Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

Now, children, Granpa Novi will teach you the meaning of "lopsided"...

Lopsided: when the US takes all the risks for zero benefits.

Also, the meaning and usage of "I don't give a fvck". Here is a good example: I don't give a fvck if Russia takes the Baltics. They had them before and the US managed just fine.

Let me know if you have any questions...


A throwaway meaningless garbage with bad spelling for extra gravitas.

So the EU Is opening accession negotiations with our friends and neighbors in Ukraine. Moldova too - a reward for patient reforms and commitment to democracy and the free market.

A ton of EU cash on the way to help the Ukies

Orban abstained rather than veto. I don't know if his check from Putler will clear, but as I said yesterday, he has overplayed his hand and can now be sidelined.

There you go...good boys...Now delete DC from your speed dial...

Provide link to official text of those standards, please.

well i'll delete novi from my speed dial, ure be dead soon u soviet traitor.

Maf has his moments...spoiled by this kind of ... I am not sure what to call it...Mental noise?

@cms neuf
He abstained because the EU sent him 10 billion Euro it was holding back. Thats enough to buy an abstention.

Back in the US cess pool of blue haired freaks for one hour and I already miss conservative Poland. Thankfully most of the socialists cant afford sky club membership. Might be in Chicago next month for a few days, cant wait to see how things have gotten there since my last visit.

I guess the Polaks are in the outer burbs these days?

If not in cash then in kind,gave him a brand new smart wheel chair bought with American money lol.

Not worth it...

You are a troubled young man - this much can be said for certain.

Relax a little. Go outside for a walk. Go see a movie.

I will give you a ride if you are open to the idea. You pay for lunch at Jolly Inn.

@Novichok
There is a good Polish place near Wood Dale. I will ask the name of it. I will be there with family. But sure, I am up for it.

Anyone else finding it strange that the EU approves talks with Ukraine and Moldova? When both countries are in dispute with Russia, this strikes me as either very bold or very stupid. Wouldnt the EU be obligated to go to war, with boots on the ground for these countries? Why TF would Poland do that for Moldova? WTF does Moldova bring to the table other than strong organized crime, hookers and decent cheap wine?

No, it's not a military alliance.

The EU does have a mutual defense clause.

Which is not binding and shouldn't exist.

It is solely an economic body concerning trade between independent countries, not a military alliance or a superstate.

@jon357
That is non binding, but the US has to be bound to Article 5? Interesting how that works. Wouldnt it be interesting to see what all of the EU would do? The EU is not just an economic body. It is a political body, and military body. They have made it so simply by how they have jointly handled the war. Even the political pressure applied to Germany in the early days shows this is not just an economic block.

Article 5 is NATO and afreest all members. The EU as an economic organisation does not have that, however much they may overstep their mark. NATO is not the EU and the EU is not NATO.

Should r*SSia attack a NATO member state, who subsequently trigger Article 5, that is a different matter.

It is though. It just leaves open the kind of assistance each country is expected to supply. Which also counts for article 5 of NATO btw. Though given the political nature of the EU and the close ties between the countries, if a member state gets invaded the other member states would find it extremely difficult to not react accordingly.


Currently a bit of everything, in time hopefully everything. Given that the future of the USA in NATO is highly in doubt, and with it the future of NATO itself, I' d guess the chances of it becoming a full military alliance within the next 10 years is pretty high.

On a side note. Even if you disagree about the Eus future, could you perhaps stop using the nonsensical Brexit talking point of the EU "being purely economical". This is simply not true as a matter of historical fact. The EU from its' inception in the 1950s was always political and intented as such.

Article 5 'binds' member states to take such actions to assist the country who trigger it as they deem necessary.

"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area"


Or pretty low, given the circumstances.

@jon357


Which as cynics have pointed out, could also just mean a telegram expressing your sympathies.


A pretty big part will depend on how the USA acts from now on. If they stop their support for Ukraine and or Trump gets elected, then we in Europe might not have another choice.

I must admitt, I followed prof tim leary's advice. after that gaza jew sh*t happened. it was just a bit too much
turn off, tune out, drop out.
youtube.com/watch?v=5WlCdiU9IzA

Could. However the balance of probabilities suggests otherwise.


That depends on how far they fall.


The support for Ukraine will go through (though they've certainly dragged their heels) and should trumpet get elected, one fortunate th8ng about their system is that it's only for 4 years. Plus of course, they're a democracy and the house and senate mitigate the effects of an unpredictable preident.

Or how far they decide to lift their own citizens up. Once again, American citizens come first, this is the same as Polish citizens come first in Poland. The problem is, the US has until now ignored its own people, and instead let radical POS leftist socialists infect young minds. Now, that tide is turning, and the freeloaders around the world will not have the American World Police Force, and they will have to defend themselves. If and when the US wants to help in its terms, it will.

Aid for Ukraine will not go through withoutillegal immigration being addressed. No new money from Congress since August. And once they go on break, the best Ukraine can hope for is a Christmas card, and a note saying we will get back to you mid January.

agree aaa+++. till the globalists and the eu imperilalists will deny it and belittle you.watch now how the edifice falls apart in the next five years. OMFG, I can't have my mexican pool boy cleaning my Cali House? (with benefits)

As u said. the whole point of nation-states. In this case Americans come first.

A weird statement.


I don't see a republican landslide; if anything, there was a strong shift to democrat in their presidential election and otherwise there seems to be a 50-50 split.

Hard to know what you mean by 'freeloaders', unless you're referring to Germany's woeful underspending on defence which is in part mitigated by their defence production and sales.

I was pleased to hear about the new generation of fighter jets though, a joint deal between Japan and the U.K., to be produced in the U.K. NATO member states will doubtless be the main customers however if they prove to be as good as expected, their should be worldwide sales.


I'm surprised they don't do something about that.

Nevertheless, the funding will go through.

Who knows russia and what it wants better, you or Poland?

It won't till Senile Biden and space head on something good Karmala listen to their advisors and compromise with the repubs about the border. that sh*t is outta control.

That's how things work in a parliamentary system. Some of them don't quite get it there though, and that is to their detriment.

Congress went on vacation for 3 weeks. Biden has failed, again. He will never be re elected 80% of the country thinks he doing a horrible job and hates him or thinks he too old. Not to mention he is 100% corrupt!