Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

Quote of the day:

Putin holds elections during the war and wins 88% of the vote... the West call it "dictatorship".

Zelensky cancels elections and blames the war... the West call it "democracy".

Hey, Russia-hating morons, how is Putin a "dictator" and Biden is not?

We get it. You want Biden to act more like putain.....

If Biden threw your @ss in jail for criticizing him and eliminated all the other candidates and then faked the results that would make him more like putain and you'd like him more, right?

Maybe if he invaded Quebec?

Or are you just a dumb hypocrite?

Please stop this folly Bobko, I see you have honorable intentions and looking for ways for Poles and Russians to tighten and get closer as a people.

Do understand however that this would only deepen the internal Polish-Polish war.

The grudge of one side proclaiming title of president of Russia while also being Prime minister of Poland could only lead to civil war or loss of Prime ministers held office in Poland.

There is a very specific reason why electing foreign rulers in the past in Poland worked well for everyone, that way, no side in Polish politics was unable to gloat too much or show power on his own. Poles have a natural tendency to despise and fight against tyranny. Just as Russians have a strong dislike for Charlatans and multiple tyrants

You should approach it more like with how it was with: "Chopin, Marie Skłodowska-Curie and Copernicus."

Having a foreign born person, who had little to do with both Russia and Poland, yet could be claimed by Poles if Poles really wanted to. Without any push about it from Russia's side. Could work I guess

No he doesn't. His whole shtick is a friendly mask over very bad intentions. He may fool some here but not me.

@mafketis
I see him more as naive and clueless about certain things, while you expect the worst.

I see many other people with "friendly masks" hiding very bad intentions, most often their own personal interest. Sometimes their interest is the destruction of the world.

I would like to add that I see most Russians as rather clumsy and destroying things without the intent of doing so. Sometimes lashing out in rage without thought, unfortunately Poland has experienced it at the end of the stick many times.

There are many other posters to willify on these forums. If you truly care about such matters

How has looking down on russians as good natured simple folk who mess things up from being dumb worked out for Poland?

IME russians are like many muslims... . they act like adults who were abused as children and are desperate to cover up the abuse or make excuses for it and don't want their abusive parents to suffer any consequences.... I have a very low tolerance for that kind of behavior.

@mafketis
At least they can take a beating from their enemies, right? I honestly would be very surprised if most people in the west could handle similar tough situations.

Financial crisis or worse happens, it's gonna be a big disaster in the west. Resistance or toughness aren't words I would describe countries west of Vistula

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Among many other geopolitical and historical reasons I do support Ukraine because it's a democracy invaded by a dictatorship.

And the fact they postpone elections in time of war, when they'd be unable to organize them for the entirety of the population, while Russia conducts its usual ritual of electing Vladimir Putin does not change this reality.

Democracy is not defined by the regularity of elections. In UK until the Fixed-term Parliaments Act of 2011 there were no fixed terms of the House of Commons, and yet throughout the 19th and 20th century UK was one of the most democratic countries on the planet.

And due to WW2 UK didn't hold elections between 1935 and 1945. You may say - similarly to the Third Reich, and yet somehow it's not difficult to point which country was more democratic.

It's not about procedural perfection, but about the essence and meaning. Elections in DPRK won't make it a democratic state, regardless of their frequency.

So, looks like you are ready to write "Complete Dummy's guide to Democracy"? I'm eager to read it here...

Every normal country does.


And there still shouldn't be!


Spot on. Does one's voice count or not.

In the pariah gangster state that is r*SSia, it does not.

Some lovely news about the Ukrainian drones. We will hopefully be hearing about more orc losses.

Hey, Russia-hating morons, how is Putin a "dictator" and Biden is not?


He already is ... and worse. The difference: Biden destroys America. See open borders, deficits, and the risk of war with Russia.

Putin made Russia great again from it was in 1990. See Crn's post. Also: Crimea, Donbass, and Luhansk.

That's why Russians love Putin. Americans, even American Bolsheviks, feel contempt for Biden and want him out. They probably wish they could give this embarrassing moron some Novichok or polonium-210.

The short version: Putin is the Russian president. Biden is an elderly actor under adult supervision.

Abused children often have tremendous tolerance for pain when they grow up.... until they don't and they snap and kill someone.... anyone.

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⚡️A pregnant kangaroo named Grandi was killed today after Ukraine shelled the Belgorod Zoo.

😢Grundy was playing in her enclosure when shrapnel from an incoming Ukrainian shell killed her.

🇦🇺🇷🇺Grandi was sent to the Belgorod Zoo in 2019 from St. Petersburg. In 2022, she became a mother for the first time. At the time of her death she had a litter of offspring in her pouch who managed to miraculously survive.

RIP. I was hoping for a NATO nation volunteer...

Considering how russian families are... god help Poland....

So what? r*SSian orcs we're eating zoo animals in areas they invaded.

I don't see how that would change anything. We were talking about real offers last time and we both came to the conclusion that Russia is not ready to debate any real offers to Poland. it doesn't have one.

I wasn't really being serious, but the point regarding Russians' willingness to entertain non-ethnically-Russian leaders still stands.

That is, I'm fully willing to admit that I could be "naive" or "clueless" in regards to Poland - but I just wasn't being serious when talking about Tusk as president of Russia.

Just a hypothetical brain teaser to see if Poles would be willing to cast aside their historic feelings towards Russia, if a Pole were given control of the whole enterprise.


What are those intentions? Pray tell.

Well, Poland had elective kings since 1570' and most of them weren't ethnic Poles. It is not a big deal.
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Sure , but then Russians do not like it as they refused to have Zygmunt III as their rightful ruler.

For Magnates it was easier to manipulate a foreign king, than one arising from their own ranks. Having some Saxon or Hungarian king, meant less interference in their business, also.

Regarding Sigismund III, he ruined everything himself by insisting on a conversion to Catholicism.

Wikipedia:
"Sigismund's son, the Prince Wladislaw of Poland, was elected tsar by the Seven Boyars in September 1610, but Sigismund refused to allow his son to become the new tsar unless the Muscovites agreed to convert to Catholicism, with the pro-Polish boyars ending their support for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth."

Anyway, it is not realistic. Your idea.
By the way, don't ask pawian anything, he is progressive noisy and loud talking big like an idiot, but then he would run like hell on the first sound of trouble.

Meanwhile in the real war, Russia captured another front line village today. Again I ask, if not the US who TF is going to supply Ukraine?

Coz a large part of the votes cast for him were rigged, e,.g., dead people were allowed to vote. hahahaha
Coz critisizing the war costs common Russian long prison sentences.
Coz all independent thought has been supressed
etc etc


I wouldn`t comply anyway if imperial Russians asked me for sth. Ha!!!

Good move when dealing with bullshitters. Always ask for specifics.


Listen, moron,...Bobko is trying to be friendly and this is how you reciprocate, you idiot?

I am alive today because not every German was a baby killer. Some decided to keep me alive by sharing shelter and food.

Of course. You were drunk with Putin vodka. ):):)


That was very naive and silly of you to test us that way. After all, Grunwald could be right about your cluelessness although he mistook its nature. ., :):):)

Creepy. Seeing Joun agreeing with me I have distinct feeling I have done something wrong.

Asking this rhetorical question, do you expect it will be the ultimate reminder for decent posters to kneel down before the US, stop critisizing it and admit at last it is a wonderful country???? hahahaha


It is correct provided that when not seeing jon agree with you, you have a vague feeling you have done sth wrong. :):):)

That is the problem, most people don't have a problem with most Russians, it is Russia that is the problem.


Simple.Because Biden was elected in a democracy and Putin wasn't......BTW, I hate Biden almost as much as Putin.


Good point!

Democracy has nothing to do with how the top dog is elected.

Democracy is about who controls whom. When the citizens control the government, it's democracy. When it's in reverse, it's a dictatorship. The only difference between Russia and Western democracies is in harshness when you break the laws.

BTW, stupid people confuse harshness with "democracy". Any democracy can modify its constitution and the penal code to make jaywalking punishable by death. Stupid and cruel but still "democratic". Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner is "democracy".

Bottom line: Other than harshness, the UK and the US have no reason to claim that they are more democratic than Russia since in all three countries government dictates and people obey. Period. As a reminder, there are elections in all three and people are free to leave and come back.

Again, how Biden was elected means squat. What he is free to do without asking voters and Congress means everything. In this sense, he is as much of a dictator as Putin. See the border.