Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

And meanwhile, today they bombed a street market (strategic turnips?) and a child was killed and 36 people badly injured.

I already posted a film and no one cares.... so.... there's that....

Here are some stills for people to ignore while they complain about loud, ungrateful Ukrainians...

twitter.com/InsiderEng/status/1699459574825193557twitter.com/InsiderEng/status/1699459574825193557

I feel the same,

They'd rather rabbit on about 'Slavic brotherhood' or witter on pointlessly about trumpet, DeSantis and others and get taken in by orc attempts at deflection than face the horrors that are happening within driving distance.


I hope everyone who reads this looks at those images.

If they can't see it from that link (didn't open for me) here's another to the same page: twitter.com/InsiderEng

Don't be silly. All I said was that the Russian people I've met over the years were superficially 'nice'. I'm not an idiot. I know quite well that people are not always what they appear to be or indeed not only what they appear to be. Once you scratch below the surface you can find something else, quite different. Equally, not all Russian people can be that morally bereft. There are a few I'm sure who are as horrified as they should be by this war. But on the whole, collectively, as a society, they are a lost cause.

I would also remind you that I said nothing justifies Russia's actions in Ukraine. Their invasion of Ukraine is wrong, wrong, wrong.

As to Zelensky's apparent arrogance, I understand that when you're fighting Russia and they're tearing your country apart, you don't feel inclined to conduct a tea party with lace tablemats and dainty diplomacy but the goodwill of ordinary people wears thin after a while and ordinary people are the voters. The governments that give Ukraine what it needs will stop giving if the voters turn against them. It's a simple fact that diplomacy is part of political life and you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I have a feeling that good relations of Ukraine with Russia might have saved quite a few Ukrainian (and Russian) lives, no?

Good relations of everyone with everyone is definitely my thing, as I like nothing better than peace, love and understanding in the world (especially among Slavic people).

However, if my desire for world love, peace and understanding cannot be satisfied, for whatever reason, then the next best thing that I care about is the well-being of Poland. The best scenario for Poland in this war is a hard-fought draw with:

a) Russia being weakened enough not to be able to threaten Poland for at least 10 years (by that time we should be more than ready to fight a successful defensive campaign if need be), but not enough to cause massive destabilisation in our part of the world and allow nuclear weapons to fall into the hands of many local statelets into which, as it is a wish of some people here, Russia could break up into.

b) Ukraine being weakened enough not to be able to threaten Poland, ever dream of "regaining" Zakerzonia, or be a serious rival for us (as they would like to be according to their own words). Also, if Ukraine is only a moderate success in the future, there is a chance that most of the hard-working Ukrainian men and good-looking Ukrainian women will stay in Poland permanently, adding some eastern cossack wildness to our gene pool. Result for Poland: bigger population, greater GDP, less threat from the east, stronger position in NATO.

A relatively weak Russia, again selling us cheap energy, and relatively weak Ukraine - not being able to exercise too many of their "turbo" foreign policies towards us - would be a rather good solution for Poland. And it's actually happening. Too bad that it's costing so many people their lives.

All Poland needs to do now is elect a different, more German-like, government in October and wait. Send a tank here and a howitzer there and wait.

Cynical? Inhumane? A bit motherfuckerish even? Sue me.

I never seriously held it against him. It's his equivalent of my FU a-holes.


My apologies. That was sarcasm but clearly not obvious enough.
The US making artillery and tanks is like Austria making aircraft carriers: Useless in the defense of the US or Austria.

Only China and Russia are on the enemy list in DC. If either attacks the US, it will not be with tanks and artillery. Kursk will not be replayed in Dallas. Our magnificent aircraft carriers would join the Titanic in the first hour of the war. Those are police squad cars - except more expensive.


Even drug smuggling benefits somebody - the DEA and the police included. If you ignore the factory workers, making useless tanks and artillery makes all of us collectively poorer since tanks and artillery, by definition, are supposed to rust away or be destroyed in wars.

No, they are not assuring our safety since we are already safe enough without them.

You are spot on about "poverty-ridden" and confirming what PAK and I wrote on this subject. When the three major US cities look like a scene from Terminator movies, it's time to reflect or have a bloody revolution.

The DC globalist scum liked the one in Kiev so they might even join...

Yeah it's the 99% that gives the one percent a bad rep.....

The thing is, doing my own research, backed by solid knowledge of the social sciences (you may call me Panie Naukowcu Społeczny)... is that russia society, as a whole, is exactly that morally bereft.... not immoral but amoral... uninterested in questions of morality and/or having no understanding of what morality is....

You won't find more than an isolated handful of russians who condemn anything the russian state does, not because they don't care but because no one has told them to care.

Why didn't people protest Prigrozhin in Rostov? No one told them to.

Why did russians on a beach let a pilot drown in plain view? No one told them to rescue him.

That's how it is on many, many issues.... they are fundamentally obedient and apathetic (remember the video of a single policeman chasing 20 or so russians? Would 20 Irish run away from one policeman? 20 Poles?

If putain disappeared tomorrow and replaced by a peacemaker about 99% of those currently cheering on the war would suddenly be against it (and they were always against it and they'll have long complicated justifications for why they didn't do / say anything about it).

A handful of talented authors and composers doesn't make up for that giant..... emptiness at the core of russia. It's an abyss and I'm not interested in falling into it.

It's a fundamentally alien mentality from that of modern Europeans (including Ukrainians, maybe not Belarusians though comparisons are hard to make since there are fewer of them).

Russia will never be too weak to destroy Poland if Russia has a compelling reason.
What Russia haters never mention is that Russia has no compelling reason to invade Poland.

The US is supremely strong but is not planning to invade Canada in spite of the fact that Canadians would like the idea.
We will not invade Canada because we have no reason to invade. Russia feels the same about Poland. I admit I am guessing...

Without being nasty...I would submit that Polish contempt, if not outright hate toward Russia, was a factor in Katyn. Sometimes keeping your negative feelings about the the guy ten times your size is good for your life expectancy. PF Poles tend to forget this bit of wisdom.

Well, I suppose Russia could nuke Poland, but destroying us in any other way is beyond their capabilities (and definitely will be in about 10 years time).


It was Roman Dmowski who said that "Some Poles hate Russia more than they love Poland", and it certainly didn't help in conducting more commonsensical foreign policies towards our eastern neighbours. However, justifying war crimes with mental illness of a minority of fruitcakes is a bit far-fetched.


Four times (not even).

Anyways, we didn't start this war, it wasn't our idea, but if some people insist on continuing it, then forgive me if I don't shed too many tears when the possible result of it for Poland seems quite acceptable.

Sometimes keeping your negative feelings about the the guy ten times your size private is good for your life expectancy.

The combined size and firepower of the USSR vs. Poland when Katyn took place was not 4 to 1.

Even without nukes, Russia will always have enough firepower to turn Poland into an inferno and unlivable hell. The US did that very well in Japan and Germany.

We freak out when the power goes off for more than a couple of hours. No Russian or Chinese invasion was involved...

When Katyń took place, there was no Poland. I thought you meant Russia to Poland today (the size of population).


No.


Maybe Americans do. Poles are used to all kinds of unimaginable sh*t happening to us. Can you imagine losing one third of your population? It happened to Poland (35 million in 1939, 23 million in 1945). The US would have to lose 110 million proportionally.

No, he doesn't. Downplaying the importance of the US isn't going to help with anything.


Yes, this.


I agree 100%. This is also my observation.

@jon357
You sir would do well to refrain from acting as if you are the second coming and all knowing of things US when you dont live there and probably havent been there recently. The Pentagon is about to become under control of a different party and party politics are what rule the day in the USA. You think you know whats going on from CNN and MSNBC? Yet, you spend no time on the ground talking to people in the USA. Hope in one hand and sh1t in the other and see which fills up faster. Less bad for me? FO! Who TF made you the authority on things PF? Restraint? Since when is laughing a wrong when you disagree with someones opinion? Better to laugh than react in a way that is unpleasant.

@Novichok
Losing would be having to retreat to 1992 borders. If I am incorrect on Ukraine recognition year, I apologize. In my opinion, Russia has wasted the last 150 years. Instead of being the worlds greatest power due to its natural resources and other advantages, they have sqandered the future of its people in petty internal power stuggles. While I may come across as a Russia hater, I am a hater of wasted potential, and Russia is the greatest waste of potential in history.

Putin is the definition of whats wrong with Russia. Small people who manipulate themselves into power in order to rob the masses of their birthrights of opportunity. I get it that some Russians think he was something special 20 years ago. Maybe he was, but today he is a joke. He is not intelligent, he is crafty. He is not wise, he is abitious. He is not tactical, he is calculating. All of these things are not the qualities of a leader who can bring a people up, but only those of a control freak who will keep people down in order to enrich himself.

What firepower does it take to keep energy and drinkable water away from Polish consumers?

One broken pipe and the West is deflating like a cheap kiddie ballon. Imagine all Polish ports and railroads shut down. Sure you could rebuild over weeks. Next day...all over again...rinse and repeat...

Russia can produce cruise missiles faster than Poland can rebuild what these missiles can destroy in seconds. But it's all academic talk since Russia really has no reason to attack Poland and beyond.

Russia drew a red line that the US MICC wanted and loves. Finally, we can justify our trillion-dollar "defense budget". Chrismas always comes early to these mother fu*ckers...

Fair enough. You didn't mention NATO retreating to the 1990 borders if the end of the war happens at the negotiating table.

Internally, Russia as a state and the Russian people will never give up C, D, and L unless threatened with immediate nuclear devastation because they lost the ability to strike back. I don't see any other way for Russia to say oops sorry.

If PF reports about Russia's losses in human lives are true, my prediction is even truer. Nobody just walks away with that record...Only in America, we can spend 7 trillion bucks and millions of dead Iraqis and never ask what we got for it. Just another day...

@Novichok
Lets be honest. NATO never has been a threat to invade Russia. Existential threats are bull$hit. NATO, and the idea of freedom is the real threat to Russia, and that freedom is exactly why Putin is afraid of NATO getting close to its borders. Freedom has a way of inciting the people to take power into their own hands. You know, like is happening in the USA right now. Freedom is infectious, fascism like we are seing in the USA and totalitarianism like we see in Russia are what motivate people to fight, and thats what Putin and Biden are both afraid of.

Back on topic though. With all due repsect to Bobko and others with differing opinions, and points of view on Russia, the Russian way simply does not work. It does not do anything for the majority of people, and that sole reason is why it must be stopped.

Yes, that's why I think that building Polish Iron Dome is more important for the time being than getting all the tanks of this world into Poland.

Also, building bunkers. Kyiv has a bigger subway than Warsaw, one of the deepest metro stations in the world and apparently 5000 bunkers. In comparison to this I'm afraid Poland may be in deep doopa.


Because this ain't going to happen lol


Yup, exactly.

I normally don't resort to analogies...so this will be an exception...

If I see a guy with a gun 1000 feet away just standing there, I am OK. Then he starts moving toward me - still with that gun but not pointing it at me...I am still cool.

Then he shoots somebody in Serbia and later in Iraq but not me. Then in 2014, he sets the house next to mine on fire...

That gets my attention enough to burn it to the ground and claim it as my own to make him lose his desire to move in with nasty kids and things that can go boom.

How do you like my story?

...and destructive when left in the leftists' hands. See SF, LA, and now NYC. Those garbage bags and garbage people are "freedom" - the US version. In Moscow, the "totalitarian" Russia probably would not let that happen.

Bad Russians...the creeps love clean and safe subways that look better than the White House.

Yes, that's exactly what RuSSia did.


Yes, as you can see what RuSSia is doing to Ukraine got the attention of all of RuSSia's neighbours and not only theirs. And we react accordingly.


Shit1y and confused as always :)))

Belgian Energy Minister Tinne Van der Straeten has urged the EU to curb imports of Russian gas and wean itself off fossil fuels by 2027, after it was revealed that her country was one of the top importers of Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG).

That made Belgium a Russian ally and a war criminal. I want the ICC to issue an arrest warrant for Belgian Energy Minister Tinne Van der Straeten.

Can anyone find the American dog in Ukraine? I have been looking for that dog since Feb 24, 2022, and can't locate it. Maybe because we never had it there...

@Novichok
Reverse your analogy now. Some guy has a gun, he has already killed a bunch of my neighbors, so I am loading up on ammo and weapons. I am not going in to help my neighbor, but I am preparing for the future. This is the case of Poland, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia and others. The question then becomes when is Russia getting too close before those countries strike?

Yes, I know, the nuclear deterent. But its not really effective any more is it? Do any of us honestly believe Russia or NATO have been honest about its nukes? I would bet a pretty large sum of money that there are nukes in European countries we are not aware of. Yes, NATO is a snake. I know. So is Russia, putting military bases in South America now.

As a side note I want the ICC to issue an arrest warrant for the WHO and WEF, but that isn't about to happen either. We have about 16 more months to discuss and argue this war. The war that cured the first COVID pandemic. Lets hope it lasts long enough to hold off the second COVID pandemic.

It's useless. The US had nukes while in Vietnam and still lost the war. The USSR had nukes while in Afghanistan and lost. It's like me buying a howitzer for self-protection.


Getting armed is one thing. Not insulting Russia - an activity not known to have an upside - is another.

What's the downside Mr Always-give-in-to-bullies?

What a lovely night. But not of course for the r*SSians...

@Novichok
I think you over estimate the Russian fear in Europe. No one is really afraid any more. The Russian army is destroyed. Nukes from Russia are not a realistic possibility. The nuclear fallout would travel all over Russia and the US wouldnt even need to respond. The fear should be coming from Russia, because if the EU ever formed a joint army and navy, Russia would be in deep trouble.

The US has accomplished the main goal of weakening Russia through Ukraine. The MIC will be producing weapons for decades for all the orders it has. Perfect time for a republican to take office and say go ahead and defend yourselves now. That, or a new pandemic to keep all the sheep in line.

Well, that's why I said individuals can be superficially nice but as a society they're a lost cause. I agree with your summing up of Russia. You know I've read quite a few books in my time and Masha Gessen's book The Future is History is one of them. Now before reading it, I knew Russia's calm acceptance of paedophilia as a normal part of life. A twenty year old guy having sex with an eleven year old girl doesn't seem to be a big deal for them but I was somewhat taken aback at five year old boys performing oral sex on older boys as an unexceptional part of life. How any sane person can be an apologist for Putin and Russia is beyond me.

But US base in Poland and direct threat of using weapons against Russia by a third party may become such reason.

As US politicians told us, we live not by international laws anymore, it is "rule-based world". And one of permanent rules - when there is a strong threat, decisions are not made by judges or parliamentarians but by vigilance committees.