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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



GefreiterKania
3 Oct 2023  #2881

Ehh, children, children...

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2882

Poles certainly deserve some sort of decimation.

You see?? Your true nature of an imperialist Russian always comes out when needed. You can`t hide it. hahahaha

That is why decent Poles don`t like guys like you. Coz you are a barbarian svoloch and rabid sobaka! Simple, isn`t it?

You know, perhaps I revoke my apology.

HA! A Polish saying - who gives but takes it back, goes to Hell!!!

So, to Hell with you and your putinist buddies! Ha!

PS. Before you go, DFU and your stalinist grandpas, too.

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2883

children...

Yes, thanks for the reminder. Two weeks ago you said you were impressed with the Russian Kwant quality math magazine for kids. Are you aware that Russians do it only coz they need to teach good math to kids so that in future they can become tank or artillery crew members able to operate the aiming mechanisms in their weapons and calculate proper distances for the shells they fire at freedom loving nations?

I bet you didn`t think of it at all. Try to use your brain more, please.

GefreiterKania
3 Oct 2023  #2884

Stalowa Wola Steelworks (they produce Krab howitzers, Rak mortars, and Borsuk IFVs) bought back the part of their factory that was once sold to the Chinese...

biznes.interia.pl/gospodarka/news-huta-stalowa-wola-bedzie-produkowac-wiecej-krabow-prezes-pgz,nId,7064752

... they took over the Chinese company together with its 574 employees and plan to increase the production (especially Krabs).

==

Meanwhile, the first batch of Leopard 2A4s that were damaged on the front have been fixed and tested in Bumar...

geekweek.interia.pl/militaria/news-ukrainskie-leopardy-naprawiane-w-polsce-wracaja-na-front,nId,7062821

... they have already been sent back to the Ukrainian army.

Novichok
3 Oct 2023  #2885

... they have already been sent back to the Ukrainian army.

...which means nothing. Russia is not Albania or Estonia.

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2886

Russia is not Albania or Estonia.

Luckily, it seems it is. :):):)
How long have they waged the war? Provide the exact number of days, please.

Also, provide the exact number of days within which they had planned to conquer Ukraine.
Did you notice I am playing your favourite number game?? Will you respond or run away??? A nice riddle...........
hahahaha

Novichok
3 Oct 2023  #2887

It's actually very simple, dear pawian...Russia wants to bleed Ukraine into submission while killing as few civilians as possible. In a war like this one, holding territory is not the primary objective.

Russia also wants to avoid dragging the US into the war - a concern that is justified by the moronic US actions in the past. When dealing with imbeciles who can send 100,000 Americans to their deaths to fight for "freedom and democracy" 10,000 miles away, one has to be supremely careful.

Russia also knows how short the US attention span is now after the fiasco in Afghanistan and the general mood of dread. PAK brilliantly explained that so I will not get into it.

Bottom line: Russia will outlast everything that matters in this war. Western Europe's abysmal economy included.

Without the US money that war would last a month. So all Russia has to do is wait until the US runs out of patience and Ukraine out of men.

Executing Mr. Z Ceacsescu's style would help.

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2888

killing as few civilians

Bs. Putinists don`t care about such trifles as civilians - neither Ukrainian nor Russian.

holding territory is not the primary objective.

Double bs. Russians are trying to capture whole Eastern Ukraine. They were trying to conquer whole Ukraine before but the resistance proved too strong.

Russia also wants to avoid dragging the US into the war

Triple bs. The Kremlin dreams of dragging the US into the war to have a plausible excuse for losing the war in Ukraine. Kremlin propaganda already claims they are fighting against the West and NATO, not Ukraine.

Russia will outlast everything that matters in this war

Maybe. Will it also outlast the sanctions???? Coz they can last for decades, you know........ hahahahaha

PS. Hey, Novi, where are my fekking numbers???????? Are you troubled with amnesia?????

Novichok
3 Oct 2023  #2889

Bs. Russians don`t care about such trifles as civilians - neither Ukrainian or Russian.

How many civilians did Russia kill in Ukraine?
How many gov buildings in Kiev did Russia destroy? In Baghdad, those were the first targets the US hit.
I know...Russia is too stupid to find Kiev on the map. Is that it?

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2890

How many

A quote from my last post:
PS. Hey, Novi, where are my fekking numbers???????? Are you troubled with amnesia????

hahahahaha

Velund
3 Oct 2023  #2891

who gives but takes it back, goes to Hell!!!

Hm... Probably this is why Ukraine now goes to hell. ;) Neutrality was promised during independency declaration, and even this norm was put to Constitution... But later takes their words back. ;)

mafketis
3 Oct 2023  #2892

Neutrality was promised during independency declaration, and even put this norm to Constitution

cool story bro, links or it didn't happen....

And NATO is neutral... until a member state gets invaded....

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2893

He promised neutrality during independency declaration

While Russians promised to respect Ukraine independence during nuke disarmament negotiations. Ha! Imperialist Russians go to hell first!

even put this norm to Constitution...

We don`t believe you. Prove it.

Novichok
3 Oct 2023  #2894

PS. Hey, Novi, where are my fekking numbers????????

Speak English? What numbers?
Since you are too stupid to comprehend simple English:

From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 13 August 2023, OHCHR recorded 26,384 civilian casualties in the country: 9,444 killed and 16,940 injured.

The US caused or killed 300,000 civilians in Iraq. Duh! 10k vs. 300k...

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2895

What numbers?

That`s what I feared - demention amnesia. :)::)
I want to play your fave game of numbers with you but you strangely prefer to evade it when the numbers are inconvenient. Amassing! :):):)

Novichok
3 Oct 2023  #2896

What numbers do you want?

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2897

I requested them in 2889. To help you realise that you were wrong saying Russia isn`t Albania. Confronted with Ukraine, it seems it is. ):):)

OHCHR recorded

Don`t be so stupid to say such bs. Records taken during the war, when Russians still occupy some parts of Ukraine, are never complete. Wait until the war finishes.

Novichok
3 Oct 2023  #2898

How long have they waged the war? Provide the exact number of days, please.

The war started on Feb 24, 2022. I am not going to count the days for you.

Also, provide the exact number of days within which they had planned to conquer Ukraine.

You or I don't know what they planned.

Back to civilians...

From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 13 August 2023, OHCHR recorded 26,384 civilian casualties in the country: 9,444 killed and 16,940 injured.

In the US, due to the criminal conspiracy between the US government and the invading Latino scum, 100,000 US civilians die every year from fentanyl. I like Russian numbers more...

mafketis
3 Oct 2023  #2899

The war started on Feb 24, 2022.

Actually it started in 2014.... do you _enjoy_ being wrong about everything? Is it your hobby? What happened to your moral judgement that you are.... that way you are....

The US caused or killed 300,000 civilians in Iraq.

You _hate_ Iraqis and consider them trash or human garbage or whatever stupid term you use... you should be jumping for joy at those numbers....

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2900

I am not going to count the days for you.

OK. To keep our fave balance in nature, let me refuse to count any numbers for you, either. :):):)

You or I don't know what they planned.

Yes, we doooo. hahaha The invaders brought parade uniforms with them to put them on for the victory march in Kyiv. Ha!

OHCHR recorded

Don`t be so damn stupid and wait for the war to finish to get a complete figure of Ukr casualties.

pawian
3 Oct 2023  #2901

100,000 US civilians die every year from fentanyl

Didn`t you enjoy the fact in US thread???

Tacitus
3 Oct 2023  #2902

Back to civilians

Pointless to discuss civilian deaths if we do not have numbers for destroyed and occuppied cities like Mariupol and the excess deaths caused by Russian attacks on civilian infrastructure.

And in the end, there is not going to be any distinction between civilian and military deaths in a war of agression. When we talk e.g. about 20m people from the SU who died in WWII, I have never read a distinction of e.g. 5m dead soldiers, 15m civilians (have not checked the true allocation). At this point with everything added together, Putin is most likely responsible for 100k-200k dead Ukrainians with no end in sight.

Crnogorac3
3 Oct 2023  #2903

Wow! Reminds me of Poland at the collapse of communism and a few years afterwards. Impossible that the US got to such a state or stage.

USA very well described in one picture.

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Cargo pants
3 Oct 2023  #2904

LOl You should watch the movie"DIKTATOR"My fav scenes
youtube.com/watch?v=RRR7o8qBm2Q
youtube.com/watch?v=yWeMWD-Yagg
There is one that shows a homeless man walking with a shopping cart and he shouts"There a typical American shopper" LOL

Novichok
4 Oct 2023  #2905

and military deaths in a war of agression.

Who started the war in Iraq?

Velund
4 Oct 2023  #2906

We don`t believe you.

The non-bloc status of the state was proclaimed in the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine adopted by the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR on July 16, 1990. As stated in the section "Foreign and Internal Security", "The Ukrainian SSR solemnly proclaims its intention to become in the future a permanently neutral state not participating in military blocs".

This Declaration became the basis for the Act of Proclamation of Independence of Ukraine, which declared the creation of the independent state of Ukraine, adopted by the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR on August 24, 1991. In a referendum in December of the same year, this act was supported by 90.3% of Ukrainians.

The first constitution of independent Ukraine was adopted only in 1996: it replaced the constitution of the Ukrainian SSR.

The preamble of the new basic law of the country stated that the Verkhovna Rada adopted it, guided by the Act of Proclamation of Independence of Ukraine.

In March 2008, when Viktor Yushchenko was president and Yulia Tymoshenko was head of government, Ukraine sent an official letter of application for a NATO Membership Action Plan, which would start the joining procedure. . That is, it seems that non-bloc status was declared - but actions were taken to show that they were not going to follow it. This was done long before the escalation between Russia and Ukraine. And then Petro Poroshenko in December 2014 submitted to the Verkhovna Rada a bill to abolish Ukraine's non-bloc status, which was later approved by the Parliament of Ukraine.

GefreiterKania
4 Oct 2023  #2907

Petro Poroshenko in December 2014 submitted to the Verkhovna Rada a bill to abolish Ukraine's non-bloc status, which was later approved by the Parliament of Ukraine.

...and he was fully entitled to do it. A democratic country, by the will of its people, can change their constitution.

Whether it was a wise move or not is a different question altogether.

PolAmKrakow
4 Oct 2023  #2908

Wow! Reminds me of Poland at the collapse of communism and a few years afterwards. Impossible that the US got to such a state or stage.

You should do a little research before making that statement. Bridge closures due to safety issues are taking place across the country, but it is not "news" that fits the egenda.

And now it begins. The republicans took out the speaker of the house largely in part because he allowed the funding of Ukraine to be tied to funding in the United States in budget management. The new Republican agenda is single item voting when it somes to funding. This is what will begin the war funding problems in the US. Anyone thinking that in 15 months Ukraine will still be funded for the war effort isnt paying attention to whats really happening in the US.

amiga500
4 Oct 2023  #2909

Anyone thinking that in 15 months Ukraine will still be funded for the war effort isnt paying attention to whats really happening in the US.

So like the Vietcong and Taliban, Russia wins by simply outwilling and outlasting the USA?

GefreiterKania
4 Oct 2023  #2910

Russia wins by simply outwilling and outlasting the USA?

Why not? Apparently Russia cares more about the victory. If the US doesn't care as much, then I suppose Russia will win.


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