobbled together for veterans. It could even be, that Russians understand the country is in a struggle for its place under the Sun. Who knows?

BTW: Happy with my diligent sourcing for each fact? I knew you would immediately ask for proof, as is your style, so I thought I might save myself time.

Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1326

that if there were at least a hundred videos of Russians being manhandled in the streets and stuffed into party wagons it would be all over Twitter and Telegram

I don't know about now since I wasn't following this stuff lately, but there were plenty of such videos earlier and stories of RuSSian men being mobilised who should never end up in the army. And then Wagner Group recruiting in prisons.

Maybe, it's that the salaries themselves are higher.

In poorer RuSSian republics/regions going into the military (and the police, apparently) is the only viable career option. I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of (i.e. people are so desperate for money, that they're ready to kill and die for them).

Novichok
3 Sep 2023  #1327

In poorer RuSSian republics...

...the dumbest morons are still smarter than SS-ing Polish idiots...

Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1328

@Novichok, are sure about that? You don't die from "SS-ing" on the internet, but you're pretty likely to die if you go into RuSSian military these days. I'd say I'm the winner here :)))

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1329

people are so desperate for money, that they're ready to kill and die for them

You might want to read a bit about the demographic make-up of the US Army, and the lengths they go to, to recruit.

Here's some good articles:

cfr.org/blog/presidents-inbox-recap-us-military-recruiting-crisis?amp

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5704990/

This is what happens in America. What do you expect from toilet-seeking Russians? We are miles behind the US in terms of levels of income.

Uhhhh.... I'm so tired of debating with you. You could simply stop posting, and let me write your posts for you. Just send me your login info. What you write is predictable enough, that I think I could do a good job. If you are not happy with the results, I will happily turn the account over to you again.

Here, a sample from a hypothetical future conversation:

Paulina: Russians are running out of money, and soon their economy will collapse.

Bobko: Russia still has plenty of money, and certainly enough to keep prosecuting its war in Ukraine with adequate levels of funding for some years into the future.

Paulina (but actually Bobko): I'm not sure that's something to be proud of, because we are talking about money that goes towards killing people.

Bobko: You are a genius Paulina, how did I miss this initially?


Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1330

Paulina: Russians are running out of money, and soon their economy will collapse.

Sorry, but that's not my line, I'm not a precog and I don't write such stuff - you must've mistaken me with someone else :)

jon357
3 Sep 2023  #1331

is on the traditionally anarchical citizens of St. Petersburg torching a recruitment center

Dozens burnt down and recruitment officers killed.

has still largely not tapped the conscription pool, but has relied more on volunteers

Rubbish.

And then Wagner Group recruiting in prisons.

Fortunately they, like the overwhelming majority of orcs sent to the front, were killed in gruesome ways sometimes shot from behind by other orcs. The worry is the few that survived, some of them truly appalling individuals and now back in society with little or no monitoring or parole terms. At least they'll kill other orcs, not Ukrainians.

And it's comical to see how r*SSians will do anything to deflect from the fact that t(e course of the war has now turned against them and there is now no going back..

Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1332

What you write is predictable enough

I may yet surprise you, I'm afraid.

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1333

I don't write such stuff

You will write it in the future.

Novichok
3 Sep 2023  #1334

Afraid of what? That verbal crap is in the same category as "I hate to tell you this, but..."

Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1335

You will write it in the future.

So you're the precog now? :D

minorityreport

Novichok
3 Sep 2023  #1336

That debating technique is equivalent to farting to make them leave the room and you declare victory. Why PF allows this crap is hard to understand...

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1337

Rubbish.

Do you read the BBC?

"At the start of the invasion, Russia's President Vladimir Putin promised that conscripts wouldn't take part in active combat. However, there is evidence that at least some conscripts have been deployed to fight in Ukraine on a number of occasions.

The BBC's Russian service has confirmed that at least 57 conscripts have been killed during the past 17 months of invasion."


The BBC managed to find 57 conscripts killed. 57! Some poor kids that got nailed by the Ukrainians somewhere in the rear. Maybe even, conscripts that had signed a contract, but we're still formally counted as conscripts.

That's one trick that is used to get around the promise of not using conscripts. Their officers bombard them with offers to enlist as contract soldiers, which allows them to be sent.

Anyway - my point stands. Ukraine is forcing men to the front like cattle, while Putin has not had to resort to this yet.

mafketis
3 Sep 2023  #1338

utin - unlike Zelensky - has still largely not tapped the conscription ***

Cause the last time he did over half a million of the smarter men in the country ran away....

ussian soldiers get

ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!

wives of soldiers from Buryatia appeal to putain to find out what happened to their husbands after the russian military confronted them with 'complete indifference'

twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1698409335498432947

And that's not the first time something like that has happened....

twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1670447101799538689

Do you want to tell them that putain doesn't care how many people (russian or Ukrainian) he gets killed?

the country is in a struggle for its place under the Sun

Do you have any self-awareness whatsoever? What kind of place under the Sun will russia achieve by killing off or driving away a generation of young men?

What kind of place in the sun do you imagine russia will achieve by killing civilians wholesale or commiting genocide?

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1579820810751324160

russia is busy earning the scorn and hatred of the better educated half of the world.... with good reason because the country has sunk into total depravity....

Novichok
3 Sep 2023  #1339

Ukraine is forcing men to the front like cattle,

...but as long as it is for "freedom and democracy"...

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1340

russia is busy earning the scorn and hatred of the better educated half of the world....

Heil Hitler!

Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1341

The BBC managed to find 57 conscripts killed.

Oh, give me a break! lol:

"BBC confirms death of over 16,000 Russians in war: large increase in February again"

pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/3/7391935/

"Generally, we were able to confirm the death of 16,071 Russian soldiers. A third of all these losses includes people who were not associated with the army before the invasion - volunteers, conscripts, prisoners and newly recruited PMC personnel.

We rely only on confirmed reports of deaths, so the data collected does not reflect the actual level of losses."

Novichok
3 Sep 2023  #1342

...the better educated half of the world....
Better educated half insists that men can get pregnant. Mongols and I know better...

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1343

Oh, give me a break!

I'm offering you not just a break, but a whole vacation from PF. When you return, you will see that under my good stewardship your social credit here would have skyrocketed.

Now, give me that login info.

jon357
3 Sep 2023  #1344

Their officers bombard them with offers to enlist as contract soldiers, which allows them to be sent.

Quiet, sending them to the slaughter like the 120,000 + orc dead and at least as many maimed.

the last time he did over half a million of the smarter men in the country ran

Sooner or later there'll be the phenomenon of washed up orcs who fled, without a legal right to be where they are, without work and without access to funds.

Paulina
3 Sep 2023  #1345

while Putin has not had to resort to this yet.

So, according to you, all those men fleeing abroad from mobilisation in RuSSia were just seeing things and were a tad paranoid? :D
And Wagner Group recruiting in prisons didn't happen?

GefreiterKania
3 Sep 2023  #1346

the country has sunk into total depravity....

Since Adam's sin the entire world has sunk into total depravity, if we are to believe John Calvin. He was a heretic though.

Heil Hitler!

What? I've been away for a couple of hours and they managed to turn you into a nazi? I underestimated PF's corrupting power!

pawian
3 Sep 2023  #1347

Heil Hitler!

Yes, Nazism is quite popular in Russia. Those top Wagner scum recently eliminated by Putin were admirers of SS etc.
AmaSSing that you are now putting on their shoes.... :):):)

Bobko
3 Sep 2023  #1348

those men fleeing abroad from mobilisation in RuSSia were just seeing things and were a tad paranoid?

You need to learn how to read, and also how to understand what you have read.

Also, half a million Russians fleeing mobilization is ok. Apparently a couple million Ukrainians moved in at the same time. I won't depress you with statistics regarding how many Ukrainian men have fled since last February.

I've been away for a couple of hours and they managed to turn you into a nazi?

I'm sorry, I have a nervous tic as a reaction to Maf's posts...

pawian
3 Sep 2023  #1349

I have a nervous tic

No, it was a Freudian slip, our Nazi Russ darling. hahahaha

mafketis
3 Sep 2023  #1350

a nervous tic as a reaction to Maf's posts...

I'm an exorcist that sees the demon inside and calls it out!


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