Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Russia doesn't give a fu*ck about F and S.

U is a totally different matter. If don't know why it's your problem. No, I will not waste my time explaining again.

I did notice how you hopped over:

How would the US feel if the Chinese and Russian warships came to visit the Gulf of Mexico?

West is fu*cked one way or the other...Quoting:

The real issue is that NATO, which is currently engaged in a proxy War with Russia, is facing a 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' scenario regarding its growing military involvement in Ukraine.

If the US-led bloc escalates further as defeat looms, it could likely lead to direct confrontation with Russia.

If it doesn't, its proxy will collapse and leave Russia victorious, a fate once utterly unthinkable in Brussels, Washington, and London, but now becoming a nightmarish reality.

That would be funny except for those 500,000 dead men and that Z-P still 0 for those Ukrainians who are not dead yet.

Guys, they are using you..." Freedom and democracy" are just a bs line.

For that missing flag insult at the US Open, I hope Russia will kill as many NATO "volunteers" as possible. If you have to choose between Ukrainians and NATO scum, kill NATO a-holes first.

Ukrainians are your brothers so go easy with them.

There are no NATO volunteers. Just private brave individuals who want to help in a more tangible way than sitting in their basements on their laptops spouting about transsexuals

So, Russians in Donbass in 2014 wasn't "private brave individuals" by definition, but current Polish army servicemens "on a vacation" is "private brave individuals" and nothing else?

No - they were paid (badly) by the Udmurtian state, looted at will and continue to defecate in the gardens and parks of Donetsk that Putler sent them to protect

Of course you despise these volunteers - they show up paid trolls as being worthless cowards who are desperate to avoid combat

Nice work Bruv!


Their usual modus operandi is South America, but yes, very easy to say i was born in xx european country, but i grew up in xx european country. (esp Belgium, Austria the usual places)

wikipedia, a great power is "a sovereign state that is recognized as having the ability and expertise to exert its influence on a global scale"

great powers "characteristically possess military and economic strength, as well as diplomatic and soft power influence"

russia doesn't really have any soft power now....

here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power

They have four different ratings of soft power and russia is not in the top ten anywhere....

Soft power means that you're listened to and/or considered because people like you. It might come from things like

-recognized role in peace keeping (russia burns out here because it's military uber alles approach)

-cultural reach (russia burns out here because it hasn't produced any worthwhile culture in how many decades? only russians like pushkin and shaman is not going to dislodge K-pop anytime soon....

-lifestyle mystique (who wants to live in Khrushchevka getting blackout drunk every day?)

-consideration of hard power (military and money) here russia has blown it... exposed it's military as weak and disorganized and has largely been shut out of world finance which is why it's throwing temper tantrums about the grain deal (which Ukraine no longer needs and now russia does and russia is getting p\ssed on by Turkey of all countries).

Again, basically the invasion was the stupidest possible choice... a great power would have built up Donbas and made it aluring (russia did the exact opposite) and waited fro Ukraine to come crawling.... now russia has totally ruined its global brand for generations....

russia wants to be a great power but won't do the work (russia's history in a nutshell).

It's the opposite, like the Ottoman Empire we're watching the collapse and fragmentation of a great power, since 1989. Thanks Gorby! You did the world a big favour.

Ok, Russia is not qualified but where is the US here? Military - no. They havent won a single war. Vietnam - lost, Iraq - lost, Afghanistan - lost. Money? They dont have them.


Sure, everybody wants to live on a street in tent.

They have a lot more money than Udmurtia does.

But then so do the Netherlands, Spain, Korea (the rich part, not your starving allies), Philippines and a whole bunch of other medium ranking countries.

@amiga500


And like the Ottoman Empire this decline is a long, non-linear one. Future historians will dispute when this decline began. After the Crimean War? The defeat against the Japanese? 1917? Personally I prefer the interpretation that this has been a great, ultimately futile struggle against the treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

It began with the Industrial revolution - Udmurtia could never handle that as it will always be a feudal society with bad sanitation and awful food

That they have a lot of money i just can agree with you but with minor correction - all these money are the debt. They all negative. And the prosperity of all other countries in the west is based on this debt.

In military aspect the US has nothing to boast as well. They are moving from debacle to another one. Their enterprise in the Ukraine has all chances to have the same result.

Reading your posts is like reading my own. Thanks for improving the average PF IQ so dramatically and so effortlessly.

I have been trying to get Russia haters here to tell me how the US would react if the Chinese navy started patrolling the Gulf of Mexico and Russia formed a military alliance with Cuba, Mexico, and Venezuela. So far it's like talking to a wall.

Could you do me a favor and ask the same question? They like you more and may decide to answer...

And I suppose you want Ukrainians to kill the Cuban "volunteers" too... or is that very different?


Part of being a great power is being able to openly criticize bad policy.... are there any russian governmental policies you're comfortable with openly criticizing?

And while no one moves to the US to be a street person the idea that it's possible to move to the US and obtain a respectable middle class lifestyle.... is that possible in russia?

How many people want to move to the US vs how many people want to move to russia?

How many russians live in the US vs how many Americans live in russia?

Answer those questions honestly and you'll figure out a lot about soft power.

Novi, everyone on the forum loves you... but the fact that they don't take you seriously is another matter.

Speak for yourself....

Then we are all in agreement since I don't take myself seriously or my head would explode already.

Now how about my question...

How would the US react if the Chinese navy started patrolling the Gulf of Mexico and Russia formed a military alliance with Cuba, Mexico, and Venezuela?

Leave your hopes, there is no point of appealing to reasons. I persuade the same here in 2007 to no avail. And now on the verge of extermination of all polish people they will be certainly clinging to their old delusions. They are all hopeless.


Increasingly shrinking middle class in the US? No thanks! Work as a horse to meet ends, become bankrupted because of the health issues, taking Oxicotin coping with the pain and ending up on the street somewhere near Skid Raw? Very good prospect.


I own two flats, car, country house at a lake, i have two kids and two dogs. Medicine is free of charge and had i any serious conditions, the gov, though grudgingly, would pay off my surgery expenses. Am i from the middle class by the standards of American dream?

We already had this problem and it was solved without any bloodshed. It's called diplomacy.

66% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and have only 500 bucks for emergencies. That is not middle class even in Zimbabwe.
And that 70 trillion in personal, corporate, and government debt... Divide it by the number of wealth-producing Americans (10 million?) and we are looking at a financial disaster.

Can you hear that bucket being kicked down the road?

I forgot about education. I got a degree in organic chemistry free of charge and have no burden of student loan AT ALL. My kids are going to a very good municipal school and i have no fear that they might be shot or something like that. I am paying only for additional education and sport sections, but these money are miniscule - 10000 RUB or somewhat 100 USD a month per head.

No. A naval blockade and the threat of nuclear war is not diplomacy. If that was "diplomacy", the world would not stop breathing...
Back to my question...

How would the US react today if the Chinese navy started patrolling the Gulf of Mexico and Russia formed a military alliance with Cuba, Mexico, and Venezuela?

American Empire is doomed. Chris Hedges, Moris Bermann and many other authors said all on this question.

I also obtained higher education in Poland, but despite everything I left communism and live in a normal world.

Hardly unique to r*SSia.

They paid me to go to university (both times) and not a penny in loans or fees. When I did postgraduates course later (one part time, one full time), one was paid for by work and the other was claimed against tax I'd paid.


Whereas the reality is that millions in r*SSia don't even have indoor plumbing.


What are "surgery expenses". Why would there be cost involved in medical treatment?

And meanwhile, Ukraine have retaken their oil drilling platforms in the Black Sea that have been illegally occupied by r*SSia since 2025.
telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/11/ukrainian-forces-retake-strategic-drilling-rigs-crimea/

Ok. It is good for you. But we are talking not about NHS which is, though gradually deteriorating, provides minimum of services cost free. Unlike the UK, the US citizens do not have access to the free of costs medicine. Money they are paying for simple procedures are staggering.


Telegraph? Are you seriously?

It's still excellent and provides services that in r*SSia they can only dream of. I've had a lot to do with medical care over the past year and seen nothing but excellence.

When did you last enter a hospital in the U.K.?


Somewhat conservative in outlook, but independent and much better than most of the sources in this thread?

Interesting that you attempt to attack the source of news rather than address the fact that Ukraine have taken back strategic assets illegally occupied by orcs since 2015.

Such a weak attempt at deflection from the fact that r*SSia loses something, territory or structures, every single day and their forces are now within two miles of Donetsk Airport.

Sew a button on that, orc.