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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11



Paulina
2 Jun 2024  #1051

Face palm

Hit your head hard, maybe it will help (although I doubt it).

normal country

So I guess RuSSia wasn't a normal country in 2011 (Putin was in power since 1999, btw)? :):

edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/06/02/russia.child.****/index.html

"In Russia, possessing child pornography is not a crime and laws that govern child exploitation are weak. Government authorities say the majority of sexual crimes against children are never reported or investigated.

Those are among the reasons that even the Russian government admits the country is a world leader in the production of child pornography."

Bratwurst Boy
2 Jun 2024  #1052

???

Did you read the link?

Okay...here it is:

Minimum sentences will be adjusted

Sexual abuse and child pornography must be combated consistently. In the future, authorities will be able to act flexibly in individual cases - and thus focus on the serious cases. The Bundestag has passed a corresponding bill from the federal government.

The minimum penalties for distribution, acquisition and possession of child pornographic content should be adjusted. The Bundestag decided this.

The background to the project is a change in the law that took place on July 1, 2021. At that time, the offense in question was redefined and upgraded to a felony. This change should now be reversed. Because it has turned out that it is important that the law enforcement authorities and courts can act flexibly in individual cases in order to be able to treat such serious cases as a priority. The draft law is intended to give them this opportunity again.


The reason for this:

In practice, numerous cases have arisen for which the current legal regulations do not offer an appropriate solution. For example, a teacher committed a criminal offense because he forwarded child pornographic material he found in order to draw attention to a problem.

Other conceivable cases would be that someone unintentionally gains possession of child pornographic material.This is the case with an unintentional automatic download on a cell phone that was not deleted due to negligence. According to current legislation, young people could also commit a crime because they are naive, curious or want to impress others.

Such proceedings cannot simply be stopped under the current legal situation. The authorities would have to investigate this and therefore have no time to deal with the important cases. Therefore, in some cases it is better to stop the proceedings or to settle them with a penalty order.


....and here is what they "forgot" to tell you about this in Russia:

Harshness in serious acts remains

It is important that not all tightening measures should be withdrawn. The production of depictions of sexual violence against children remains a serious criminal offense . It can also result in a prison sentence of up to fifteen years. Serious crimes will continue to be punished with the necessary severity even after the planned change in the law.


I hope now everything is clear....or at least clearer than before?

Paulina
2 Jun 2024  #1053

I think this site explains it in the most clear way:

mythdetector.ge/en/has-possession-and-distribution-of-child-pornography-been-decriminalized-in-germany/

"and would also criminalize those who may have unwittingly obtained pornographic material or acted in good faith to pass the material on to law enforcement. The tougher laws in 2021 led to unintended consequences: parents, teachers, and young people became criminal offenders if they shared pornographic footage with the provision of evidence or warning of a possible crime. In addition, after the reform, criminal investigators were prohibited from stopping proceedings even in the case of minor misconduct, which also delayed the investigation of serious cases."

ConstantineK
2 Jun 2024  #1054

courts can act flexibly in individual cases

Seriously ? Dont you even notice the absurdity? Ok, it is not outright decriminalization, i agree. But you all are one-two steps from it.

Bratwurst Boy
2 Jun 2024  #1055

But you all one-two steps from it.

What would you do with people like the aforementioned teacher who organized material to inform people about it....who is all about how to recognize child abuse and what to do now about it, how to help fighting these pervs, but surely no child-abuser himself?

Not to mention with the idiot who got stuff onto his phone by some criminal hacker site without his knowledge? Yeah, he has some bad pics on his phone but he is not the criminal either!

That are these cases why that law is about to be adjusted...still a draft law by then (still has to be decided for in the parliament)...to give the police and the courts time and space for the real criminals.

What does Russia with these cases?

Novichok
2 Jun 2024  #1056

and therefore have no time to deal with the important cases.

...like offending migrant scum for calling migrant scum migrant scum.

There I just did it. I read that under German law, foreigners can be charged for offenses committed outside Germany.

Bratwurst Boy
2 Jun 2024  #1057

...like offending migrant scum for calling migrant scum migrant scum.

Yeah....one could think that way....but today I read something very interesting:
(the article is quite actual at that, from the 28th of May)

welt.de/politik/deutschland/video251732060/Umgang-mit-Sylt-Video-Das-Bundesverfassungsgericht-hat-gesagt-dass-die-Parole-Auslaender-raus-nicht-strafbar-ist.html

Google translated:

"The Federal Constitutional Court said that the slogan 'foreigners out' is not a criminal offense."

www-welt-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/video251732060/Umgang-mit-Sylt-Video-Das-Bundesverfassungsgericht-hat-gesagt-dass-die-Parole-Auslaender-raus-nicht-strafbar-ist.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

So..."migrant scum" should fall in the same category. Means I (and you of course) could say that and not be punished!!!

Paulina
2 Jun 2024  #1058

Dont you even notice the absurdity?

I'd say that criminilizing people who in good faith sent child p0rn to the police was absurd indeed, so it looks like changes in that new law were needed. I don't know if it could get resolved in a better way or not - I'm no law expert and I don't know how German law works and I suspect that you don't know that either.

So let us talk about RuSSian law :))):

It is almost the same as legalization. You cannot even discuss such things in a normal country.

Oh, so changes in RuSSian law concerning domestic violence are "almost the same as legalization" of domestic violence in RuSSia? :D

aljazeera.com/news/2017/1/27/russian-mps-back-easing-punishment-for-domestic-abuse

Tell me, ConstantineK, is domestic violence considered "a norm" in RuSSia? :D

What does Russia with these cases?

Yeah, so what is the law concerning this in RuSSia exactly?

Bratwurst Boy
2 Jun 2024  #1059

Yeah, so what is the law concerning this in RuSSia exactly?

...that would really interest me! Maybe they have found a better way?

Novichok
2 Jun 2024  #1060

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d1LISpnLQg4]

Trump: I would have this war settled in one day.

Ironside
2 Jun 2024  #1061

Maybe they have found a better way?
@ Bratwurst Boy

In Russia, it is only guidance for peasants. It all depends on who to whom with who by whom.
People on the Top are not restricted by such silly considerations as the letter of a law.

Bratwurst Boy
2 Jun 2024  #1062

Trump: I would have this war settled in one day.

...he must have some ideas already!

People on the Top are not restricted by such silly considerations as the letter of a law.

Like the top party peeps in socialist times? Yeah...sounds like it....

Ironside
2 Jun 2024  #1063

.he must have some ideas already!

It so dumb I wouldn't be repeating it if I were Trump, on the other hand, his ego likes to talk a lot.
The only feasible way to do it would be the US nuking Russia.

Bratwurst Boy
2 Jun 2024  #1064

....or "gifting" Ukraine till up to Kiev to Putin?

But he would need the Ukrainians nod for that, otherwise nothing would be settled....even if!

I would love to hear more about his ideas about how to settle that conflict in one day....

Novichok
2 Jun 2024  #1065

The only feasible way to do it would be the US nuking Russia.

If I were Trump, I would organize the first world convention of the stupid "nuke 'em" morons and make you the chairman. Then I would nuke the arena.

In the meantime, Trump can tell Z that no weapons or money will ever be coming to him and that CDL belongs to Russia. Quoting:

While I am taking a leak, you have 15 minutes to sign here, Mr. Z. We are done. If you, stupid ass, think that the US will ever go to war with Russia over your shlthole, you are more of a moron than I thought.

See you in 15...


I could be a presidential speech writer...

Alien
2 Jun 2024  #1066

If I were Trump

Good thing you're not him.

Novichok
2 Jun 2024  #1067

Do you know what FO means in English?

Ironside
2 Jun 2024  #1068

make you the chairman.

Looksie your love for Trump and your love for Russia are not compatible oh what are you going to do now? you are a plank.

Paulina
2 Jun 2024  #1069

If I were Trump, I would organize the first world convention of the stupid "nuke 'em" morons and make you the chairman. Then I would nuke the arena.

So you're against the freedom of speech? :D

Alien
2 Jun 2024  #1070

Do you know what FO means

I guess it must be some primitive expression used by primitive people. 🤔

ConstantineK
2 Jun 2024  #1071

What would you do with people like the aforementioned teacher who organized material to inform people about it....

What does Russia with these cases?

Those are just tricks of pedo who were caught. Russian legislation is very strict but their future inmates are even so.

johnny reb
2 Jun 2024  #1072

So you're against the freedom of speech?

Well Paulina, just between you and I there is a U.S Attorney (Mark Totten) for the Western District of Michigan that is focusing on "Identifying and Reporting Acts of Hate" who just announced the districts formation of a Civil Initiative, a nation wide effort by the U.S. Department of Justice to combat unlawful acts of hate.

Mr.. Totton has made civil rights and hate crimes a high priority and has successfully prosecuted several cases this year.
It will be interesting to see where Hate Speech falls into this category by using the internet to do it.
Freedom of Speech has it's limits in America.
Just saying.........

ConstantineK
2 Jun 2024  #1073

Tell me, ConstantineK, is domestic violence considered "a norm" in RuSSia? :D

He beats her meaning he loves her :))) if you, Paulina were my wife, i would definitely beat you from time to time.

Novichok
2 Jun 2024  #1074



Handshake of Torgau - Elbe Day on 25 April 1945

your love for Trump and your love for Russia are not compatible

The only thing I am not compatible with are the morons who selectively forget history.

Paulina
2 Jun 2024  #1075

He beats her meaning he loves her :)))

So that's a "yes"?

Looking at those sickening smilies of yours I've got to ask - do you beat your wife and kids? Did your father beat your mother?

if you, Paulina were my wife, i would definitely beat you from time to time.

I wouldn't expect anything different from a psycho like you.

Alien
2 Jun 2024  #1076

Handshake of Torgau

The famous bridge in Torgau... but why did the Americans withdraw later? They were so close to Poland.

ConstantineK
2 Jun 2024  #1077

do you beat your wife and kids?

Well...i am more vocal guy. But believe me you would prefer to be beaten istead of me yelling at you. I can be furious.

Paulina
2 Jun 2024  #1078

Those are just tricks of pedo who were caught. Russian legislation is very strict

So what you're saying is that someone who will send child p0rn to the police as evidence will end up in prison in RuSSia just like a peado would?

Well...i am more vocal guy.

I can imagine:

psycho

But believe me you would prefer to be beaten

I believe you're sick in the head.

ConstantineK
2 Jun 2024  #1079

wouldn't expect anything different from a psycho like you.

Just for educational purposes...

Paulina
2 Jun 2024  #1080

@ConstantineK, so, do you beat your wife and children for "educational purposes"? Was your father beating your mother because he "loved" her so much?


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