Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

No "might" about it.

the US is simply not a reliable ally as it's faltering support for Ukraine shows.

russia just put up a big billboard at the Estonian border saying 'russian borders don't stop anywhere'....

you can try to prepare for russia's future military aggression against NATO (and watch the US find reasons to not defend 'Estonian nazis') or be as prepared as possible to make russia hurt as much as possible when that happens (it will happen... russia is not a rational actor and is saying exactly what it wants to do).

twitter.com/TomasLiptai/status/1731475077600821715

....be fair.....the US wasn't obliged to support non-NATO-far-away Ukraine at all....they did it nonetheless.

Ukraine is for Europe to support and defend and look what a sad figure we make!

Unfortunately.

The world has changed as we need to act accordingly. Every major EU country should have their own nukes - some under the joint EU command, some independently operated. We have the money, we have the know-how, f*ck the non-proliferation treaty - it only made sense in a world where treaties were worth more than average toilet paper, these days they aren't.

And they need to finish the job or the result the world will take is "US allies always lose!" which will not help the US position in the world....


Decades of peace and an assumption that peace and posterity are what all countries want (which is not at all what a lot of different countries want) did that.

@Bratwurst Boy


Yeah, but even though it made perfect strategic sense for them, required no real sacrifice ( if anything the increased purchase of American weapons by other countries offsets all the costs) we can already see the limits of American aid.

Would president Trump send American troops to defend the Baltics?

If its not an Article 5 - case, why should he?

I can understand the USians....why should their mamas cry for their dead sons, killed on far away battle fields....with strong countries, allies, near by, twiddling their thumbs!

I meant in the case of a Russian invasion, a clear Article 5.

The problem is people forget russia's MO (very obvious to those that pay attention).

It won't start with an invasion but small provocations that can sort of be ignored and by the time it can't be they'll have spread disinfo about the target so that people won't know what's going on and west-hating westerners will buy their ridiculous propaganda and ask why the US should fight for Polish nazis?

Agreed....but that MO ends with Ukraine, doesn't it?

The baltic countries would rather deport their remaining Russians than risk something similiar, I guess....they are warned now too!

It is easy to forget how small in terms of population the Baltics are. Lithuania can at the moment mobilize maybe 15k soldiers in short time, and has neither an air force nor tanks. They are now ordering some Leopard 2s, but they must heavily depend on others to defend them against Russia.

Why would they change a winning strategy?

European laws hamper what the Baltic countries can do to bring their unloyal traitorous russian minorities to heel.....

European politicians are even better than American ones at ignoring things that they don't feel like dealing with....

...or some nukes. But when the US no longer fills that place then it becomes our duty!


It's only a winning strategy with a minority to use and abuse. Especially when you build it up as opressed and terrorized by the government...and yourself as liberator!

That should no longer work lacking such a population...

russians not being able to connect the dots, part #4592 in a continuing series....

dot 1 - 85% of companies have staffing problems

dot 2 - russian security forces keep raiding workplaces and dragging men to the enlistment office so they can die in Ukraine...

could there be any connections?????

twitter.com/victoriaslog/status/1731666515039047962

While here: russia is not conservative and at least as committed to the idea of a "great replacement" as any figure in a western conspiracy theory... Who's going to be taking the jobs vacated by russian men? If you said central Asian muslims.... you're right.

One friend tells me this has been a more or less open plan in russia for years, to replace alcoholism-prone lazy russian men with central Asian muslims...

And so it goes....

Russia has apparantly confirmed the death of yet another Russian general.

Zavadsky was the seventh Major General whose death had been confirmed by Russia, and the 12 senior officer overall to be reported dead since the start of the war

reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-russian-army-corps-commander-is-killed-ukraine-2023-12-04/

Makes for a shorter list of wanted war criminals once the war is over.

When did I say I was pro Russia morons? I am and always was pro Ukraine. Because I responded to a comment stating that Poland is pro german or pro usa why not also pro russians since they always need puppet masters has nothing to do with being pro russian i simply asked when are they going back to the way things were since they support russia with the trucker strikes or blocade only with other countries that are pro rusian including SLovakia and Hungary and not Romania or Baltics or other countries touching Ukraine morons. Also, look up masha babko on youtube or wykop if you read Polish. Why cant polish 13-16 yr olds behave this way?

The US had zero obligation to assist Ukraine at any point, yet has been training Ukraine soldiers since 2014. A hundred billion dollars provided is no small level of assistance. The EU has had many months to prepare for the US to stop or lower its support and has done nothing.

Turkey in the EU is about as sensible as Afghanistan as the 51'st state in the USA. No muslim nation should ever be trusted or be a part of the EU. They now have a huge military supplied by the US and if they leave, the EU can blame no one but themselves. Maybe OPEC will invite Ireland to join because that makes as much sense.

mafkeis you said because Poland is not run by psychotic pedophiles, explain the obsession with being against hephephilia or f@king 16 yr olds that are legal then in Poland and the chicks being more parnaoid of older men than even in the west? why dont they do oldje **** like hunbgarian chec or russian 18-22 yr olds do at least? f@k poland.

Also to the moron above, Poland didnt do much for Ukraine. it was overblown. I saw the statistics as someone psoted on LinkedIn and the overall contributions came mostly from Germany even the refugee contributions were overblown because dumb Pol-ks like to pet themsleveson the back and the itnernaitonal emdia fed into them being supposedly so neighbourly and good to Ukrainians which they never were.

I mean it makes no sense poland is so similar to russia as a westewrner coming back here in all ways but sex and young girls being open to older men like there. Paulina can you epxlain it to me why Poland is not like russia in this regard but in other regards I dont care about like its crappy educaiton ssytem here and health care and day dirnking?

It makes no sense RUssia was always the nbumber one contirbutor to the world in illegal **** for example and to this day masha babko cases spring up from russia. WHy has poland never gotten into this sort of actuivity or anyone in poland even before the eu i never heard of it and even with chicks over the age of consent but below 18 when it wa slegal in poland before the eu told poland to change **** laws to make it 18?

lol I wonder why someone made a masha babko profile on the polish dating site:
sympatia.onet.pl/user/AniaPaw

WHat is up with this? WHy are Polish dating sites filled with scam profiles or pics taken form other people and why cant thet make even a dating website on their own funciton or work properly without us or foreign investment or help? They cant even make a product on their own work here?

And us too, however we were sensible to reduce that a few years ago.

Paulina whats ur opinion of masha babko?

wykop.pl/wpis/64495689/ciekawe-za-kim-teraz-jest-syberyjska-myszka-ʖ-ʖ-

why cant polish chicks even 16 give a guy my age or 38 a chance when in russia its normal for even 13 yr olds to give men in their 50s like that sergei dude a chance?

lol they even mention Wolyn:
tvpworld.com/74166618/can-polish-ukrainian-relations-weather-this-storm

"Ukraine signed Association Agreement with EU which already allowed certain mutual markets access (going both ways, btw) including grain long before the invasion started. Poland as EU member must comply with EU agreements and regulations. You guys think somehow that you should comply only selectively, hence the problem. Your own gov't signed a special deal with EU for a transitional period of 6 months to implement compensatory mechanisms, and Ukraine agreed - even though it was in the right. It did - learn the history of this issue. What hsppens next? Your ruling party decodes it needs to play an anti-Ukrainian card to draw votes from nationalists and renegs on that agreement. You are still in violation of EU agreements.

The truckers permits issue is outside Association Agreement, true, but it was introduced by EU in 2022 as a special measure and as such is still in force. If you are unhappy, complain to EU and find a tri-lateral solution. But denying about the only remaining access to the world to a country at war is as unsightly as it gets."

More:

"Cutting off aid to a country under siege and at war,
With the same enemy you suffered under too,
Is an utter moral and ethical failure.
Poland you are so much better than that."

"

I swear, I'm not posting this with any intention to troll anyone. Just an honest observation from someone who's been watching this for as long as any of you...

It seems as though the entire world - English language mainstream news outlets, Twitter, Ukrainian media, assorted Telegram channels - have realized in the past 48 hrs that Ukraine is in dire straits.

Frankly, it's a little eerie. Almost makes me think I'm immersed in some world of bots, because with normal human communities consensus never solidifies so rapidly.

However, if these are actually the organic sentiments of real people - then I have a few theories about how we got here. My main one is this:

1) People tended to exaggerate how much we knew about the war from videos on social media and didn't honestly acknowledge uncertainty.

However, nearly as important, has been how:

2) The fact that Ukraine systematically overinflated expectations. Instead of conditioning their allies to prepare for the long haul, and without any prodding from anyone whatsoever, Kiev kept insisting this thing can have a rapid denouement.

Of slightly lesser importance, also this:

3) Everyone and their mother (well, not everyone), made the wrong conclusions from how Kharkov and Kherson were retaken last Fall. Further back in time, nearly everyone misunderstood the retreat from Kiev and Sumy, for what it was.

Bottom line: don't try forming an accurate analysis of a complex conflict based on a trickle of social media content heavily manipulated by both sides.

Oddly enough, that's the exact Glavset troll script in today's Daily Telegraph.


Most intelligent people don't.

In general, debating morons raised on 30-second headlines and two-paragraph posts is painful. Add to this women and pussified men and you are arguing with feelings, not facts.


I swear, I am posting here to troll the a-holes I despise. This gives this forum a good-cop-bad-cop balance. You are the good cop.

Who is us and we? Poland, UK, or LGBT "community"?

@Bobko
I have been saying this for months. Maybe Bidens handlers sent out a memo that they can water down the truth and get it out to the masses this week. This way, when congress tells him no more funding until the border is closed, and he refuses again, no one will be surprised at the outcome in Ukraine. Speaking of the Bidens and Ukraine, I was told there is a new investment fund being set up by Hunter Biden in Kiev. Allegedly it is a crypto currency scheme designed with coins that have a redemtion value set by cocaine dealers and prostitues. I am sure it will go over very well.

In other news, a Ukraine "Marine" is now reporting that the Ukraine soldiers on the other side of the Dnipro are defending it and they cannot swim. BBC reporting.