Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

To speak about any polish government as effective is utterly nonsensical. Yes, the ukrainians peasants were extremely grateful to such figures like Bronisław Pieracki :))))

@ConstantineK
In total, the U.S. deliveries to the USSR through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials (equivalent to $143 billion in 2022):[55] over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[56] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);[57] 11,400 aircraft (of which 4,719 were Bell P-39 Airacobras, 3,414 were Douglas A-20 Havocs and 2,397 were Bell P-63 Kingcobras)[58] and 1.75 million tons of food.[59] Wikipedia doesnt support your claims. If not for the US, your country would still be flying a different flag.

The last time the US was fully committed to any war was WW2. Everything else was not nearly a full commitment. As for logistics, there is over 150K US soldiers in Europe already. It will take three weeks maximum for the rest to be deployed. Russia would once again be stealing washing machines from bombed out houses.

Bad example. Right seriously bad.

Pieracki was relatively pro-Ukrainian. Yes, he was Polish nationalist who didn't see Ukrainians as nation equal to Poles or deserving independence. But within the context of interwar Poland this meant he supported some form of arrangement with the Ukrainian minority in Poland. Ukrainian schools, Ukrainian university, even including possible autonomy.

His assassination was a deliberate move by OUN to gut the "conciliatory faction" in the Polish government and give political fuel to Polish hardliners. Why? Because OUN calculated that Polish conciliation is far more dangerous to them as organisation. The assassination was good for organisation, bad for Ukrainians.

Please do not present Wikipedia as your reference source. It is mauvais ton.


Say nothing about their commitments in ww2. This question is very controversial. In europe it was only in 1944 when the war was almost at its end. And even then their actions were far from efficient.

As for the Pacific, americans literally begged Stalin during Yalta conference to step in. Only after defeat in Manchuria Japs agreed for unconditional surrender. Jap had plans to evacuate Empire to Korea and continue fighting their - plan "jade vase broken". Soviet Army thwarted these plans by defeating Quantung Army in few days.

Anyway, do you have some other examples when the USA won their wars in 20-21 cent.?

I do not know how much pro-ukrainiant he really was. It is widely accepted that Poland aimed complete polonisation of the ukrainians at the end if the game. And it differs starkly from Soviet policy of Korenization when even Russian population was forced to speak Ukrainians and learn this ugly language...

...which bordered on or was criminal. The a-holes who gave US pilots the list of off-limits targets in Vietnam should be tried and executed with extreme cruelty - the president included if he was part of this criminal act.

No man should be sent to a war without full commitment to win it as fast as humanly possible. This is why I am shocked by the way this one drags on.

But the US has never had massive destruction of its own infrastructure during any of its wars, thanks to geographical conditions. Now imagine that most of production chains is broken due to physical destruction of key factories and heavy loss of trained personnel. You may mobilise US population into a guerilla fighters with their own weapons - but nobody comes to fight with them... Just strikes to infrastructure and factories time to time, as soon as intelligence gets new data, to keep military mass production capabilities close to zero.

All this talk about economic life in the PRL reminded me of a chart, which reliably causes Ukrainian dupas to explode.

Poland went from being half the size of Ukraine, to 4X the size.

Another random number, is that Poland had a population of 35.1 million inhabitants in 1939, but the census of 14 February 1946 showed only 23.9 million inhabitants. That is, a reduction of around 33%.

On Feb. 1, 2022 - Ukraine supposedly had a population of 41.1M (including LDNR, but not including Crimea). This January, the Ukrainian National Institute of Demographics assessed the size of the population as between 28M and 34M. Basically - roughly the same size population reduction as suffered by Poland during WW2.

Ukraine has an economy 4X smaller than Poland's, and the same size of population as Poland had in 1939.

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Let us all remember that polish economy is nothing without EU's support. It will collapse the next day after EU stops pouring money.

This is no longer true. Poland sells products to European Union countries worth much more than russia has ever sold. EU subsidies are just the icing on the cake.

Really? I dont think so....anyway, there is a huge crisis ahead for Poland because EU's market is rapidly shrinking.

A little bit of an exaggeration, but it's forgivable ;)

I just checked, and Poland does have very impressive export numbers. Poland exported $432B worth of goods in 2022, which placed it as the 24th largest exporter in the world. Russia exported $636B, placing it as 17th in the world.

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@ConstantineK
These Wiki facts are just that, public factual information. Russia would be flying the swastika now if not for the US, and so would Europe. Japan really Fvcked up WW2 for Germany and Italy. Imagine no Pearl Harbor and the life that would have been in Europe and Russia. Then STFU about Russia being special in that war, because the only special thing they did, was die well until the US bailed them out.

@Novichok
Agreed on US fvcking up other small wars. They should have destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan and killed all the jihaists. Bomb them to oblivion was what I said and still say now. That scum only breeds more scum.

@Velund
Youre funny. Going after the US on its own soil is going to be as successful as disarming Texas would be. The second most dangerous army in the world is the United States citizens who have more guns than the Russian army can make in the next ten years. You have no clue how mobilized US private militias can be. The Michigan Militia alone is a private army, not to mention all the other underground groups. Let some people start something in the US and you will be finding bodies in shallow graves and hanging from tree's. The response to Pearl Harbor would be nothing compared to the response of citizens if sabotage groups were operating on US soil.

In general, but not to the European Union

Probably your capability of understand what you just read is a bit exaggregated. Not a single soldier will step to a soil of United States. Just a bunch of hypersonic maneuvring warheads with relatively low yield nukes will hit some specific targets. US peasants can continue to fcuk their sheeps, nobody will meddle. III% can continue marching and make horrible faces.

Take a parts list for a F35 and imagine that assembly facilities and manufacturers of 5% of critical irreplaceable components just cease to exist. You have 100-200-300 flight hours remaining on existing planes before scheduled servicing and some spares that will not last long.

Imagine that a single 50 kT arrive to some large buildings complex in Chandler, AZ, and figure out US chips manufacturing capacities after that.

@Velund
You're either delusional or retarded. One little nuke and all US nukes go flying. Russia has nothing on the US military. 400 million legal guns owned in the US, plus about 50 million more illegal, and who knows how many ghost guns. Russia? 30 million in the military. Your country is pathetic, and your claims make you look stupid.

Read nuclear doctrine of Russia and you will know all the cases in which Russian Army may use nukes. Attack with nuclear weapons is just one of few quite reasonable cases.

Maybe you will have new thoughts about so much loved "overwhelming attack" idea, for which a number of bases around Russian borders is built.

Well, Grunni, that only reminds me of the old Russian folk proverb: биеднему завсзе виатр в оцзы и хуи в дупе.

Or was it a Polish proverb? I don't remember at the moment.

Wigilia at my Mum's was great but I'm a bit tired now. Have to lay down. Goodnight, rebyata.

Read an article in Foreign Affairs recently, where the "Principal Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Russia and Eurasia at the National Intelligence Council from 2018 to 2022" says Russia is more likely to use nukes against a NATO country than Ukraine.

Pretty scary thing, to read from a guy like him (basically thinking about this was his job).

He thinks that the NATO logistical hub in Poland might be the most likely target.

What's even more crazy, is that he thinks America would respond by nuking... Belarus!

F*ckin wild.

Source: foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/real-russian-nuclear-threat

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@Velund
We all know the Russian doctrine. Bla bla bla No one is afraid of Russia in a nuclear war. Everyone dies if Russia sends one nuke. Its just that simple. How many nukes in the EU or GB under the control of NATO would hit Russia before the American nukes arrive to wipe out the rest of the country? Really man, stop with the stupid bull$hit.

In the spirit of the day, I will say again that the US and Russia should be friends.
I know it's so simplistic that it sounds naive but, as hard as I am trying, I can't for the fvck of it find one damn reason why we should be enemies - including here.

Bobko, may be you can do something to put a inter-ear ganglion of a patient 2 msg above to work? ;)


Rich, we have is no chances to be friends while "gray cardinals" of US have MICC as one of main family income sources. ;)

I knew you would say that and that's why I hate these motherfvckers. And that's why I always remind my PF enemies that there are at least two Americas and that conflating the two is moronic. What is good for America A is destroying America B.

Polamkeskow rhe only one retarded here is you you half pollack half American peasant.

tell this guy that whatever your name is moron or polamI as hes american unlike you or a full bred unlike you, so you can tell him how many guys americans have:

niggasin.space/thread/85692

Mar'inka fell !!!

It is Russian city now !!!

Or more precisely, a Ukrainian city under russian occupation.

You point of view depends on where you sit. Russian !

Any links? Nothing about it on Polish internet.

@ConstantineK

Oh, sorry... I was checking the latest news. There was something two weeks ago...

wiadomosci.wp.pl/marijinka-upadla-rosyjska-flaga-powiewa-na-zachodnich-obrzezach-6972369579317792a

... geez, Kostya, I thought you were shouting some brand new information. My mistake :)

So, what is the mighty Russian army planning to do now that it has taken the 9000 people (there is a village near Gdańsk that has 7000 people xD) metropolis?