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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8



Lenka
13 Dec 2023  #1021

Poles and Russians are very unlikely to be willing to fight against each other.

Willing or not it didn't stop Russia before

Bobko
13 Dec 2023  #1022

Also did not stop Poles.

At least our wars were not such naked attempts at erasing the other. For God's sake - you tried to make us Catholics. You put your king's retarded son as our tsar - hahaha.

We just didn't want the Prussians and Austrians to take too much. Later, we just wanted to be reunited.

PolAmKrakow
13 Dec 2023  #1023

@jon357
Please explain to me where you are an expert in business or economics. See when ZUS, unlike Social Security in the US, has the majority of payment coming from the Employer, it contributes to inflation, unemployment, and illegal payments under the table. But of course people who are socialists dont think that the person employing people is just as important as the employees. That why, since PiS enacted all the escalations in ZUS and new taxes, that there are record numbers of companies going out of business. When you want to hire someone for 10K per month and it ends up costsing you over 14K, you have a real fvcking problem. When costs including labor require pricing that the market cannot bear, then you have business closures, or lower employment rates. Maybe you need to go to Russia to experience all that the socialist lifestyle has brought them. Thanks for the spelling correction.

And now Biden and the Democrat idiots are finally realizing they cannot get aid for Ukraine without giving in to what US citizens want. Deportation of illegal immigrants is now on the table. And that will end Bidens re-election hopes on immigrants being able to vote illegaly. Finally, a smart decision might be at hand to aid Ukraine and give the US people what they want.

Bobko
13 Dec 2023  #1024

hopes on immigrants being able to vote illegaly.

I really don't get this.

I can't imagine why on Earth an illegal would show up at a polling station.

Don't get me wrong - it's really easy. When I go to the DMV to get my license renewed (have to do it every couple years, because the expiration matches my visa), along with the questions about organ donation there's always a little box to check if want to register to vote. Now I know it's not legal for me to vote, so I just leave it blank.

Then, despite everybody knowing I'm on a visa - I keep getting jury summons. These I also ignore, but always wonder if I'm gonna run into some trouble down the line.

But the point is - it would never occur to me to go to vote illegally - even if I was filled with some evil desire to subvert the American electoral process. What if I get caught? What if some of my documents don't check out? The risk-reward to going to vote instead of sitting at home and watching football is insane.

Where are these millions of insane people that willingly jeopardize their immigration status?

Novichok
13 Dec 2023  #1025

Deportation of illegal immigrants is now on the table.

...where it will remain forever...Dems will slow-walk any agreement or just ignore it. Remember Reagan and the amnesty for 3 million illegals for the wall?

Just curious...Did you see any evidence that the faggot reads your posts?

that willingly jeopardize their immigration status?

They broke the law by crossing the border. What's another law?

PolAmKrakow
13 Dec 2023  #1026

@Bobko
True story. I have had clients, Canadians working in the USA get their license in their State of residence and vote. In most states, if the state combines licens, or ID issuance with voter registration, an illegal can vote and not be charged with a crime. Because the state initiates the process, the illegal may or may not even be aware its not legal for him or her to vote. This is why Democrats want to issue license and ID to everyone. This gives them some legal status in the state they reside in. Making it harder to deport them and keep them from voting.

@Novichok
Whether the fag reads my comments or not does not concern me. When people think they run $hit or can just say wtf they want, because they think they are superior, it is worth a few minutes just to comment and let them know they are not $hit. Either way I dont GAF. Off to Michigan in the morning maybe JR is still alive up there.

Lenka
13 Dec 2023  #1027

At least our wars were not such naked attempts at erasing the other.

Really? Because you managed to be a part to erasing Poland from the map and not only once.

Later, we just wanted to be reunited

What a nice euphemism for ' I want your land so I will pretend it's really mine'.

Bobko
13 Dec 2023  #1028

I want your land so I will pretend it's really mine'

If I want your land - it means I want to move in there, and make myself at home. Has Russia ever sent millions of settlers to live in Poland?

No.

What Russia did was grant Poland the most liberal constitution in Europe (which competes with Finland's for this title - surprise, also granted by Russia) and the right to constantly moan and complain, which we denied even to our citizens. We "punished" Poland so hard, that Warsaw was the third city in the Empire after Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Nobody wants your land.

Paulina
13 Dec 2023  #1029

What Russia did was grant Poland the most liberal constitution in Europe

On paper - in theory. The practice was such though that it led to an uprising in 1830:

polskieradio.pl/39/156/artykul/1463068,krolestwo-kongresowe-polpolska-pod-carskim-berlem

the right to constantly moan and complain, which we denied even to our citizens. We "punished" Poland so hard

You really have the nerve:

historia.org.pl/2022/04/03/obrona-i-rzez-pragi-1794-awanse-i-medale-dla-rosjan-za-hekatombe-warszawskich-cywilow/

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polscy_zes%C5%82a%C5%84cy_w_Imperium_Rosyjskim

Nobody wants your land.

Well, RuSSia claimed it won't invade Ukraine before February 24, 2022. And look what happened.

Bobko
13 Dec 2023  #1030

You really have the nerve:

A little ahistorical in relation to the Constitution.

Canadians working in the USA get their license in their State of residence and vote

You see - it's f*ckin Canadians. Not Guatemalans or Hondurans.

I can actually see Canadians going to vote illegally, because they are so outraged by American barbarous politics. Canadians are trolls.

Some single mom from El Salvador is not gonna vote for trolling's sake.

Paulina
13 Dec 2023  #1031

A little ahistorical in relation to the Constitution.

I see you're like Novichok and you'd like to pick your dates as it is convenient for you. Sorry, but the RuSSian partition of Poland didn't start since the introduction of Alexander I's constitution (and he died already in 1825 anyway).

Also, did you check that second link? 1721-1917. Nothing "ahistorical" about it.

mafketis
13 Dec 2023  #1032

Another day, another russian war crime.... now there are reports that they're using pows as human shields.....

the russtards will explain it away and/or complain about Zelensky.....

twitter.com/United24media/status/1735022081903899088

Lenka
13 Dec 2023  #1033

What Russia did was

Well that you very much. Can you please take it and stick it where the sun doesn't shine...

Novichok
13 Dec 2023  #1034

Has Russia ever sent millions of settlers to live in Poland?

No, but Poland did when was gifted a big chunk of Germany. To the best of my knowledge, nobody in Warsaw is talking about giving it back.

Can you please take it and stick it where the sun doesn't shine...

Learn English. ...where the sun don't shine...

Paulina
13 Dec 2023  #1035

No, but Poland did when was gifted a big chunk of Germany.

Those Polish "settlers" were people thrown out by the Soviet Union from the Eastern lands taken away by the Soviet Union from Poland, you a$$hole:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wysiedlenie_Polak%C3%B3w_z_Kres%C3%B3w_Wschodnich_1944%E2%80%931946

Novichok
13 Dec 2023  #1036

Those Polish "settlers" were people thrown out by the Soviet Union from the Eastern lands

Stolen property is stolen property no matter who was the guy who handed it to you.
BTW, you forgot the US, GB, and France. They were on this swindle, too.

Paulina
13 Dec 2023  #1037

Stolen property is stolen property

That land wasn't "stolen", but was a "compensation" for Germany invading Poland, remember?

Btw, check out what a great "gift" those lands were after the war:

polskieradio.pl/13/53/artykul/3027622,ziemie-odzyskane-w-1945-roku-polska-przejela-pustynie

Tacitus
13 Dec 2023  #1038

And now Russia is producing more and more of such places. Mariinka has been recently taken by the invaders, with none of its' buildings left intact.

Novichok
13 Dec 2023  #1039

That land wasn't "stolen", but was a "compensation" for Germany invading Poland, remember?

OK, let's play this game...I have time...
Stolen, taken by force, ripped out, snatched, removed,

So now that we agree on "compensation" by force is OK - instead of through the courts - Russia decided to compensate itself for the insult its brothers and sisters took from Kiev.

The donor country, Ukraine, declined to negotiate what the compensation should be and left it to Russia to decide. And that's where we are now...

Mariinka has been recently taken by the invaders, with none of its' buildings left intact.

With China's help, they will be able to restore things in three days are less. In fact, it's good for old cities to be killed. See Warsaw vs Praga.

Paulina
13 Dec 2023  #1040

So now that we agree on "compensation" by force in OK - instead of through the courts - Russia decided to compensate itself for the insult its brothers and sisters took from Kiev.

I didn't say it's OK, or rather, that it's always OK.
I think there are very few, very rare instances in which such "compensation" can be viewed as "OK". Considering what horrific things Germany did to Poland - those lands are a modest compensation for that, I would say.

RuSSia, on the other hand, has nothing to be compensated for, you human scum. Ukraine didn't invade RuSSia and didn't kill millions of RuSSia's citizens.

it's good for old cities to be killed.

For people too, you twisted moron? I guess it's a pity the Nazis didn't kill you during the Warsaw Uprising. They would do the world a favour :)

Velund
14 Dec 2023  #1041

Considering what horrific things Germany did to Poland

Now calculate amount of "compensation" that jews already owed to Palestinian Arabs after horrific things Israel did to Gaza. I suspect that soon mentioning so called "holocaust" will be dangerous almost everywhere.

Novichok
14 Dec 2023  #1042

RuSSia, on the other hand, has nothing to be compensated for, you human scum.

Russia doesn't share your opinion and, in this game, their opinion is the only one that counts. Ukraine must have really pis*ed Russia off bad. And the insult of not showing up for that guys' night out in April 2022...This is worth at least Donbas...

I wonder what motivated Poland to attack Iraq. I mean if Poland had a reason to attack Iraq, Russia had 10 times the reasons to get upset with Z.

Paulina
14 Dec 2023  #1043

their opinion is the only one that counts.

Nope.

Ukraine must have really pis*ed Russia off bad.

Sure, just like Jews and Poland must have really pis*ed Hitler off bad. But somehow in the end his opinion turned out to be not the only one that counted.

I mean if Poland had a reason to attack Iraq, Russia had 10 times the reasons to get upset with Z.

The reason wasn't good enough both in case of Poland and RuSSia.

Velund
14 Dec 2023  #1044

And another translation from ukrainian lawyer and blogger Tatyana Montyan channel (moved to right thread)...

Russian original - (t.me/montyan2/6983)

New lure of overseas cannibals 😨

"And as I said before, if you think the price of supporting Ukraine is high now, think about how much national treasury and American blood will be spent on it if we have to start acting on our Article Five obligations: an attack on one NATO member means an attack on all member countries of the Alliance?"

This is the new thesis, voiced by White House Speaker John #Kirby, that the Biden administration has begun to promote to domestic audiences and the general Western public.

If Putin wins in Ukraine, he will definitely attack Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which means that it will be American soldiers, not Ukrainian soldiers, who will have to shed blood. You don't want to go to war yourself - accept inflation, falling living standards and be happy that you can buy off war with horrible Russia with some measly couple hundred billion dollars and euros. 🤡

But the Republicans, and the Western average person in general, don't believe this version much. They can't understand why Putin would want to invade Sprаtreichs [three Baltic embarrassments]? And here it is worth taking a closer look at the movements of Estonia, which is going to inspect Russian merchant ships and restrict navigation, and Lithuania, which regularly threatens to blockade the Kaliningrad region. As the experience of the Saloreich [Ukraine] shows, poking the bear with a stick has its limit. Although the bear has shown that it is ready to tolerate for a very long time, but still it can be forced into a fight. And what will the US do in such a case? Will they actually go to war themselves, or will they send the ones that aren't so worth pitying to the slaughter first? For example, the Poles, of which there are over 40 million and who are now very actively arming themselves at their own expense. 🤔

Anyway, if the neocons and soros mob hold on to power, we're not going to be at peace for the foreseeable future.


Crnogorac3
14 Dec 2023  #1045

Low Morale Brings Losses To Ukrainian Military (Video)

s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/video/12.12.2023_IMR_Ukraine.mp4

amiga500
14 Dec 2023  #1046

Low Morale Brings Losses To Ukrainian Military (Video)

Lyin' in a den in Bombay
With a slack jaw, and not much to say
I said to the man, "Are you trying to tempt me?
Because I come from the land of plenty"
And he said

youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s

Novichok
14 Dec 2023  #1047

...an attack on one NATO member means an attack on all member countries of the Alliance?"

This exposes the idiocy of NATO: a limited border conflict can escalate into the mother of all wars.

The current one revealed how good idiots can destroy a nation and watch from a safe distance the death of 500,000 men the good idiots - the would be the US an Poland - are supposed to protect. The US by dumping billions it didn't have and Poland by depopulating Ukraine of women and kids thus relieving Russia of the Gaza quandary: to kill the enemy we have to kill civilians. A PR nightmare...

Poland, stupidly, helped Russia with that headache, because, as Torq has so brilliantly observed, Poland starts where logic ends. In Poland's defense, this BS is international. The West is in a collective suicide mode because it acts on feelings after banning "unsustainable" as coldhearted from policy conversations.

Bottom line: Bakhmut is like 1945 Dresden because Poland ignored the unintended consequences of acting on feelings.

Kiev, on the other hand, is in better shape than Detroit. i wonder why...

Low Morale Brings Losses To Ukrainian Military

I would have very low morale knowing that my side lost 500,000 men for sh*it.

Paulina
14 Dec 2023  #1048

This exposes the idiocy of NATO: a limited border conflict can escalate into the mother of all wars.

That's a great deterrent :) This shows the genius of NATO (copied by RuSSia in its military alliance, btw) :)))

Poland by depopulating Ukraine of women and kids

RuSSia is doing that, not Poland.

The West is in a collective suicide mode because it acts on feelings

Strange, because it looks like it's RuSSia acting on feelings in some kind of suicide mode - invades Ukraine, because it's allegedly "scared" of potential future NATO attack (according to you) and doesn't feel respected enough (according to Bobko) :)))))

I would have very low morale knowing that my side lost 500,000 men for sh*it.

RuSSians must have very low morale then :)

mafketis
14 Dec 2023  #1049

RuSSia is doing that, not Poland.

russtards are incapable of holding russia to any standards of behavior....

Bobko
14 Dec 2023  #1050

@mafketis

Who do you write these messages for? Genuinely, curious.

Did Zelensky pay you?


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