Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

You are thinking in the first half of 20th century categories, BB. Russia won/lost this, Ukraine won/lost that etc. etc. Time to move on to the 21st century and concentrate on people rather than on huge administrative entities called countries. Let the people vote and decide their future. Power to the people and all that.


Is there some rule saying that everybody in the world has to be happy? A girl will choose Jack instead of Mark (or vice versa) or a local population will chose Russia instead of Ukraine (or vice versa), one team will win the world cup and another won't even qualify for the finals. There is always bound to be some disappointment in this vale of tears.


All I am saying is give peace a chance. Referenda seem like a good way to achieve that.

US MICC will not get planned profits, solution is unacceptable, period.

...you are right....but how can I not? Europe was pacified for decades because of massive ethnical cleansing.....for us Germans a sh*it show, but deservedly so, we startet this! (In big part also because of perceived injustices to our ethnic enclaves and peoples after WW1).

With Russia now gaining territory and people would reward such an aggressive war-starting, invading behaviour....frankly I doubt that will be allowed. Russia is strong, but not that strong!

It's hard not to compare times and events...

It could also very well end in the Russians there being asked to leave or to assimilate!

Not in Russian control zones. They won`t allow for a fair referendum, will bring up all kinds of tricks to influence the results. .

US was not able to allow fair elections, you think Russia must follow them blindly? ;)

RAND PAUL TEARS INTO ZELENSKY

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Hmm... you have a point there but are you quite sure that Ukraine was such a lovely, peaceful angel towards their Russian-speaking population in the east? I wouldn't be so sure. Why should Ukrainians be rewarded for their aggressive policies (if even half of what Bobko and Velund wrote here is true) with forced loyalty of those people? Why should those lands forever belong to Ukraine, despite Ukrainian conduct and despite the will of the people there?


It could, but again - were Albanians in Kosovo asked to leave or to assimilate?


The referenda would be internationally controlled. Surely, if Russia is convinced that the people there don't want their land to be a part of Ukraine anymore, then it's in your best interest to organise it all in the fairest way possible.

....frankly only two years back I had no idea about Ukraine....still called it "the Ukraine", heh:)

But what about "Mini me"?

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MOBILIZED RUSSIAN YUGRA BATTALION STORMED UA POSITIONS NEAR DONETSK - AND IT AIN'T PRETTY (18+)

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RUSSIAN 2S4 TYULPAN 240MM MORTAR FORCES DESCRIBE THEIR JOB

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RUSSIAN COMEDIAN COMPARES RUSSIAN, UKRAINIAN, AND AMERICAN NATIONAL ANTHEMS

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And two years ago everyone in Poland still said "na Ukrainie" instead of "w Ukrainie" but now the entire politically correct press is using the latter term. :)

The reason is that the preposition "na" is supposed to signify some sort of post-colonial thinking towards Ukraine. The PC idiots who claim that fail to notice that Poles also say "na Węgrzech" (in Hungary) and we definitely don't have any claims on any part of Hungary. That's why I dislike the PC-brigade - they are ready to gang rape our language for the sake of fighting some imaginary Polish post-colonialism.


For Mini-mes to stop dying this war has to end.

RUSSIAN ISKANDER FLATTENS KHARKOV ARMORED PLANT WHERE UKRAINE WAS DOING REFURBS

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CONGRESSMAN ANSWERS WHETHER HE HAS ANY MONEY FOR ZELENSKY

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....heh:) My google translator gives out the same for both, that program at least sees no difference!

Yeah, and my google translator gives out this: "PC-Brigade sind Fotzen".

Wow!!! :)

If problems happen in US elections, they are accidental and unintended, except Russian influence.
In Russian elections, fixing, rigging and falsifying is normalcy.

@Novichok
Lets be realistic. Russia is not keeping C, D, and L unless they over run all of Ukraine. In a neogtiated peace, Ukraine will give some and so will Russia. My bet it Putin only wants to hold C and thats why Ukraine is going after it so hard. Losing C would destroy Putin. In a negotiated peace, Putin keeps C and Ukraine is neutral or has a neutral zone. Otherwise, we got 16 months to see who can get things done.

Strange. Ukrainska Pravda uses the Facebook Comments plug-in. There may be an issue on your end. When scrolling to the bottom of the article I see 70 comments. Attaching screenshot below.


I see at least one problem with referenda, that has to be resolved before they can take place. The West must commit that it will lift any and all sanctions from Russia, before the actual voting happens. Of course, a ceasefire and some kind of pullback can happen as well, to give the West comfort regarding Russia's sincerity - but the sanctions have to be lifted BEFORE voting.

People are not stupid. If the choice is between living in a Ukraine that is set to become a member of the EU (with all the benefits that promises) and to be supported financially by the collective West through its reconstruction, and living in a Russia that is the most sanctioned country in the world - then I think it is clear how they will vote.

Russia will not entertain such a rigged vote. However, if the people voting know that sanctions from Russia have already been lifted (I think telling them that they WILL be lifted is already a factor that creates uncertainty), then I'm sure the overwhelming majority in the regions in question would choose to be Russian citizens. People will be glad to wave goodbye to corrupt and dysfunctional Ukraine. Through all the relatives that Ukrainians have in Russia, they know that pensions, healthcare, salaries, pretty much everything... is better in Russia.

Basically, people must be choosing between the two countries, with the economic sanctions and passport-related questions outside of the equation. Then, sure, let's stage referenda.

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Interesting.....but seriously? Then what is this war about if not to bring "Russians home"?

That would put their patriotism in a not so good light, wouldn't it?

Not sure I follow?

Are you saying that people must be so desperate to reunite with their historic homeland, that they don't care they are turning their back on numerous economic and travel-related opportunities, and condemning their children to similarly limited opportunities?

People emigrate for much more trivial reasons. I don't think this says anything about lack of patriotism. Normal people care about tangible things. However much they love Russia, I think a majority will vote with their wallet in mind.

Looks like. I see no comments there.


The EU membership and/or generous financial support for Ukraine after the war are by no means certain but I'm quite sure that lifting the sanctions could be arranged, if the West was convinced that both sides are ready for a peaceful solution.

Sorry, but didn't you say that a Russian can be "bought" to vote for Ukraine with EU-money? What does that say about his patriotism?

The same in Poland, except that our genocidal maniacs are called different. E.g, not SS Galizien but NSZ - National Armed Forces.
Cut down on this ridiculous hypocrisy a little, please. :):):)

Isn't that what Putin says? That these people are and always will be Russians, no matter where, and that they belong to Russia....even if that means changing borders forcefully to include them again?

Bobko, maybe here is a big misunderstanding, but isn't that the reason for this war?


If so then the West should just buy a peace! That should be more probable than anything else...

You corroborate what I said about Russians: They won`t allow for a fair referendum, will bring up all kinds of tricks to influence the results. .

I have hope. This week three large Russian entities were delisted from the sanctions list. Also, the UN and Erdogan are working to restore certain Russian banks' access to Swift, remove sanctions on fertilizer and grain producers, and restore access to shipping insurance for Russian ships.

However, if there are to be serious negotiations - it has to be made perfectly clear to Russia how and when sanctions will be removed. It also has to be made legally irreversible. We already saw how Iran wasted 15 years negotiating a deal, and then Trump came into office and trashed it all. Don't have the time or patience to play these games with the West at this point. Easier to continue the war with Ukraine until one of us collapses.

Yes, they are painful, aren`t they?? Good. Western sanctions work slow but certain - that is a Polish saying. :):):)


ohohoho... Wow. Demands as if Russia already took Kyiv. Not so fast, my boy. You are so impatient. hahahaha

How sanctions will be removed ? At the behest of Ukraine, and only once Udmurtia has paid for every broken brick.

When ? On the day Putler takes his seat at the Hague

\Exactly. Fekking imperialist destroyers have to leave and pay.

The West would be really stupid to lift major sanctions. If they do, Russia will start a new war withing several years.

A voice of reason - if you are US MICC. To them, peace is death. War is life. Crude but supported by facts.

Again, not sure I understand.


Well - there you have it. Endless war it is then.

Also, amazing how easily the West has ceded sovereignty to Ukraine. Though it is Western executives and legislatures that impose sanctions, it is apparently only Ukraine that can remove them.

We know that hell will sooner freeze over, than Ukraine will remove sanctions from Russia. So then Westerners eager to resume trade relations with Russia will have to wait an eternity.

How sad.