Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

This board has about 10 active and another 10 semi-active users. Plus maybe 15 occasional users and about 45 readers. 80 people - half of a rifle company.

Even if you managed to convince everyone here to join the Russian army, it still wouldn't change anything. PF's two platoons would be wiped out in a couple of days. Perhaps someone would make a telegram or yt video of our deaths, with nice background music.

And then Novi would be here on an empty forum talking to himself (they wouldn't draft him, as he's a bit too old even for Sanitarnyje Wojska).

Do we really want that? So maybe it's for the better that nobody here has such persuasive power. ;)

A German spook is being prosecuted for passing secrets to the orcs. He could face life imprisonment.

Carsten Linke (the German media don't publish surnames in criminal cases for some reason; they just call him Carsten L) apparently had access to information from other countries' intelligence agencies and was passing secrets to r*SSia, including Wagner Geoup. His accomplice is called Arthur Eller and was arrested in America.

Many Ukrainians may have died as a result of his treason.. The information he passed on to r*SSia included the location of HIMARS systems. Apparently he had two mistresses and was compromised by r*SSia. There is a suggestion that the two spies may have been introduced by individuals in the neo-fascist organisation 'Action for Germany'.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727785
washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/germanys-big-russian-mole-scandal-gets-worse-and-involves-america
insightnews.media/revelations-on-russian-spy-in-germany-and-wests-crackdown-on-moscow-spy-networks/

The spy scandal has been mentioned here before however it's just come to court now. It begs the question of how many other intelligence assets r*SSia has around Europe and elsewhere.

The point really should be that both sides are losing a generation of men for next to nothing. Forget the arguments to reunite with the motherland, and forget the arguments that Ukraine should be restored to 2014 borders. Lets just set those aside for a minute. Hundreds of thosands dead and wounded. More hundreds of thousands directly traumatized on both sides now that attackes are happening in Russia. For what?

Putin on trial? Never going to happen. He goes out feet first one way or another, and thats the only way. Anything else is western dreaming.

The US always has a choice. And when the US decides to end this support, those who thought Vietnam and Afghanistan pull outs were ugly will get a new definition. Imagine a new president in 2025, cutting of all the money and arms in order to spend that money at home. Imagine about 30 days later the absolute route of Ukraine when they run out of ammunition.

Those in the US, on either side of this war will tell you that the American citizen sentiment is dramtically changing. I was in NY a few weeks ago, and it is normally a far left stronghold, not any more. Heading to Boston in a few weeks, and associates are telling me to expect the same. The US is changing, and people want money spent at home. These are just facts of direct observations. Not some MSNBC tag line or the party line out of D.C. Like it or not, as tired of the EU is of American's being ignorant and uncultured visitors, the Americans are tired of defending Europe.

In which case, his henchmen. Either way, there will be war crimes trials.

You overestimate the importance of your country here as well as the likelihood of its elected officials disregarding strategic advice. Isolating themselves from the world would of course lead to them being isolated by others. This is about Ukraine and r*SSia, not domestic politics elsewhere.

I could stop right here feeling well that somebody other than me has brains here...but let me continue...


Did you read this, Russia-hating morons?


Yeah...how about, DC MICC mother fu*ckers?

Memo to all: No sarcasm in this post.

@Novichok

Look Rich - people are arriving at their own conclusions. No need for us to be acerbic.

@Novi From Russia with Love? youtube.com/watch?v=OWMHmTdImSE

I have plenty of subjects other than NATO trying to cut up Russia into smaller pieces to make swallowing each easier.

Yes, what PolAm says sounds commonsensical enough.

But I somehow miss the rants ending with "Happy Gulag bit*ches!". There was something positively donquixotic about them. ;)

Sounds like the bestest wetest sweet dream to me.

They were the best bit.

That was just the iceing on the cake, PAK's a smart cookie jon. (when it's not about ideological economics.)

He has some interesting ideas amid the 'libertarian' nonsense and all the "you don't know what you're talking about" guff.

He's a classical 80s reaganite, and we all give people a chance when they move to a new country, don't we jon?

We try.

It's also good to learn from mistakes, both on a personal level and in terms of world view.

This thread is now about pretty well anything except Ukraine and Poland. I suspect that's something the orcs are happy with.

Yes, I wanted to write something about Poland's aid to Ukraine but I'm busy celebrating Fight Procrastination Day today...

daysoftheyear.com/days/fight-procrastination-day/

... so maybe I'll post something about Ukraine and Poland tomorrow (or rather at the weekend).

. They have a great sense of humour too[/quote]
Yes, the russian missile attack against Kostytianivka was very kind and humorous... especially warm was the food market.....

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1699412856414847406

Sarcasm by definition is a falsehood that expresses the exact opposite to what the author actually knows or believes. Today, with millions convinced that a man can become a woman and get pregnant, the task of spreading the truth is infinitely harder than it was just five years ago. Truth is not advanced in the sea of idiots by sarcasm that is not obvious to the IQ of 70.

Without trying to be patronizing, you are blessed to be in the top 0.1%. Assume that everybody else - especially women - is an idiot and you will be correct 99% of the time. Talking over their heads serves no useful purpose.

Sarcasm can be used against you. I can easily see how one day soon, somebody new will point to one of your posts and say, Even Russians admit that...whatever fits his agenda.

F*ck You Pom. dailykos it is then.

Ukraine needs more air defense, mine clearing, and similar enabling capabilities. Western assistance over the past 18 months has enabled Ukraine, but it has also limited Ukraine's options, resulting in undertrained units having to go up against a well-prepared defense without the benefit of air support. However, the challenges of this are not only due to capability and capacity shortcomings. The Ukrainian military continues to struggle with scaling offensive operations, and conducting combined arms operations at the battalion level and above, with most attacks being at the level of a platoon or company. These are important areas to address in Western training programs, as we have discussed with our colleagues in various episodes of the War on the Rocks podcast and the Russia Contingency.

Just put it off for a while.

To be clear... most of the lack of gratitude is directly related to a) countries promising help that never materializes and b) consistent refusal to give what's necessary until the west finally realizes it (long after Ukrainians have repeatedly made the case, like air support.... expecting rapid progress in the counteroffensive without proper air support is insane) now... months and months (during which many russian atrocities have killed many innocent Ukrainian civilians) they're talking about training on F-16s....

Don't make me love you less ... Get some good p0rn to keep it going...

The US desperately needs a boogeyman. Today, it's Russia and Putin. Without them, how do you justify ripping off US taxpayers to the tune of 1 trillion bucks every fu*cking year as a "defense budget" that is 10 times bigger than Russia's and 4 times that of China?

Why would we need tanks and artillery without Russia? As an employment program? Or bribery?


Western training programs should teach Western border guards how to repel the "refugee" invasions. Those are a lot more deadly to the Western "democracies" than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao ever were...

You are very correct, but the same could have been said about nazi germany. And someone invading Polands neighbour (ie USA good friend) is a very good reason to get your war on.


Mao killed 50 million people, how many people at the border killed?

The US is not in Europe. Unfortunately, we are connected to Mexico but they are too stupid to design a tank so we are safe.


Killings are easy to get over. A slow death by a million cuts is not.
Mao didn't come to the US to kill Americans. Those who died in Asia asked for it.

LMFAO Really? Ukraine would be under complete Russian control right now if not for US training Ukraine soldiers after 2014 and spending 110 Billion on this war. Russia would already be working on some other country if not for the US. Who TF is going to make up for the US spending and equipment? Germany? France? Italy? Or some group of Martian oligarchs?

Again, I want Raussi to lose. I dont want the Russian people to suffer any more than they have for the last century and a half. Putin needs to fall off a balcony or get food sick to a point where he sh1ts out his bowels. Dont care how, he simply has to go, and not for Ukraine sake, but for russia's sake.

All this said, Z (compliments of Novi) has been completely ungrateful in the eyes of many in the US and Canada. He is wearing out the patience of people in North America, and that is a problem for Ukraine. Again, just observing the facts, Ukraine is running out of time to make a big move. It looks like there has been some good progress lately, but they need at least 35 more miles of progress and that, by the pace now, is going to take twelve more months of straight through fighing. Odds are 50/50 at this point in my opinion.

There you go again. Perhaps you'd do well to learn some restraint. It would make life less bad for you.


So you say. Remember Europe is the focus here.it is not your country's back yard.


It's not up to 'the people' there whose wellbeing is so inconsequential to their government that they don't even have a health system, proper annual leave, proper m maternity or paternity leave or even a right to a passport.

And remember, the Pentagon very well knows its best interests and that the danger of isolating themselves from the biggest conflict in the world is that they too would be isolated with all international links breaking down.

Since you are on the roll (I mean this as a positive thing) what would Russian losing be like in your opinion? Japanese surrender or Korean armistice?

Do you include Russia returning C, D, and L to Ukraine in "lose"? I am really curious... if you have time...

The shift from "happy gulag bit*ches!" to "odds are 50/50" is quite shocking. Whatever next? "Happy gulag khokhols!"??? ;)

But jokes aside, it's good to see you adopting a more balanced aporoach, PolAm.

But since you brought up all the economic benefits, you don't deny that a quasi-war economy benefits your poverty ridden, healthcare lacking country, esp when you're in competition with china for a future war? Time to ramp up all that artillery and drone production. After all the with the upcoming elections the plebs might realise that money is not real, and it just flows off a tap when needed, and we can't have that can we.. they just might think you can't die of heart disease without afordable healthcare..

After all, what a Ukrainian lives when balanced against good relations with russia?